# Worst responses to Paris Terrorist Attacks **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 14, 2015, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worst-responses-to-paris-terrorist-attacks/737597 "2015-11-14T23:46:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Memnon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f1d935/32.png) [@Memnon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Memnon)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2015, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worst-responses-to-paris-terrorist-attacks/737597/61 "2015-11-16T23:12:58Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Their faith is the sole and independent motivation of their crimes and we don’t need anything more than their statement of their faith to fully understand their crimes: HAHAHAHHHAAHAHA BULLLLLLLLLSHIIIIT. I’m glad you and I seem to agree on the first two issues. As for the third, I don’t think anyone is saying that ISIS are motivated _solely_ by religion. Anyone with a grain of common sense knows that large militant groups can’t sustain themselves if they’re only motivated by one thing. But there are _so_ many people (including President Obama) who have said, and will likely continue to say, that ISIS has _nothing_ to do with Islam. This just isn’t true. They may adhere to a particularly militant strain of Islam, but if you remove religion from the equation entirely, none of their actions make any sense. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2015, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worst-responses-to-paris-terrorist-attacks/737597/62 "2015-11-16T23:29:06Z")
> [@Tithonus](#): > > But there are _so_ many people (including President Obama) who have said, and will likely continue to say, that ISIS has _nothing_ to do with Islam. I completely concur that it is entirely incorrect to interpret the phrase “ISIS has nothing to do with Islam” in a literal sense to imply that ISIS members are not Muslims or that they don’t directly connect their militant violence with their religious faith. Just as it would be incorrect to interpret it literally when somebody says that, e.g., fanatical abortion clinic bombers are “completely un-Christian”, when in fact those fanatics **do** identify as Christians and use their Christian faith to justify their acts. But I think in both cases, the statement is intended more metaphorically to mean something like _“these people are so far removed from our ideal of this religion that we reject their claims about it and refuse to view it through their warped perspective”_. That’s certainly how I interpret it, and I agree that a more literal reading would just be factually false. So it may be that we’re not actually disagreeing on anything here. Which is a hell of a situation for two respectable Pit-thread denizens to find themselves in. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Memnon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f1d935/32.png) [@Memnon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Memnon)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2015, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worst-responses-to-paris-terrorist-attacks/737597/63 "2015-11-16T23:32:03Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > So it may be that we’re not actually disagreeing on anything here. It’s starting to look that way, isn’t it? We may not see exactly eye to eye on the precise _extent_ to which religion informs ISIS’s actions, but I think our positions are an awful lot closer than it may have first appeared. > [@Kimstu](#): > > Which is a hell of a situation for two respectable Pit-thread denizens to find themselves in. I’ll have you know I work very hard to avoid being respectable 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2015, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worst-responses-to-paris-terrorist-attacks/737597/64 "2015-11-16T23:33:32Z")
Doesn’t matter to me if you want to say they are motivated by their religious opinions, just so long as you don’t segue into telling me that all who share any aspect of that faith are suspect. That would make about as much sense as driving out all vegetarians because Hitler was one! Wait, let me think about that for a moment…no, that’s a bad idea. Never mind. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2015, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worst-responses-to-paris-terrorist-attacks/737597/65 "2015-11-17T02:05:33Z")
[Paul Krugman, OTOH, offers one of the **best** responses.](http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/16/opinion/fearing-fear-itself.html?rref=collection%2Fcolumn%2Fpaul-krugman&action=click&contentCollection=opinion®ion=stream&module=stream_unit&version=latest&contentPlacement=1&pgtype=collection&_r=0) ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2015, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worst-responses-to-paris-terrorist-attacks/737597/66 "2015-11-17T02:07:22Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Doesn’t matter to me if you want to say they are motivated by their religious opinions, just so long as you don’t segue into telling me that all who share any aspect of that faith are suspect. That would make about as much sense as driving out all vegetarians because Hitler was one! > > Wait, let me think about that for a moment…no, that’s a bad idea. Never mind. Of course we don’t want to **drive out** vegetarians! Vegetarians are **delicious!** 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Carlson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc79bd/32.png) [@Not\_Carlson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Not_Carlson)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2015, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worst-responses-to-paris-terrorist-attacks/737597/67 "2015-11-17T04:33:53Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > And left-wingers call into a radio station and call for lynching white people and cops. That is disgraceful. Has that actually happened? ---
**Author:** ![russian\_heel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f05b48/32.png) [@russian\_heel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/russian_heel)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2015, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worst-responses-to-paris-terrorist-attacks/737597/68 "2015-11-17T04:35:56Z")
Latest annoying trend. You would think how nice it is everyone on Facebook is having the French flag superimposed over their profile photos as a show of support for our friends, and allies in France. How could ANYONE possibly have a problem with THAT? . . . . . . . Yep you guessed it. There’s always one whiner who has to shit all over a powerful Internet meme: "How come we don’t use flags of Israel since they get blown up every week? . . . . . . Nigeria lost 1000 people to terror attacks like 2 weeks ago and no one cared . . . . how come we aren’t using Somali flags, 128 people got wiped in a terror attack yesterday, too. blah blah blah Hmmmm . . . MAYBE because Israel is surrounded by Muslim countries that all hate its guts . . . .Somalia is only slightly more governed than a Mad Max movie . . . . and Nigeria has suffered from civil wars, terrorism, and corruption for live the last 25-30 years? We don’t expect something like this in Paris. . . . many Americans have visited France . . . they are our NATO ally . . . .they are closer to the US than those other countries . . . should I keep going???:dubious: SHUT THE FUCK UP, and get behind a gesture of unity, for once! ---
**Author:** ![DoggyDunnit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/5fc32e/32.png) [@DoggyDunnit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DoggyDunnit)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2015, 7:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worst-responses-to-paris-terrorist-attacks/737597/69 "2015-11-17T07:37:03Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Historically, the Islamic world has always known sectarian violence, but it wasn’t nearly this bad before Western powers started colonizing it and otherwise meddling in it. Bingo. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2015, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worst-responses-to-paris-terrorist-attacks/737597/70 "2015-11-17T14:13:50Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Of course we don’t want to **drive out** vegetarians! > > Vegetarians are **delicious!** 🙂 Especially the grass-fed artisanal ones. ---
**Author:** ![Donald\_Rump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9fc29f/32.png) [@Donald\_Rump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Donald_Rump)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2015, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worst-responses-to-paris-terrorist-attacks/737597/71 "2015-11-17T14:42:31Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > [Paul Krugman, OTOH, offers one of the **best** responses.](http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/16/opinion/fearing-fear-itself.html?rref=collection%2Fcolumn%2Fpaul-krugman&action=click&contentCollection=opinion®ion=stream&module=stream_unit&version=latest&contentPlacement=1&pgtype=collection&_r=0) Thanks for posting that. Very clear-minded. His implication seems to be that some level of terrorism is just something we’ll have to live with, which is unsatisfying but strikes me as correct. (Conservatives are very good at taking this stance on mass shootings; for some reason, terrorism is a blind spot for them.) Of course, it’s natural for anger and frustration, after so many of these attacks, to drive a search for some decisive final solution to the problem; but unfortunately the existence of such a solution is a fantasy. And the fantasy is of course being exploited by the administration’s usual detractors for political gain. ---
**Author:** ![Donald\_Rump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9fc29f/32.png) [@Donald\_Rump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Donald_Rump)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2015, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worst-responses-to-paris-terrorist-attacks/737597/72 "2015-11-17T22:52:57Z")
The execrable Ralph Peters deserves a mention on this thread for his “take” on things. > **[Obama’s ‘patience’ merely gave ISIS time to grow](https://nypost.com/2015/11/16/obamas-patience-merely-gave-isis-time-to-grow/)** > > The Obama administration has tried to spin its timidity and ineptitude in the face of Islamist terrorism as a clever policy of “strategic patience.” With eyes closed and fingers crossed, the presid… > [@](#): > > The generals who won World War II would start by leveling Raqqa, the ISIS caliphate’s capital. Civilians would die, but those remaining in Raqqa have embraced ISIS, as Germans did Hitler. The jihadis must be crushed. Start with their “Berlin.” > > Kill ten thousand, save a million. > > Unthinkable? Fine. We lose. > > And the jihadis? They’ll always have Paris. ---
**Author:** ![sleestak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/919ad9/32.png) [@sleestak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sleestak)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2015, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worst-responses-to-paris-terrorist-attacks/737597/73 "2015-11-23T02:23:01Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Was thinking on putting this in the climate change thread, but it looks better here. > > The big conference on climate change will **still** take place in Paris. > > [http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/11/14/3722291/paris-climate-talks-security/](http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/11/14/3722291/paris-climate-talks-security/) > > The human induced climate change deniers like Anthony Watts and Roy Spenser did not waste time to remind all about how much idiots, cowards and hate mongers they are. > > [Laid bare: the sociopathology of climate science denial | HotWhopper](http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2015/11/laid-bare-sociopathology-of-climate.html) > > [Roy Spencer Is The Worst Person In The World | ScienceBlogs](http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2015/11/14/roy-spencer-is-the-worst-person-in-the-world/) Gigo, while I realize you have a hard on about Climate Change ™, so much so in fact that one begins to suspect that you fap one out every time the subject arises while screaming ‘Its gonna get sooo hot! We are all gonna BURN!’ while looking lovingly at your Paul Erhlich videos, give it a fucking rest. You are a tool whose only skill is parroting a Nazi wannabe with pathetic math skills. The world isn’t going to end. It will get warmer for a while, then it will get colder. Life will go on. Slee ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2015, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worst-responses-to-paris-terrorist-attacks/737597/74 "2015-11-23T02:43:57Z")
Yeah, but who wants to live in the Road Warrior world? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2015, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worst-responses-to-paris-terrorist-attacks/737597/75 "2015-11-23T02:45:52Z")
> [@sleestak](#): > > Gigo, while I realize you have a hard on about Climate Change ™, so much so in fact that one begins to suspect that you fap one out every time the subject arises while screaming ‘Its gonna get sooo hot! We are all gonna BURN!’ while looking lovingly at your Paul Erhlich videos, give it a fucking rest. > > You are a tool whose only skill is parroting a Nazi wannabe with pathetic math skills. If you are referring to the image of the founder of Skeptical Science in Nazi uniform, that was of dubious origin or a joke that was not supposed to be released as it came from a hacked directory, a hack that BTW allowed the deniers to fool you 100% with some hidden forum posts regarding other “scandal” and your gullibility certified you to be an ass in that thread. > [@sleestak](#): > > The world isn’t going to end. It will get warmer for a while, then it will get colder. Life will go on. > > Slee No evidence for your say so, remember, the same ones that have fooled you and continue to do so claimed that cooling was coming and that it has not warmed in x years. > **[Lesson 1,126½ in how to be a science disinformer, featuring Bob Tisdale](https://blog.hotwhopper.com/2015/11/lesson-1126-in-how-to-be-science.html)** > > Global warming & climate change. Eavesdropping on climate science deniers, their weird pseudo-science and crazy conspiracy theories. > [@](#): > > Before you start, it’s important to see what the observations actually show. Below is a chart of HadCRUT4, plotted with the multi-model mean of CMIP5. The 95% probability is for all uncertainties for HadCRUT observations - measurement and sampling, bias and coverage uncertainties. The uncertainties relating to the multi-model mean of CMIP5 are not plotted. As always, click on the chart to enlarge it. > > Fig 1 | Global mean surface temperature observations and multi-model mean. > Data sources: UK Met Office Hadley Centre and KNMI Climate Explorer (CMIP5) > > **As you can see, with 2015 year to date (to September 2015), the observations are now approaching the CMIP5 multi-model mean. This closing of the gap must be hidden from WUWT deniers at all costs. And it’s not hard to do so if you follow the steps in the lesson.** So as we found that your attack here was just based on fantasies one could expect that you will demand that the ones that fooled you to correct their bullshit. … Not holding my breath for that one, you will be too coward to do so because you would not like to upset the peers you have. Climate deniers peers, that as it was pointed out by the actions of recent denier posters, are also racists and bigots; it is what takes place when many conservatives that are smart do not contribute or help the deniers as much as they used too, then the ones that are fake environmentalists with more unsavory axes to grind remain. And it is clear that you will remain clueless about such a development. You are indeed just projecting. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2015, 7:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worst-responses-to-paris-terrorist-attacks/737597/76 "2015-11-23T07:09:54Z")
In a move that would make the KKK proud: Texas governor Abbott tells their agencies to become the Texas Unhealthy and Inhuman services. [http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/2015/11/on-fox-news-gov-abbott-says-feds-cant-meet-texas-safety-criteria-for-syrian-refugees.html/](http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/2015/11/on-fox-news-gov-abbott-says-feds-cant-meet-texas-safety-criteria-for-syrian-refugees.html/) > [@](#): > > Gov. Abbott tells state agencies to comply with directive to refuse Syrian refugees > **[Texas Governor Joins Dozens Of Others Saying No To Syrian Refugees](https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/11/17/456426487/texas-governor-joins-dozens-of-others-saying-no-to-syrian-refugees)** > > Hundreds of people fleeing the war in Syria have already settled in Texas. The governor says he doesn't want any more. We found Texans who support the move against Syrians - and some who don't. > [@](#): > > The prospect of Texas state-funded health clinics turning away refugee families from Syria, but not from any other nation, is hard to comprehend for Amy Jackson, development director for Caritas of Austin. “It’s a public health issue,” she says, “There are certain vaccinations that public school systems require. Are they really going to exclude these people?” ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2015, 11:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worst-responses-to-paris-terrorist-attacks/737597/77 "2015-11-23T11:56:15Z")
Wow. Almost daily, I read something and say to myself, “_Please_ be _The Onion_…oh, _please_ be _The Onion_…” Incredibly, sadly, it’s almost never _The Onion_. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2015, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worst-responses-to-paris-terrorist-attacks/737597/78 "2015-11-23T14:52:20Z")
Shit, I’m happy just when it isn’t Texas! ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2015, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worst-responses-to-paris-terrorist-attacks/737597/79 "2015-11-23T15:03:25Z")
> [@Donald\_Rump](#): > > The execrable Ralph Peters deserves a mention on this thread for his “take” on things. > > [Obama’s ‘patience’ merely gave ISIS time to grow](http://nypost.com/2015/11/16/obamas-patience-merely-gave-isis-time-to-grow/) Holy shit. Has [anyone ever been wronger about everything than Peters](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Peters)? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worst-responses-to-paris-terrorist-attacks/737597.md?page=3)