# Worthless Piece of Shit Student **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 4, 2001, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worthless-piece-of-shit-student/85462 "2001-10-04T23:07:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![milroyj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2001, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worthless-piece-of-shit-student/85462/121 "2001-10-05T23:25:56Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by mswas \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by mswas \* > > \*\* > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > \*Originally posted by Beagle \* > > > \*\* > > > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > > > \*Originally posted by mswas \* > > > > \*\*While it is not really technically possible to overdose on LSD it is possible to have a permanent trip from just one hit of acid. > > > > \*\* > > > > > > :bullshit: > > > > > > If someone who is already disturbed does LSD it will not cure them, yes. As for the “permatrip,” chalk that up to an urban legend. \*\* > > > > Now you are full of shit, it’s not an urban legend it’s happened way too many times. > > > > Erek \*\* > > As a pre-emptive strike: Do you have a cite that it’s an urban legend? 😉 > > Erek \*\* You still don’t get it, moron. **You** made the claim that one hit of acid could cause a permanent trip. Now it’s up to **you** to provide a cite for that claim. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2001, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worthless-piece-of-shit-student/85462/122 "2001-10-06T00:15:04Z")
While I am not going to do some acid researching so that I can provide a cite for you here at work, I looked on [snopes.com](http://snopes.com) and it had only a couple references to specific legends. It didn’t have any reference to permanent trips in general. My wife’s mother is a psychologist who works in a sanitarium, and she works with people who have had the permanent vacation thing happen to them. I don’t have a cite for you. And just for milroyj, I did get it moron, I was being sarcastic about the cite. Permanent Trips do happen. But like I said, I’m at work and have no cite for you. I mean, I guess you could go do some searching for mkultra and a lot of the stuff that was associated with that and you’ll find all kinds of stuff about brainwashing using acid as a catalyst. All I said was that a small dosage can possibly harm someone permanently, that people don’t really “overdose” on acid. If you want to nitpick that I said one hit and therefore my whole statement is false as I will never be able to prove that, or prove how many micrograms was on that particular hit, then that’s your prerogative. As for cites regarding permatrips, just do some researching on mkultra, I’m sure you’ll find a whole lot of info. It depends on the person, their mood, their environment, their personality, their skeletons in their closet, all kinds of things that factor into them having a permanent trip. However there is lot’s of information regarding permanent trips that I am sure if you go into google you can find some. Keywords to put into google. Acid Permatrip Permanent vacation Permanent Trip mkultra timothy leary And the opposite is also true that you can do huge amounts of acid and not get permanently fucked. Look at Dr Hoffman who discovered acid when he got a huge fucking amount on himself and was not permanently fucked over afterward. So my point was about the amount having little to do with it. Maybe I’m wrong, maybe it takes at least two hits to get permanently fried or that’s the lowest dosage documented in any permanent trip and you can nitpick over my saying it can be one trip and ignore the ENTIRE point that you don’t really overdose on acid the same way you can on other drugs such as cocaine and heroin. The same person can do a sheet of acid one day not do acid for five years and do a few hits then and become permanently fried. THAT was my point. Erek ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2001, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worthless-piece-of-shit-student/85462/123 "2001-10-06T00:25:26Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Gary Kumquat \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by Anthracite \* > > I have a question, though - what is Hanlon’s Razor? \*\* > > Hanlon’s razor is a great piece of wisdom: > > “Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity” \*\* That, my friend, should be **Wildest Bill** ’s sig. Not that I’m looking for one, mind you-one glass of champagne and I’m snoring over plate-but where did you manage to get a home brewing kit? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2001, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worthless-piece-of-shit-student/85462/124 "2001-10-06T00:27:06Z")
Over MY plate. Jesus Christ on wheels, it’s catching! ---
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2001, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worthless-piece-of-shit-student/85462/125 "2001-10-06T00:31:02Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Guinastasia \* > \*\*Not that I’m looking for one, mind you-one glass of champagne and I’m snoring over plate-but where did you manage to get a home brewing kit? \*\* In States where they are legal (which is most all of them) you can normally look in the yellow pages for “beer and winemaking supplies”. It’s great fun, and you learn an awful lot about what you do. I did it myself for a few years, and may take it up again yet. It’s _distilling_ kits that are hard to find… 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2001, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worthless-piece-of-shit-student/85462/126 "2001-10-06T00:33:12Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by mswas \* > **Irrefutable logic…go you you beautiful androgene you.** I can’t help it - that word keeps making me think of a cross between **andros** and **Alphagene**. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2001, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worthless-piece-of-shit-student/85462/127 "2001-10-06T00:54:10Z")
I’ve had homemade wine before. My dad did a funeral for a man, and his widow, to show her thanks, sent my dad a bottle of homemade wine that her husband had made-it was his hobby. Good stuff-I think we had it at Easter. ---
**Author:** ![capacitor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e47774/32.png) [@capacitor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/capacitor)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2001, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worthless-piece-of-shit-student/85462/128 "2001-10-06T01:56:42Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Beagle \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by mswas \* > > \*\*While it is not really technically possible to overdose on LSD it is possible to have a permanent trip from just one hit of acid. > > \*\* > > :bullshit: > > If someone who is already disturbed does LSD it will not cure them, yes. As for the “permatrip,” chalk that up to an urban legend. \*\* No urban legend. I have a close relative who is still suffering 32 years later. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2001, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worthless-piece-of-shit-student/85462/129 "2001-10-06T02:31:01Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by capacitor \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by Beagle \* > > \*\* > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > \*Originally posted by mswas \* > > > \*\*While it is not really technically possible to overdose on LSD it is possible to have a permanent trip from just one hit of acid. > > > \*\* > > > > :bullshit: > > > > If someone who is already disturbed does LSD it will not cure them, yes. As for the “permatrip,” chalk that up to an urban legend. \*\* > > No urban legend. I have a close relative who is still suffering 32 years later. \*\* Would you happen to know how much acid he did that put him in this state? (assuming it’s a him) Erek ---
**Author:** ![Cartooniverse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cartooniverse/32/3084_2.png) [@Cartooniverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cartooniverse)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2001, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worthless-piece-of-shit-student/85462/130 "2001-10-06T22:12:40Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Gary Kumquat \* > \*\* Let’s review this. You post a scenario whereby you wish drug rape upon my daughter, as some judgement upon the views of her father, and you call me contemptible? \*\* Yep, I sure do. If you actually read the words carefully in that posting, I never said I would wish such a thing, on your family or anyone else’s. You’ve put that self-serving spin on it. All I did was -very sarcastically, I will freely admit- pose a scenario where your innocent 14-year-old “victim” of the SDMB members who are outraged gets to confront you and use the same pretzel logic to explain an indecent and sickening act to YOU. Not once did I wish such a thing upon you, your family or friends. So, don’t take a threat that isn’t there. But then, from what we’ve read of your early posts in this thread, distortion is your specialty. I know, I know, it’s **just** pot, duuuuude. Sorry, but the law is the law. I’ve no clue what you do for a living, but how well would you execute the responsibilities of your career if someone drugged YOU during lunch, and you had to complete your day under the influence of something you didnt’ expect to feel? You want this kid to be cut a lot of slack because of his age. In terms of serious crimes committed by kids his age, he’s hardly a baby. Murder, rape, arson, robbery are all performed very ably by 14 year old men and women. You’ll get no apology from me, because I meant zero and I do mean ZERO attack upon yourself or your family. I posed a hypothetical scenario. Unfortunately for the kids who were drugged without consent, their day wasn’t hypothetical. Deal with it. Cartooniverse ---
**Author:** ![omni-not](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8dc957/32.png) [@omni-not](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/omni-not)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2001, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worthless-piece-of-shit-student/85462/131 "2001-10-07T00:28:51Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Monty \* > \*\*I probably should know better than to ask mswas this, but here goes anyway: > > Yo, mswas: So what would your take be on it then if one of the victims had been 16, and after ingesting the drug-laced “goodies,” was driving down the highway and then got into an accident? \*\* OT: Curious to know how many 16 year old kids were involved in (fatal) accidents, stoned/drunk or not… ---
**Author:** ![Diane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/2acd7d/32.png) [@Diane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diane)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2001, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worthless-piece-of-shit-student/85462/132 "2001-10-07T01:54:30Z")
Beagle - I’m not going to get into a debate or argument on the permanent damage LSD may or may not have on a body. I just simply offered a story of something that happened to the brother of a friend over 20 years ago (Gawd, I feel old). I do know that he had had a serious reaction to a large amount of acid that was dropped into a batch of jungle juice at a party I attended. So serious that he was taken away by ambulance and has never been the same since. I do know that he received permanent damage because of the punch, whether or not it was the booze or the acid or a combination of the two. I do know that he is still disabled all these years later. I do know that his family, Social Security, the hospital, his doctors, and the local paper who reported the details, all claim that his condition was the result of the acid. (I will look in my junk/crap I have saved drawer to see if I still have the article, if not I will ask his sister for it or at least more details.) I won’t argue with you if you can show me evidence that makes their story impossible. What I don’t know is whether or not the acid was truly a direct cause of his condition. I am only going on what has been told to me. I do not know the permanent effects acid may have or whether or not a person can OD or not come out of a psychotic episode. Again, I am only going by what I witnessed that night, what I was told by the family, and what I know of him now. If someone else wants to debate the point, go for it, but it would be rather pointless of me to participate in a debate with only anecdotal evidence, now wouldn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2001, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worthless-piece-of-shit-student/85462/133 "2001-10-07T02:29:05Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Monty \* > \*\*I probably should know better than to ask mswas this, but here goes anyway: > > Yo, mswas: So what would your take be on it then if one of the victims had been 16, and after ingesting the drug-laced “goodies,” was driving down the highway and then got into an accident? \*\* I missed this earlier, but I think it would have sucked. Erek ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2001, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worthless-piece-of-shit-student/85462/134 "2001-10-07T02:48:19Z")
Ah, but mswas, the point I was making was that in the situation of the 16 year old having the accident after having been poisoned…er, “tricked into taking the drugs” without his knowledge, and then having an accident, there is now two tragedies–both at the hands of a minor. I think it’s obvious that I assign blame to the 2nd tragedy (the wreck) to the perpetrator of the 1st (the cretin referred to in the OP). & Cartooniverse: Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2001, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worthless-piece-of-shit-student/85462/135 "2001-10-07T03:32:46Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Monty \* > \*\*Ah, but mswas, the point I was making was that in the situation of the 16 year old having the accident after having been poisoned…er, “tricked into taking the drugs” without his knowledge, and then having an accident, there is now two tragedies–both at the hands of a minor. I think it’s obvious that I assign blame to the 2nd tragedy (the wreck) to the perpetrator of the 1st (the cretin referred to in the OP). > > & Cartooniverse: Thanks. \*\* Monty, Well you may or may not understand our legal system, but in MOST, not all situations, you are only charged with the crime that you ACTUALLY committed not the results that COULD have happened. For instance if you drink and drive and you get pulled over for swerving by a cop, you get a DWI and not a vehicular homicide, because while you COULD have killed another driver, you didn’t so it doesn’t matter what you COULD have done. So thankfully the Puritans (read: you) are not in power right now and this kid doesn’t have any rocks piled on him. Erek ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2001, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worthless-piece-of-shit-student/85462/136 "2001-10-07T03:45:38Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by mswas \* > Monty, Well you may or may not understand our legal system, but in MOST, not all situations, you are only charged with the crime that you ACTUALLY committed not the results that COULD have happened. No kidding. In the hypothetical I posited, the 16-year old who was stoned against his will was in a wreck. > [@](#): > > For instance if you drink and drive and you get pulled over for swerving by a cop, you get a DWI and not a vehicular homicide, because while you COULD have killed another driver, you didn’t so it doesn’t matter what you COULD have done. Right again. But ain’t it grand that you gloss over the fact that the 16-year old in the hypothetical I posited gets, according to you, a DWI thanks to the 14-year old you wish to protect? > [@](#): > > So thankfully the Puritans (read: you) are not in power right now and this kid doesn’t have any rocks piled on him. Now that’s one heck of a strawman! ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2001, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worthless-piece-of-shit-student/85462/137 "2001-10-07T03:53:09Z")
[QUOTE] \*Originally posted by Monty \* \*\* > [@](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > So thankfully the Puritans (read: you) are not in power right now and this kid doesn’t have any rocks piled on him. > > Now that’s one heck of a strawman! \*\* You may or may not remember but you were the one saying that we should try the kid as an adult in the first place. When someone says OP they are referring to you, and the OP said that the kid should be tried as an adult. I hope that helps. If you need a cite, check the OP. Erek ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2001, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worthless-piece-of-shit-student/85462/138 "2001-10-07T04:16:46Z")
Last I checked Marijuana is an illegal drug and injecting drugs into someone’s system without their knowledge is a crime. Get back to me when you decide that your vacation from Reality has been too long, okay. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2001, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worthless-piece-of-shit-student/85462/139 "2001-10-07T04:21:18Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Monty \* > \*\*Last I checked Marijuana is an illegal drug and injecting drugs into someone’s system without their knowledge is a crime. > > Get back to me when you decide that your vacation from Reality has been too long, okay. \*\* Yes Marijuana is an illegal drug, and the person who did this was a juvenile, and we have seperate laws for juveniles, he is being tried as a juvenile. Now that is the reality I am in. Please provide a cite to prove that my view of reality is incorrect. Erek ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2001, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worthless-piece-of-shit-student/85462/140 "2001-10-07T04:56:58Z")
The people of the State of California voting to try certain juveniles as adults in certain cases. That work for you? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worthless-piece-of-shit-student/85462.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worthless-piece-of-shit-student/85462.md?page=8)