# Would a Giuliani/McCain ticket be unbeatable? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 11, 2006, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-a-giuliani-mccain-ticket-be-unbeatable/368331 "2006-08-11T19:02:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2006, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-a-giuliani-mccain-ticket-be-unbeatable/368331/61 "2006-08-13T12:37:59Z")
> [@Mr2001](#): > > HCI (“Handgun Control, Inc.”) was an old name for the [Brady Campaign](http://www.bradycampaign.org/). From their [about page](http://www.bradycampaign.org/about/): > What a bunch of gun-grabbing wackos, huh? Nice try, but you’ll never win your case with logic and common sense proposals. The NRA has made boatloads of money exploiting the paranoia of people who are convinced that every common sense safeguard regarding guns is but a push on the slippery slope toward banning all firearms. Talking sense about gun control is an exercise in futility. Back to the OP: Guiliani? I don’t think so. On 9/10/01 he was just another politician with a closet full of skeletons and serious problems with marital fidelity. Since then the only ghouls that have milked 9/11 for more political gain are Osama and Bush. If he couldn’t even stay in the batter’s box against Hillary, why step up to the plate against the likes of Kerry and Edwards and Gore? McCain? He’s been living off his POW exerience for decades. Time to give it a rest. Other that being an ex-POW, what is so special about him? He’s just a cantankerous old fart with an Arizona-sized ego. He hasn’t the temperment to be president nor is he in posession of any great vision of where he would take the nation. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2006, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-a-giuliani-mccain-ticket-be-unbeatable/368331/62 "2006-08-13T13:30:32Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > For the sake of power, to advance their agenda, the Rocky Pubbies supped with Da Debbil, made a deal with the knuckle-walkers. Without that support, they could not aspire to anything other than Loyal Opposition status. > > The Republican party can be reformed and reborn if enough of them opt for integrity over power. If it happens, I will most likely be too stunned to applaud. Still, even the Rockie Pubbies will do **almost** anything that serves the established business interests. That’s a definite improvement over the religious-right, paleocon, and neocon wings of the party, but not by much. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2006, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-a-giuliani-mccain-ticket-be-unbeatable/368331/63 "2006-08-13T13:53:30Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > …snip… > > Back to the OP: > Guiliani? I don’t think so. On 9/10/01 he was just another politician with a closet full of skeletons and serious problems with marital fidelity. Since then the only ghouls that have milked 9/11 for more political gain are Osama and Bush. If he couldn’t even stay in the batter’s box against Hillary, why step up to the plate against the likes of Kerry and Edwards and Gore? Rudy pulled out of the Senate race due to needing Cancer Treatment. I think you might have your facts a little jumbled in your head. > [@](#): > > On May 19, 2000, before the Republican primary, which he was expected to win, he withdrew his candidacy because of prostate cancer and the fallout from his relationship with his wife Donna Hanover. Giuliani admit he had an “adult relationship” with Judith Nathan, now Judith Giuliani. New York Congressman Rick Lazio replaced Giuliani as the Republican nominee and lost to Clinton. Please note the Senate race vs. Clinton had not yet begun. Jim ---
**Author:** ![What\_the](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f4b2a3/32.png) [@What\_the](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_the)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2006, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-a-giuliani-mccain-ticket-be-unbeatable/368331/64 "2006-08-13T14:09:15Z")
Giuliani/McCain is not very likely … if either got the nomination he’d be smart enough to balance the ticket and not pick another moderate. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2006, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-a-giuliani-mccain-ticket-be-unbeatable/368331/65 "2006-08-13T16:00:40Z")
> [@What Exit?](#): > > Rudy pulled out of the Senate race due to needing Cancer Treatment. I think you might have your facts a little jumbled in your head. > > Please note the Senate race vs. Clinton had not yet begun. > > Jim Not officially. Still, I remember thinking at the time, “Now what’s Hillary going to do with her other two wishes?” 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2006, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-a-giuliani-mccain-ticket-be-unbeatable/368331/66 "2006-08-13T19:05:00Z")
> [@What Exit?](#): > > You probably know that Christy Todd is campaigning nationwide to encourage the moderate Republicans to take back the party. She is as anti-RR as any Dem at this point and far more then jerks like Lieberman. I like her, but she was not a great governor, hopefully she will prove to be a great party organizer. > > Jim My understanding is she parted ways with the elimination of filtered smoke stacks on coal powered electric plants. It is proven technology that Cinton s group ,through lawsuits ,were forcing plants to do. The crap spurting out has contributed ,and some say caused, to many emphazema problems. Sickness and death has been put in the thousands. The courts had ruled the coal plants had to clean up. hen Bush got in they stopped evrything in its tracks and reversed rulings. They stopped hundreds of lawsuits forcing them to clean up. So if you and your children are sucking on inhalers .You will continue to do so. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2006, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-a-giuliani-mccain-ticket-be-unbeatable/368331/67 "2006-08-13T19:13:45Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > My understanding is she parted ways with the elimination of filtered smoke stacks on coal powered electric plants. It is proven technology that Cinton s group ,through lawsuits ,were forcing plants to do. The crap spurting out has contributed ,and some say caused, to many emphazema problems. Sickness and death has been put in the thousands. The courts had ruled the coal plants had to clean up. hen Bush got in they stopped evrything in its tracks and reversed rulings. They stopped hundreds of lawsuits forcing them to clean up. So if you and your children are sucking on inhalers .You will continue to do so. I am having troubles interpreting your post. Just to make sure: \*\*She resigned from her position in the Bush administration over strong differences of opinion over running the EPA. \*\* Jim ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2006, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-a-giuliani-mccain-ticket-be-unbeatable/368331/68 "2006-08-13T19:16:08Z")
> [@What the .... ?!?!](#): > > Giuliani/McCain is not very likely … if either got the nomination he’d be smart enough to balance the ticket and not pick another moderate. They usually balance the ticket **geographically.** (I.e., gotta have a Southerner, but only one.) When’s the last time a ticket was balanced ideologically, and won? ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2006, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-a-giuliani-mccain-ticket-be-unbeatable/368331/69 "2006-08-13T19:19:16Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > They usually balance the ticket **geographically.** (I.e., gotta have a Southerner, but only one.) When’s the last time a ticket was balanced ideologically, and won? Many people consider Bush/Quayle as a Moderate and a Right Winger. Jim ---
**Author:** ![CapnPitt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/edb3f5/32.png) [@CapnPitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CapnPitt)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2006, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-a-giuliani-mccain-ticket-be-unbeatable/368331/70 "2006-08-13T19:20:41Z")
> [@AHunter3](#): > > The Republican party I could respect would be one that trots out candidates like Pete Domenici, Olympia Snowe, Rudolph Giuliani, Susan Collins, and Christine Todd Whitman when it comes time to put someone in national office. Most of the folks they’ve been fielding the last quarter-century have been frightening and threatening. Not that I’m telling you anything you don’t already know. By all means, go retake your party, the folks who control it now are fucking dangerous. > > And yeah, the Dems need a loyal opposition to keep them in check once they come back into power. All I can say is amen, brother, amen. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2006, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-a-giuliani-mccain-ticket-be-unbeatable/368331/71 "2006-08-13T19:24:42Z")
> [@What Exit?](#): > > Many people consider Bush/Quayle as a Moderate and a Right Winger. > > Jim Was Quayle (before he became VP and started the Murphy Brown flap) really known for any ideology at all? ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2006, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-a-giuliani-mccain-ticket-be-unbeatable/368331/72 "2006-08-13T19:38:05Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Was Quayle (before he became VP and started the Murphy Brown flap) really known for any ideology at all? Yes, he was known to be on the right side of the party. A social conservative was the label back then. I voted for Bush in the Primary and then got pissed when they kowtowed to the Right and added Quayle to the ticket. I voted 3rd party in the Election. Jim ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2006, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-a-giuliani-mccain-ticket-be-unbeatable/368331/73 "2006-08-13T19:41:06Z")
> [@What Exit?](#): > > Yes, he was known to be on the right side of the party. A social conservative was the label back then. I voted for Bush in the Primary and then got pissed when they kowtowed to the Right and added Quayle to the ticket. I voted 3rd party in the Election. > > Jim Which one? ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2006, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-a-giuliani-mccain-ticket-be-unbeatable/368331/74 "2006-08-13T19:55:16Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Which one? Let’s see, 1988, I voted for the Libertarian. Cannot even tell you the candidates name. It was an absentee ballot as I was in the Navy at the time. I looked it up: Ronald E. Paul who only got 431,750 votes. Jim ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2006, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-a-giuliani-mccain-ticket-be-unbeatable/368331/75 "2006-08-13T21:25:46Z")
> [@What Exit?](#): > > I looked it up: Ronald E. Paul who only got 431,750 votes. I wonder who the other 431,748 people were? 😃 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-a-giuliani-mccain-ticket-be-unbeatable/368331.md?page=3)