# Worshiping Satan: A question for true believers **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [June 6, 2011, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480 "2011-06-06T06:19:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2011, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/141 "2011-06-10T14:08:33Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Yes, that’s why they make tens of millions of dollars every time they tour. Something always goes wrong at their shows. You know they’ll never live down Altamonte. Hiring the **Hell’s Angels** for **security?!** ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2011, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/142 "2011-06-10T14:18:58Z")
> [@njtt](#): > > Ah yes, but he is talking about Van M **oo** rison, the bovine star, best known for the album _Moooondance_. Van M **oo** rison was clearly a tool of the devil. He even had horns! 😃 Well played. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2011, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/143 "2011-06-10T14:46:15Z")
> [@CurtC](#): > > But he didn’t just type “Van” instead of “Jim.” He wouldn’t have brought up Brown Eyed Girl (which is not about heroin) if he had been thinking Jim. And Van Morrison seems to be pretty religious, if we go by some of his more recent songs. Would a Satanist sing _Did Ye Get Healed_ or _Whenever God Shines His Light_? Yes, it’s an extensive screwup and it’s pretty funny. He evidently doesn’t know Jim Morrison and Van Morrison are two different people. I guess he’s picturing a guy whose real name was James Van Morrison, or that Jim Morrison lived in a van or something. > [@njtt](#): > > I myself am quite convinced of the, admittedly highly counter-intuitive, hypothesis that it is actually about a girl with brown eyes. I have no idea where you’re gettign that. > [@BrainGlutton](#): > > You know they’ll never live down Altamonte. > > Hiring the **Hell’s Angels** for **security?!** As noted upthread, that was the Grateful Dead’s idea. I’d say it was the worst idea they ever had, but they let Bob Weir sing. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2011, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/144 "2011-06-10T14:52:02Z")
> [@DrFidelius](#): > > (Were ABBA Satanists? I’ve got a lot of their songs.) [You wouldn’t think so.](http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01006d.htm) > [@](#): > > Abba is the Aramaic word for “father.” The word occurs three times in the New Testament (Mark 14:36; Romans 8:15; Galatians 4:6). ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2011, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/145 "2011-06-10T15:15:07Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Unless you’re posting in The BBQ Pit (our own little circle of Hell), don’t accuse other posters of trolling. > > **XXX19** , you’ve confused Van Morrison with Jim Morrison. Van Morrison (Gloria, Into the Mystic, Moondance, and Brown Eyed Girl, which is not about heroin) is alive and well. Jim Morrison (The Doors) died in 1971. I thought so; I am relieved to know that my information on Van is accurate as of this time. But this continued mis-statement on XXX19’s part leads me to doubt the veracity of any other pronouncements made. A simple Google would have told himher that (s)he was citing the wrong Morrison; how much else might (s)he be passing along without fact-checking? ---
**Author:** ![CapnPitt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/edb3f5/32.png) [@CapnPitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CapnPitt)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2011, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/146 "2011-06-10T15:17:56Z")
> [@XXX19](#): > > Speaking of Van, Brown Eye Girl, is a song about heroin. > > Heroin is brown. > > Like I said, Van ODed. > > You see, I do know metaphors. I really do. > That is not spreading dis-information. > > Nope, I"m still here Dude (or Dudette, as the case may be), seriously, you are spreading disinformation. Like everyone else said, Van is alive and I’m positive it’s not because he rose from the dead. The killing at Altamont was during “Under My Thumb,” not “Sympathy.” Also, people get hurt all the time at large gatherings (sometimes even, very unfortunately) getting killed. The Who in Cincinnati springs to mind. But who knows, according to you they’re probably Satanists too and they needed the blood sacrifice and it had nothing to do with poor crowd control and the idiotic idea of festival seating. Heck, I’m sure that people have even sprained ankles or worse at the Thomas Road Baptist Church. And now I do believe you know metaphors but only choose to use them when it’s convenient to you and you ignore them when it’s inconvenient. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2011, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/147 "2011-06-10T15:27:35Z")
> [@CapnPitt](#): > > The killing at Altamont was during “Under My Thumb,” not “Sympathy.” Still fits. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2011, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/148 "2011-06-10T15:31:26Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Still fits. The title could be Satan-y if you wanted it to. The actual song doesn’t fit, and the OP was going on about that song in particular. ---
**Author:** ![CapnPitt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/edb3f5/32.png) [@CapnPitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CapnPitt)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2011, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/149 "2011-06-10T15:44:47Z")
Almost every song could be Satan-y if you apply logic like **XXX19** ’s. Let’s see: “The Old Rugged Cross.” Well the word rugged has two lower case g’s in it which are directly in the middle of the word. Since these extend below the line, this means that we should invert meanings in the song. So rugged in these sense means inverted which means the inverted cross, which is a sign of Satan (and also proves that the Pope is the Whore of Babylon because this sign (supposedly of St. Peter) is on his chair). Then we continue to invert meanings in the lyrics and boy howdy, do we find ton’s of Satanic issues there. Inverting means that you’ll cling to the treasures of earth at the expense of the promise of the true cross. See…easy peasy. I can’t wait 'til we get to the part of this thread about backward-masking. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2011, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/150 "2011-06-10T15:47:41Z")
> [@CapnPitt](#): > > I can’t wait 'til we get to the part of this thread about backward-masking. I’m hoping we don’t get there until I have a chance to start drinking. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2011, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/151 "2011-06-10T15:49:35Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > I’m hoping we don’t get there until I have a chance to start drinking. I just realized what “Abba” spelled backwards is! ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2011, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/152 "2011-06-10T15:59:51Z")
In the minds of _certain kinds of people_, there _are no Facts_, only Truth. Unfortunately the vast majority of such people are acquainted with neither. ---
**Author:** ![XXX19](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/ac8455/32.png) [@XXX19](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XXX19)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2011, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/153 "2011-06-11T04:55:24Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Unless you’re posting in The BBQ Pit (our own little circle of Hell), don’t accuse other posters of trolling. > > **XXX19** , you’ve confused Van Morrison with Jim Morrison. Van Morrison (Gloria, Into the Mystic, Moondance, and Brown Eyed Girl, which is not about heroin) is alive and well. Jim Morrison (The Doors) died in 1971. Thank you. Got first names wrong. Like I keep saying, you gotta know what the enemy is saying. I have and know all he words. Someone else agrees with me. Answer: what is the meaning of brown eyed girl by van morrison? I believe the meaning is Morrison’s love for heroin. The word “girl” is interpreted as drugs that work on the brain’s hypothalamus region. Another example is the words “slippin’ and a slidin’” means using a needle for injecting heroin inside your body. Morrison uses brown because heroin is normally a brown color Read more: [What is the meaning of brown eyed girl by van Morrison? - Answers](http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_meaning_of_brown_eyed_girl_by_van_morrison#ixzz1OwKY9sg6) ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2011, 6:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/154 "2011-06-11T06:50:02Z")
> [@XXX19](#): > > Someone else agrees with me. > Answer: > what is the meaning of brown eyed girl by van morrison? > I believe the meaning is Morrison’s love for heroin. The word “girl” is interpreted as drugs that work on the brain’s hypothalamus region. Another example is the words “slippin’ and a slidin’” means using a needle for injecting heroin inside your body. Morrison uses brown because heroin is normally a brown color > Read more: [What is the meaning of brown eyed girl by van Morrison? - Answers](http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_meaning_of_brown_eyed_girl_by_van_morrison#ixzz1OwKY9sg6) FWIW, the contributor of that unsubstantiated interpretation has a trust level of zero, according to your link. Over at wiki, I see that Brown Eyed Girl was recorded in 1967. It has aged fairly well I think. [Answers - The Most Trusted Place for Answering Life's Questions](http://www.answers.com/topic/brown-eyed-girl) > [@wikipedia](#): > > Paul Williams included “Brown Eyed Girl” in his book Rock and Roll: The 100 Best Singles,[23] writing that: > > ``` > I was going to say this is a song about sex, and it is, and a song about youth and growing up, and memory, and it's also — very much and very wonderfully — a song about singing. > > ``` ---
**Author:** ![Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b38774/32.png) [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Attack_from_the_3rd_dimension)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2011, 9:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/155 "2011-06-11T09:40:15Z")
> [@XXX19](#): > > what is the meaning of brown eyed girl by van morrison? > I believe the meaning is Morrison’s love for heroin. The word “girl” is interpreted as drugs that work on the brain’s hypothalamus region. Another example is the words “slippin’ and a slidin’” means using a needle for injecting heroin inside your body. Morrison uses brown because heroin is normally a brown color You and your friend should look up Occam’s Razor. The devil uses it to keep true believers from being convincing. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2011, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/156 "2011-06-11T13:24:37Z")
> [@XXX19](#): > > Thank you. Got first names wrong. Like I keep saying, you gotta know what the enemy is saying. I have and know all he words. > > Someone else agrees with me. > Answer: > what is the meaning of brown eyed girl by van morrison? > I believe the meaning is Morrison’s love for heroin. The word “girl” is interpreted as drugs that work on the brain’s hypothalamus region. Another example is the words “slippin’ and a slidin’” means using a needle for injecting heroin inside your body. Morrison uses brown because heroin is normally a brown color > Read more: [What is the meaning of brown eyed girl by van Morrison? - Answers](http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_meaning_of_brown_eyed_girl_by_van_morrison#ixzz1OwKY9sg6) I hope you can understand our reaction to this, but you must realize that if you are demonstratably wrong on something as trivial as the name and fate of a musical performer, we may question why we should trust your statements on something as vital as the fate of our immortal souls. Both God and the Devil are said to be in the details, and if the little things are clearly incorrect then we are justified in feeling doubts about the big cases built from those details. Please take some time for yourself and consider the sources you have placed your trust in. I am no expert on salvation, but I honestly do not think that following falsehoods, no matter how sincere or well-intentioned, will help at the Last Judgement. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2011, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/157 "2011-06-11T13:50:53Z")
> [@XXX19](#): > > I have and know all he words. Masculine nouns? ---
**Author:** ![CapnPitt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/edb3f5/32.png) [@CapnPitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CapnPitt)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2011, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/158 "2011-06-11T14:20:24Z")
> [@XXX19](#): > > Thank you. Got first names wrong. Like I keep saying, you gotta know what the enemy is saying. I have and know all he words. > > Someone else agrees with me. > Answer: > what is the meaning of brown eyed girl by van morrison? > I believe the meaning is Morrison’s love for heroin. The word “girl” is interpreted as drugs that work on the brain’s hypothalamus region. Another example is the words “slippin’ and a slidin’” means using a needle for injecting heroin inside your body. Morrison uses brown because heroin is normally a brown color > Read more: [What is the meaning of brown eyed girl by van Morrison? - Answers](http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_meaning_of_brown_eyed_girl_by_van_morrison#ixzz1OwKY9sg6) Got the first names wrong?!?!?! You got more than that wrong. You started off with the premise that Van Morrison was dead from an overdose when it was Jim. Then you ran with Van Morrison. You should be running with the Jim Morrison argument and apologizing for taking us on a Van Morrison tangent. ODing on heroin was your lever into this and then when you’re shown that you had the wrong dead guy, you continue on with the guy who’s alive. And as for some anonymous person on wiki answers agreeing with you, remember that the plural of anecdote is not data. Further, go on the web and see if you can find two people who agree that lizard-people run the one-world government. It’s easy. ---
**Author:** ![Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b38774/32.png) [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Attack_from_the_3rd_dimension)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2011, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/159 "2011-06-11T14:56:10Z")
> [@CapnPitt](#): > > Further, go on the web and see if you can find two people who agree that lizard-people run the one-world government. It’s easy. The lizard people are Satan in the garden. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2011, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/160 "2011-06-11T15:20:58Z")
> [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](#): > > The lizard people are Satan in the garden. Satan did it in the garden with the apple! Of course, this is the solution for every game of Biblical Cluedo so there’s not much demand for the game. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480.md?page=9)