# Worthless shithead New Orleans looters. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 31, 2005, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worthless-shithead-new-orleans-looters/319379 "2005-08-31T02:46:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Duke\_of\_Rat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Duke\_of\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke_of_Rat)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2005, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worthless-shithead-new-orleans-looters/319379/241 "2005-09-01T13:40:18Z")
> [@Mama Tiger](#): > > They’re shooting at helicopters; there are reports of a helicopter trying to land on the roof of a hospital in Kenner (East Jeff? the report didn’t say) only to see a crowd of 100 people, some with guns, waiting for them. > > Now they can’t even evacuate the fucking hospitals? Frankly, I think a shoot to kill policy is not unreasonable at this point. Killing a few animals to save many, many thousands more is a fair tradeoff , IMO. > [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > “Killing a few animals?” > It’s awfully goddamn easy to judge other people when your sitting on your couch with a full box of krispy kremes and big ass diet coke, isn’t it. I’m amazed at how many perfect human beings we have on this board who not only would never THINK of taking food and water to survive a disaster, but also possess such perfect, godlike judgement that they can imperiously decide who deserves to live and die based on nothing but some images on a television. > > It seems to me like some people are working awfully hard to come up with some kind of excuse - ANY excuse - to start slaughtering disaster survivors in the street. > > You people fucking disgust me. You should all pray to your gods for forgiveness, you sick, sadistic, bloodthirsty fucks. You’re right. I’m sure that shooting at rescue helicopters is key to their survival. Who are we to judge who can and cannot shoot at rescue helicopters? These people have been through a lot, if shooting at rescue helicopters is the only way for them to insure their survival, no need for us to sit and judge them. Thanks, Dio, for helping me understand the plight of these poor people. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2005, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worthless-shithead-new-orleans-looters/319379/242 "2005-09-01T13:42:09Z")
> [@Stephe96](#): > > They’re shooting at people who are trying to “help.” “They” do not represent the vast majority of the Katrina survivors, though. Yet, “they” are all you seem to think about. Stop devoting so much energy _to_ people outside of your circle of influence\* and start doing something _for_ the people who need help. Priorities, people. Priorities! \*Thanks to Stephen R. Covey for giving me some insight into the ineffectiveness of certain people. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2005, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worthless-shithead-new-orleans-looters/319379/243 "2005-09-01T13:45:06Z")
> [@Duke of Rat](#): > > So here I am, friendly neighborhood bank robber. I walk into the bank, don’t threaten anyone, just walk around the counter and start helping myself to money. > > Is it unreasonable for me to not expect to be shot and killed for taking it? It’s only property. No, it is not unreasnable for you to expect not to get shot. Anyone who would shoot you would be a criminal. ---
**Author:** ![Stephe96](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Stephe96](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stephe96)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2005, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worthless-shithead-new-orleans-looters/319379/244 "2005-09-01T13:46:25Z")
> [@you with the face](#): > > “They” do not represent the vast majority of the Katrina survivors, though. Yet, “they” are all you seem to think about. > > Stop devoting so much energy _to_ people outside of your circle of influence\* and start doing something _for_ the people who need help. > > Priorities, people. Priorities! > . Ahem. “They” are preventing people who desperately need to be rescued from being saved. They may represent a minority, but they are putting the majority in grave danger. This is _exactly_ why it was necessary to put down a few looters just as soon as the criminal behavior began: you show in the most dramatic way possible that violence and lawlessness will not be tolerated. ---
**Author:** ![Shagnasty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9dc877/32.png) [@Shagnasty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shagnasty)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2005, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worthless-shithead-new-orleans-looters/319379/245 "2005-09-01T13:47:05Z")
> [@Stephe96](#): > > You’ve shown problem with letting a mob get away with crime and now you’re shocked, _shocked_ , that the mob mentality has escalated into further violence? Please, tell me _you_ are not this stupid. I agree. People are skipping through the flowers in la la land here. Without law and order, anarchy escalates. It just starts with the looting and grows from there. It will probably get worse from there. Now, the National Guard is probably going to have to open machine gun fire to stop some of the gangs from blocking relief and rescue operations. A reasonable show of force on the streets to begin with could hace prevented much of this. It did start with the looting. It will certainly get worse from here. ---
**Author:** ![Duke\_of\_Rat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Duke\_of\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke_of_Rat)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2005, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worthless-shithead-new-orleans-looters/319379/246 "2005-09-01T13:47:34Z")
> [@you with the face](#): > > “They” do not represent the vast majority of the Katrina survivors, though. Yet, “they” are all you seem to think about. > > Stop devoting so much energy _to_ people outside of your circle of influence\* and start doing something _for_ the people who need help. > > Priorities, people. Priorities! > > \*Thanks to Stephen R. Covey for giving me some insight into the ineffectiveness of certain people. Well, it would appear that the Katrina survivers who are not shooting can’t be rescued because of the Katrina survivors who are shooting. One way to help those who are not shooting would be to stop the ones who are shooting from shooting. Any suggestions? Offer them a Twinkie and a Pepsi? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2005, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worthless-shithead-new-orleans-looters/319379/247 "2005-09-01T13:48:59Z")
> [@Stephe96](#): > > You’ve shown problem with letting a mob get away with crime and now you’re shocked, _shocked_ , that the mob mentality has escalated into further violence? Please, tell me _you_ are not this stupid. There is no “mob.” You are fallaciously trying to fabricate a collective responsibility on the part of all “looters” for the actions of a few individuals or discrete groups. It’s not going to work. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2005, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worthless-shithead-new-orleans-looters/319379/248 "2005-09-01T13:49:13Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > No, it is not unreasnable for you to expect not to get shot. Anyone who would shoot you would be a criminal. Depends on the state. There are a number of states that permit deadly force to be used in defense of property. In those states, a guard shooting you to protect property would not be breaking any laws. ---
**Author:** ![Duke\_of\_Rat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Duke\_of\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke_of_Rat)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2005, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worthless-shithead-new-orleans-looters/319379/249 "2005-09-01T13:51:59Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > No, it is not unreasnable for you to expect not to get shot. Anyone who would shoot you would be a criminal. Or a police officer. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2005, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worthless-shithead-new-orleans-looters/319379/250 "2005-09-01T13:52:29Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > No one has a right to commit murder to protect mere property. How do you know what rights people have? In what book is it written? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2005, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worthless-shithead-new-orleans-looters/319379/251 "2005-09-01T13:57:24Z")
> [@Duke of Rat](#): > > You’re right. I’m sure that shooting at rescue helicopters is key to their survival. Who are we to judge who can and cannot shoot at rescue helicopters? These people have been through a lot, if shooting at rescue helicopters is the only way for them to insure their survival, no need for us to sit and judge them. > > Thanks, Dio, for helping me understand the plight of these poor people. Every single looter in New Orleans is shooting at helicopters? Are you saying that if one person shoots at a helicopter, then everybody in the city who has taken a box of diapers or a radio deserves to die? ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2005, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worthless-shithead-new-orleans-looters/319379/252 "2005-09-01T13:59:51Z")
> [@Stephe96](#): > > You’ve shown problem with letting a mob get away with crime and now you’re shocked, _shocked_ , that the mob mentality has escalated into further violence? Please, tell me _you_ are not this stupid. Look, cunt, if you can’t argue without misconstruing the other side of the argument, fuck off. I haven’t had to resort to saying “Stephe96 wants to shoot all the coloreds of New Orleans in the head!” It makes it hard to feel like even trying to make a point if you are so stupid and/or obtuse that you cannot comprehend it. The point all along was that prevention of looting is a lower priority than search and rescue. Show me anyone who said that they were unconcerned about the prevention of violence, rioting, or murder. Looting is an aspect of social disorder, somewhere above truancy, trespass, or vandalism and somewhere below assault, rioting, rape and murder. Nobody here has argued against the restoration of social order. I have argued that a bullet to the head is an inappropriate response to looting. Would you shoot someone for trespass? For failing to attend school today? If not, is it fair to say that YOU LIKE RAPE! Or that you WANT TO GIVE TEH TWINKIES TO MURDERERS!!! Fucking dumbass. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2005, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worthless-shithead-new-orleans-looters/319379/253 "2005-09-01T14:01:05Z")
> [@Duke of Rat](#): > > Or a police officer. I’m pretty sure any cop that shoots an unarmed bank robber is a criminal. ---
**Author:** ![Duke\_of\_Rat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Duke\_of\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke_of_Rat)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2005, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worthless-shithead-new-orleans-looters/319379/254 "2005-09-01T14:01:49Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > No one has a right to commit murder to protect mere property. The comparison to rape is ridiculous. Not sure about Loisiana or Tennessee, but you would be well advised not to test your theory in Texas: > [@](#): > > ``` > § 9.41. PROTECTION OF ONE'S OWN PROPERTY. (a) A person > > ``` > > in lawful possession of land or tangible, movable property is > justified in using force against another when and to the degree the > actor reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary to > prevent or terminate the other’s trespass on the land or unlawful > interference with the property. > (b) A person unlawfully dispossessed of land or tangible, > movable property by another is justified in using force against the > other when and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the force > is immediately necessary to reenter the land or recover the > property if the actor uses the force immediately or in fresh pursuit > after the dispossession and: > (1) the actor reasonably believes the other had no > claim of right when he dispossessed the actor; or > (2) the other accomplished the dispossession by using > force, threat, or fraud against the actor. > > Acts 1973, 63rd Leg., p. 883, ch. 399, § 1, eff. Jan. 1, 1974. > Amended by Acts 1993, 73rd Leg., ch. 900, § 1.01, eff. Sept. 1, > 1994. > § 9.42. DEADLY FORCE TO PROTECT PROPERTY. A person is > justified in using deadly force against another to protect land or > tangible, movable property: > (1) if he would be justified in using force against the > other under Section 9.41; and > (2) when and to the degree he reasonably believes the > deadly force is immediately necessary: > (A) to prevent the other’s imminent commission of > arson, burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, theft during the > nighttime, or criminal mischief during the nighttime; or > (B) to prevent the other who is fleeing > immediately after committing burglary, robbery, aggravated > robbery, or theft during the nighttime from escaping with the > property; and > (3) he reasonably believes that: > (A) the land or property cannot be protected or > recovered by any other means; or > (B) the use of force other than deadly force to > protect or recover the land or property would expose the actor or > another to a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury. > > Acts 1973, 63rd Leg., p. 883, ch. 399, § 1, eff. Jan. 1, 1974. > Amended by Acts 1993, 73rd Leg., ch. 900, § 1.01, eff. Sept. 1, > 1994. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2005, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worthless-shithead-new-orleans-looters/319379/255 "2005-09-01T14:03:04Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > Every single looter in New Orleans is shooting at helicopters? Are you saying that if one person shoots at a helicopter, then everybody in the city who has taken a box of diapers or a radio deserves to die? I think he has pretty much indicated we don’t have to wait for them to shoot at helicopters. Shoot 'em all, let God sort it out; is that about right **Duke**? ---
**Author:** ![Stephe96](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Stephe96](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stephe96)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2005, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worthless-shithead-new-orleans-looters/319379/256 "2005-09-01T14:04:37Z")
Apparently, a National Guardsman on one of the helicopters was hit by a bullet. I say that President Bush should admit it was a mistake to go into New Orleans and withdraw _all_ troops immediately! Oh, and the Guardsman’s mother should camp out in Crawford and demand to know why her little baby was placed in harm’s way. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Duke\_of\_Rat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Duke\_of\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke_of_Rat)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2005, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worthless-shithead-new-orleans-looters/319379/257 "2005-09-01T14:07:30Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > Every single looter in New Orleans is shooting at helicopters? Are you saying that if one person shoots at a helicopter, then everybody in the city who has taken a box of diapers or a radio deserves to die? No, your original retort was to a post by **Mama Tiger** who said kill the shooters. She didn’t say anything about looters. You jumped to the conclusion that she meant shoot somebody with a box of diapers. She was able to make the distinction, I was able to make the distinction, you don’t seem to able to follow. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2005, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worthless-shithead-new-orleans-looters/319379/258 "2005-09-01T14:07:52Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > How do you know what rights people have? In what book is it written? Everybody can just fuck off with their legal cites. For one thing. I’m talking about moral rights, not legal rights. For another, The laws being cited are about owners protecting property as it’s being taken, not about police helicopters randomly strafing hurricane survivors in the streets because they’re holding a bottle of water. You want to know what book? Check your fucking Bible. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2005, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worthless-shithead-new-orleans-looters/319379/259 "2005-09-01T14:08:05Z")
> [@](#): > > Well, why not shoot at helicopters? Why should that be “wrong” all of a sudden? After all, nobody seemed interested in stopping these looters when they were breaking into stores and stealing everything in sight. Sorry, don’t get the point of your argument. No one here says that there is nothing wrong with shooting at rescue choppers. The main reason looters are not being “stopped” (although it is quite clear that considerable effort has been made to to stop the looting) is purely one of available manpower. Now, I suppose we could get around the manpower problem by putting up a minigun-equipped AC-130 and having it mow down everyone in a crowd of looters. Hell, I bet one time, just as, you know, an _example_ to others, would be sufficient. Would that be acceptable to you? If not, why not? If it is acceptable to you, do you seriously think a majority would agree? I asked this of you in another thread, and you ignored it, so I’ll ask again: how do you account for the fact that law enforcement officials themselves apparently do not yet feel that using deadly force on random looters would be an effective tactic? I’ll also say, once again, that this problem will resolve itself within a couple of days, with or without the widespread use of deadly force by police or other authorities. ---
**Author:** ![Who\_me\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/958977/32.png) [@Who\_me\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Who_me_1)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2005, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worthless-shithead-new-orleans-looters/319379/260 "2005-09-01T14:09:49Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > You people fucking disgust me. You should all pray to your gods for forgiveness, you sick, sadistic, bloodthirsty fucks. While I may not be as pro killing the looters as some people here. if I were in my (non existant) NO home and a roving gang of humans tried to break into my home (flooded as it may be), I would start shooting until either they, or I, were dead… or they ran off. This would be especially true if I had family in my home with me. Since I don’t have any gods, do I still have to pray? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worthless-shithead-new-orleans-looters/319379.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worthless-shithead-new-orleans-looters/319379.md?page=14)