# Would a Bernie-Warren ticket beat Trump?
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-a-bernie-warren-ticket-beat-trump/847094
**Category:** Politics & Elections
**Created:** [January 28, 2020, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-a-bernie-warren-ticket-beat-trump/847094 "2020-01-28T02:31:39Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@harmonicamoon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/harmonicamoon)
#### Post date: [January 28, 2020, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-a-bernie-warren-ticket-beat-trump/847094/1 "2020-01-28T02:31:39Z")
I know it is early for picking running mates. But people are concerned about Bernie"s age. If he was to move on, then some of his ideas would continue.
Of course Warren would have to agree. But if it was announced before the nomination process they might get enough delegates to get the nomination.
Obviously the big picture is to oust Trump.
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### Author:  [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)
#### Post date: [January 28, 2020, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-a-bernie-warren-ticket-beat-trump/847094/2 "2020-01-28T02:50:24Z")
Heck, I’d vote for Mickey Mouse or the Devil himself it would defeat Mr. Orangeness.
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### Author:  [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)
#### Post date: [January 28, 2020, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-a-bernie-warren-ticket-beat-trump/847094/3 "2020-01-28T02:53:00Z")
Not in the known universe would they beat Trump
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### Author:  [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)
#### Post date: [January 28, 2020, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-a-bernie-warren-ticket-beat-trump/847094/4 "2020-01-28T02:53:09Z")
If I were Bernie and I wanted a female, I wouldn’t choose Warren; I’d go after Harris. He would clear up any lingering concerns about his ability to relate to women and people of color, and Harris is younger. Not to mention, she’s bad-ass in one-on-one debates. He also wouldn’t have to answer annoying questions about how they can kiss and make up after being called a liar on TV. Warren and Sanders don’t mix.
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### Author:  [@Lamoral](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamoral)
#### Post date: [January 28, 2020, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-a-bernie-warren-ticket-beat-trump/847094/5 "2020-01-28T03:46:11Z")
Too white, too old, too Warren-y.
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### Author:  [@Lamoral](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamoral)
#### Post date: [January 28, 2020, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-a-bernie-warren-ticket-beat-trump/847094/6 "2020-01-28T03:47:25Z")
> [@asahi](#):
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> If I were Bernie and I wanted a female, I wouldn’t choose Warren; I’d go after Harris. He would clear up any lingering concerns about his ability to relate to women and people of color, and Harris is younger.
A number of my NON-white friends did not know that Harris is not white. Back when she was in the race I remember several people being surprised when I described her as a person of color.
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### Author:  [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)
#### Post date: [January 28, 2020, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-a-bernie-warren-ticket-beat-trump/847094/7 "2020-01-28T03:51:10Z")
> [@Lamoral](#):
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> A number of my NON-white friends did not know that Harris is not white. Back when she was in the race I remember several people being surprised when I described her as a person of color.
That was then, this is now.
Kamala Harris isn’t 100% black; she’s black when she wants to be, but she’s black and Indian and I guess brown enough. Plus she won a race in a very big, very diverse state. The objections that people had about her at the top of the ticket wouldn’t be so pronounced if she were a veep. She’s a great complement candidate or a lot of viagara-popping white guys.
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### Author:  [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)
#### Post date: [January 28, 2020, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-a-bernie-warren-ticket-beat-trump/847094/8 "2020-01-28T03:54:14Z")
Any given pairing MIGHT beat Trump, but Sanders/Warren would be a poor choice. Either one of them needs to be paired with a younger running mate. And they already appeal to the same audience: You want to balance the ticket.
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### Author:  [@Ashtura](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ashtura)
#### Post date: [January 28, 2020, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-a-bernie-warren-ticket-beat-trump/847094/9 "2020-01-28T04:26:13Z")
> [@asahi](#):
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> Not to mention, she’s bad-ass in one-on-one debate.
Is she, though? I find her strong on offense, but weak to the point of cringey when put on the defensive.
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### Author:  [@harmonicamoon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/harmonicamoon)
#### Post date: [January 28, 2020, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-a-bernie-warren-ticket-beat-trump/847094/10 "2020-01-28T12:35:30Z")
> [@Chronos](#):
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> Any given pairing MIGHT beat Trump, but Sanders/Warren would be a poor choice. Either one of them needs to be paired with a younger running mate. And they already appeal to the same audience: You want to balance the ticket.
Good point. I was just thinking that their combined support might be the ticket.
Thanks to everyone for the replies. You have popped my balloon, but I am used to that.
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### Author:  [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)
#### Post date: [January 28, 2020, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-a-bernie-warren-ticket-beat-trump/847094/11 "2020-01-28T12:45:21Z")
Bernie and Warren works in a game where the candidate’s ages are supposed to add up to 150.
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### Author:  [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)
#### Post date: [January 28, 2020, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-a-bernie-warren-ticket-beat-trump/847094/12 "2020-01-28T12:47:35Z")
A Bernie/Warren ticket would all but guarantee a second term for Trump.
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### Author:  [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)
#### Post date: [January 28, 2020, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-a-bernie-warren-ticket-beat-trump/847094/13 "2020-01-28T12:56:59Z")
Sanders/Warren reminds me of Mondale/Ferraro. Except they might win a few more states than Mondale.
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### Author:  [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)
#### Post date: [January 28, 2020, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-a-bernie-warren-ticket-beat-trump/847094/14 "2020-01-28T13:04:41Z")
If we want to win this thing, the VP candidate should be someone who will boost some combination of black/Hispanic/millennial turnout. (So I’d nix a Bernie/Warren ticket.) If the nominee is male, as looks likely right now, a woman on the ticket would help too.
People like us will vote. The people we need to vote are the people who might or might not vote, but will vote Dem if they do: people who don’t think about politics anywhere near as much as we do, people who would have to think a moment who controls which house of Congress, and might not get it right even then. Give them a reason. Using the VP slot for that is a good start.
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### Author:  [@Boycott](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boycott)
#### Post date: [January 28, 2020, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-a-bernie-warren-ticket-beat-trump/847094/15 "2020-01-28T13:15:06Z")
Warren as VP to Bernie would be pointless (likewise the other way around).
- The ticket is too old.
- They are both much of a muchness. Their core constituencies are the same so this ticket doesn’t expand the tent to those undecided.
- Trump would love to make the election a referendum on “socialism” and this ticket would help him do so.
I think either Bernie or Warren could win at the top of the ticket with the right VP to balance the ticket, and balance the duties of the job once elected. The VP ought to be your most trusted ally and link to Congressional leadership and when I hear about Bernie and Warren as they are running against each other for the nomination binding together in a non-aggression pack for six months to take down moderates, that doesn’t give me optimism that these two together in the White House will reach out to the other factions of the party.
Warren appears to be very close with Julian Castro and that’s a ticket that would work IMO. Castro has executive experience as Mayor, and administrative experience as Housing Development Secretary. He is a progressive but pragmatic enough to know sometimes we have to go for the lowest hanging fruit first (he was on Hillary’s shortlist too).
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### Author:  [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)
#### Post date: [January 28, 2020, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-a-bernie-warren-ticket-beat-trump/847094/16 "2020-01-28T13:31:32Z")
> [@asahi](#):
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> Kamala Harris isn’t 100% black; she’s black when she wants to be, but she’s black and Indian and I guess brown enough.
I dunno, described like \*that \*it does not sound like a virtue.
> [@RTFirefly](#):
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> People like us will vote. The people we need to vote are the people who might or might not vote, but will vote Dem if they do: people who don’t think about politics anywhere near as much as we do, people who would have to think a moment who controls which house of Congress, and might not get it right even then.
This is an important detail we sometimes bubble ourselves out of. WE may vote against Trump but we need people to have something to vote FOR – people in the places adding up to more Electoral Votes (a 150% margin in California or Illinois is pointless, a 0.5% margin in Pennsylvania or Virginia is gold).
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### Author:  [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)
#### Post date: [January 28, 2020, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-a-bernie-warren-ticket-beat-trump/847094/17 "2020-01-28T14:03:07Z")
> [@Boycott](#):
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> Warren as VP to Bernie would be pointless (likewise the other way around).
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> - The ticket is too old.
Agreed.
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> - They are both much of a muchness. Their core constituencies are the same so this ticket doesn’t expand the tent to those undecided.
Agreed even more.
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> - Trump would love to make the election a referendum on “socialism” and this ticket would help him do so.
Any ticket with Bernie Sanders on it is going to be a referendum on socialism no matter what Trump wants or doesn’t want. And all the quibbling in the world about how democratic socialism isn’t really socialism or how the military is socialist isn’t going to change that.
Bernie is old and he has had a heart attack already. There is a non-trivial possibility that, if he is elected (which God forbid) his VP will become P before the next election, and before he manages to get any of his policies enacted. Warren is old as well - would she have the energy to push policy?
Biden’s old and boring and a gaffe machine, but he is still the Dem’s only real chance, and I still think it is a less than 50-50 chance.
Regards,
Shodan
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### Author:  [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)
#### Post date: [January 28, 2020, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-a-bernie-warren-ticket-beat-trump/847094/18 "2020-01-28T17:07:26Z")
Bernie-Gabbard.
That would get at least one vote he isn’t getting otherwise. Bernie-Harris would make me laugh.
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### Author:  [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)
#### Post date: [January 28, 2020, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-a-bernie-warren-ticket-beat-trump/847094/19 "2020-01-28T17:16:23Z")
Warren adds very little to a Bernie ticket. Harris or Booker are better choices. Someone from the Rustbelt would also be good if they could motivate independents.
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### Author:  [@pjacks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pjacks)
#### Post date: [January 28, 2020, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-a-bernie-warren-ticket-beat-trump/847094/20 "2020-01-28T17:20:02Z")
Seems to me Nina Turner is being groomed to be Bernie’s running mate if he somehow becomes the nominee. She is one of his top surrogates and draws her own massive crowds, but she also is respected and well-liked by establishment Dems. She is also from Ohio, which is worth something I suppose.
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