# Wot no Hell's Kitchen 7/9/07? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 10, 2007, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wot-no-hells-kitchen-7-9-07/411158 "2007-07-10T03:57:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2007, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wot-no-hells-kitchen-7-9-07/411158/21 "2007-07-10T17:39:52Z")
[QUOTE=Lamar Mundane] Doesn’t anyone wonder what Ramsey would be like if put in Rock’s shoes in this situation? I can’t even imagine how he’d react to being forced to pick trash and be verbally abused every day. I think Ramsey wouldn’t make it through day one of his own show without hurting someone or just up and quitting. I don’t see much difference between the two - if anything, Rock is more stable. [/QUOTE] I can just about guarantee that Ramsay _was_ put through exactly that kind of hazing and verbal abuse when he was coming up in business, and not just for a few weeks but for a couple of years. A neophyte in a high end kitchen is treated pretty much like a dog for at least the first year (and I don’t think GR even went to culinary school. His bio says he has a degree in Hotel Management and then – after a brief stint as a pro soccer player – worked his way up to being a head chef in several restaurants in London and Paris). I actually don’t see GR as someone who can’t show humility or take criticism or as someone who would have been incapable of tolerating the requisite period of hazing. If that were the case, he would have never made it up the ladder as far as he did. He’s temperamental and he’s a perfectionist but I don’t think he’s really an egoist. ---
**Author:** ![Hippy\_Hollow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hippy_hollow/32/4841_2.png) [@Hippy\_Hollow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hippy_Hollow)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2007, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wot-no-hells-kitchen-7-9-07/411158/22 "2007-07-10T18:06:26Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] I can just about guarantee that Ramsay _was_ put through exactly that kind of hazing and verbal abuse when he was coming up in business, and not just for a few weeks but for a couple of years. A neophyte in a high end kitchen is treated pretty much like a dog for at least the first year (and I don’t think GR even went to culinary school. His bio says he has a degree in Hotel Management and then – after a brief stint as a pro soccer player – worked his way up to being a head chef in several restaurants in London and Paris). I actually don’t see GR as someone who can’t show humility or take criticism or as someone who would have been incapable of tolerating the requisite period of hazing. If that were the case, he would have never made it up the ladder as far as he did. He’s temperamental and he’s a perfectionist but I don’t think he’s really an egoist. [/QUOTE] And as many Dopers have commented, his other shows - Kitchen Nightmares and The F Word, to name two, are much different in tone. People have to remember that it’s a reality show done for Fox - it’s supposed to be OTT. I actually think he’s less crazed than he was in the first two seasons. Maybe I’m desensitized, but I haven’t heard my favorite insult - “you fucking donkey” in… donkeys. ---
**Author:** ![Dung\_Beetle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dung_beetle/32/7945_2.png) [@Dung\_Beetle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dung_Beetle)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2007, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wot-no-hells-kitchen-7-9-07/411158/23 "2007-07-10T18:21:37Z")
Don’t you mean “dunkies”? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Dung\_Beetle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dung_beetle/32/7945_2.png) [@Dung\_Beetle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dung_Beetle)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2007, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wot-no-hells-kitchen-7-9-07/411158/24 "2007-07-10T18:43:12Z")
Interesting…he’s written a book called Roasting in Hell’s Kitchen. I just ran across it at the library. ---
**Author:** ![UncleRojelio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/unclerojelio/32/3160_2.png) [@UncleRojelio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleRojelio)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2007, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wot-no-hells-kitchen-7-9-07/411158/25 "2007-07-10T19:23:39Z")
[QUOTE=Liberal] He should be in Hollywood. [/QUOTE] He is in Hollywood. I think he reads a script and hits his marks just fine. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2007, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wot-no-hells-kitchen-7-9-07/411158/26 "2007-07-10T19:35:13Z")
[QUOTE=Hippy Hollow] And as many Dopers have commented, his other shows - Kitchen Nightmares and The F Word, to name two, are much different in tone. People have to remember that it’s a reality show done for Fox - it’s supposed to be OTT. I actually think he’s less crazed than he was in the first two seasons. Maybe I’m desensitized, but I haven’t heard my favorite insult - “you fucking donkey” in… donkeys. [/QUOTE] Sometimes I wonder if the producers ever make him do extra takes to get a more “dramatic” performance. At times, it looks to me like he’s kind of faking the anger a little bit. I wouldn’t be surprised if it didn’t go a bit like this sometimes: GR: This risotto is a bit overdone. I think you’re going to have to do it again. And use a little more salt this time. DIRECTOR: CUT! Let’s do that again, but with a little more fire this time. Rememeber, you’ve had it with Nick. Your temperature is rising. You’ve got half a mind to shut down the service. GR: OK. DIRECTOR: And…ACTION! GR: Cor…Taste this risotto, you fucking donkey. You fucking BURNED it. I wouldn’t serve this to my fucking dog. That’s it…SHUT IT DOWN! ---
**Author:** ![Hippy\_Hollow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hippy_hollow/32/4841_2.png) [@Hippy\_Hollow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hippy_Hollow)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2007, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wot-no-hells-kitchen-7-9-07/411158/27 "2007-07-10T20:05:29Z")
I think this is true. He looks more like my dad than a crazy psycho. Crazy Psycho Gordon slaps a plate on someone’s vest for the cameras. Dad used to get that tired, you’ve-got-to-be-shitting-me look when I was flubbing grounders at second base. Just tired and resigned. (Dad didn’t call me a donkey though.) In this case, it’s more about the audible disappointment from someone you really like being let down. That has ten times more power than being called a donkey, in my experience. ---
**Author:** ![ThisSpaceForRent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thisspaceforrent/32/345_2.png) [@ThisSpaceForRent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThisSpaceForRent)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2007, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wot-no-hells-kitchen-7-9-07/411158/28 "2007-07-10T21:23:12Z")
quick hi-jack, kinda… Thanks to you all… I had to work last night and you all have helped bring me up to speed on this episode. For what it’s worth, IMHO Julia Rocks… tsfr ---
**Author:** ![Dung\_Beetle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dung_beetle/32/7945_2.png) [@Dung\_Beetle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dung_Beetle)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2007, 11:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wot-no-hells-kitchen-7-9-07/411158/29 "2007-07-11T11:39:13Z")
I was inspired to try making risotto last night. It turned out really good but I don’t think I’d be willing to put that much work into dinner very often. I’m also tempted to try wellingtons, but I always stumble on the price of beef tenderloin. No wonder Chef gets so pissed off when they overcook it! ---
**Author:** ![Turek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/turek/32/18782_2.png) [@Turek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Turek)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2007, 12:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wot-no-hells-kitchen-7-9-07/411158/30 "2007-07-11T12:10:01Z")
Fox should post the recipes for all the things on the show so we can all play along at home. I’ll teach my bird to yell, “You donkey!” 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2007, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wot-no-hells-kitchen-7-9-07/411158/31 "2007-07-11T14:46:59Z")
[QUOTE=Turek] Fox should post the recipes for all the things on the show so we can all play along at home. I’ll teach my bird to yell, “You donkey!” 🙂 [/QUOTE] They have posted some (but not all) recipes on the show’s web site. You can find them [here](http://www.fox.com/hellskitchen/features/dotw.htm). I don’t see any risotto or Wellingtons, but there is a lobster spaghetti. ---
**Author:** ![Turek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/turek/32/18782_2.png) [@Turek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Turek)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2007, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wot-no-hells-kitchen-7-9-07/411158/32 "2007-07-11T15:15:23Z")
[QUOTE=Spoons] They have posted some (but not all) recipes on the show’s web site. You can find them [here](http://www.fox.com/hellskitchen/features/dotw.htm). I don’t see any risotto or Wellingtons, but there is a lobster spaghetti. [/QUOTE] Thanks, I googled without luck, and I never voluntarily go to a network’s website trying to find anything useful. ---
**Author:** ![ShelliBean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f9ae1b/32.png) [@ShelliBean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShelliBean)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2007, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wot-no-hells-kitchen-7-9-07/411158/33 "2007-07-11T15:30:45Z")
Yes, the next time my husband is home we are making risotto and wellington. Because at this point we’ve just hears so damn much about it. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2007, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wot-no-hells-kitchen-7-9-07/411158/34 "2007-07-11T15:49:29Z")
[QUOTE=Turek] Thanks, I googled without luck, and I never voluntarily go to a network’s website trying to find anything useful. [/QUOTE] Normally, I don’t either, but once I wanted to see if the site had a video recap of a point I missed in the show. It didn’t, so I thought that as long as I was there, I’d also had a look around. And I found the recipes. ---
**Author:** ![It\_s\_Not\_Rocket\_Surgery](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/it_s_not_rocket_surgery/32/312_2.png) [@It\_s\_Not\_Rocket\_Surgery](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/It_s_Not_Rocket_Surgery)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2007, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wot-no-hells-kitchen-7-9-07/411158/35 "2007-07-11T15:52:39Z")
Is it just me, or was the part about handling live lobsters ludicrously overblown? Heck, even diners handle live lobsters! What’s next, a contestant who freaks about about having to handle raw beef? ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2007, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wot-no-hells-kitchen-7-9-07/411158/36 "2007-07-11T15:57:41Z")
[QUOTE=It’s Not Rocket Surgery!] Is it just me, or was the part about handling live lobsters ludicrously overblown? Heck, even diners handle live lobsters! What’s next, a contestant who freaks about about having to handle raw beef? [/QUOTE] I may be mistaken, but these lobsters didn’t have the rubbber bands on the claws, which I think is more usual. That certainly doesn’t make it a “Fear Factor” level task, but it deos make it a tiny bit more difficult. ---
**Author:** ![It\_s\_Not\_Rocket\_Surgery](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/it_s_not_rocket_surgery/32/312_2.png) [@It\_s\_Not\_Rocket\_Surgery](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/It_s_Not_Rocket_Surgery)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2007, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wot-no-hells-kitchen-7-9-07/411158/37 "2007-07-11T16:07:46Z")
[QUOTE=Gangster Octopus] I may be mistaken, but these lobsters didn’t have the rubbber bands on the claws, which I think is more usual. That certainly doesn’t make it a “Fear Factor” level task, but it deos make it a tiny bit more difficult. [/QUOTE] No, they didn’t have the rubber bands, but it takes maybe 5 seconds to tell the contestants to pick up the lobsters from near the back. And you KNOW no one got pinched by a lobster, since the previews would have shown enough of the incident to make it look like a contestant died. ---
**Author:** ![Hung\_Mung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a88e4f/32.png) [@Hung\_Mung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hung_Mung)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2007, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wot-no-hells-kitchen-7-9-07/411158/38 "2007-07-11T17:01:07Z")
[QUOTE=It’s Not Rocket Surgery!] No, they didn’t have the rubber bands, but it takes maybe 5 seconds to tell the contestants to pick up the lobsters from near the back. And you KNOW no one got pinched by a lobster, since the previews would have shown enough of the incident to make it look like a contestant died. [/QUOTE] Surprisingly, a couple of them got pinched and they just blew through it. ---
**Author:** ![Wile\_E](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c37758/32.png) [@Wile\_E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wile_E)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2007, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wot-no-hells-kitchen-7-9-07/411158/39 "2007-07-11T17:26:08Z")
[QUOTE=Hung Mung] Surprisingly, a couple of them got pinched and they just blew through it. [/QUOTE] One of the bland white guys, Brosh, got pinched and said something about it but that was about it. I wondered why Chef made a point to tell them to kill it with a knife to the head first and no one did it, they just plopped them in the boiling water. Is PETA making a huge fuss about the show yet? ---
**Author:** ![jrepka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ee59a6/32.png) [@jrepka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jrepka)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2007, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wot-no-hells-kitchen-7-9-07/411158/40 "2007-07-11T19:35:29Z")
[QUOTE=Spoons] They have posted some (but not all) recipes on the show’s web site. You can find them [here](http://www.fox.com/hellskitchen/features/dotw.htm). I don’t see any risotto or Wellingtons, but there is a lobster spaghetti. [/QUOTE] My brother found GR’s Wellington recipe on the official site for his BBC show _The F Word_ (sorry, I don’t have the URL available right now). But the site included not only the recipe but a video clip of Ramsey prepping and serving the recipe. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wot-no-hells-kitchen-7-9-07/411158.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wot-no-hells-kitchen-7-9-07/411158.md?page=3)