# Would a horse do this? **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [December 5, 2015, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-a-horse-do-this/739514 "2015-12-05T14:46:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Ornery\_Bob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/da6949/32.png) [@Ornery\_Bob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ornery_Bob)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2015, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-a-horse-do-this/739514/1 "2015-12-05T14:46:02Z")
Here’s something found on the net… [1861 Horse Care](http://www.wordorigins.org/index.php?URL=http://historicalnovelists.tripod.com/hors1861.html) _320. FOOD AND STARVATION How to make a horse stand by his food and starve to death. Grease the front teeth and roof of the mouth with common beef-tallow, and he will not eat until you wash it out; this, in conjunction with the above, will consummate a complete founder._ Could this be true? If it is, what is it about beef-tallow that would cause a horse to do this? ---
**Author:** ![Leo\_Bloom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leo_bloom/32/10377_2.png) [@Leo\_Bloom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leo_Bloom)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2015, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-a-horse-do-this/739514/2 "2015-12-05T15:14:19Z")
It would seem to me to actually stimulate salivation and then hunger. Beef tallow is just a beef-smelly fat. People do similar things with (people) invalids; I’ve done it a few times with my dog when he was too distracted to eat and I had to go out all day. ---
**Author:** ![Hello\_Again](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/85e7bf/32.png) [@Hello\_Again](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hello_Again)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2015, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-a-horse-do-this/739514/3 "2015-12-05T15:15:09Z")
Wut? No. if you put something bad tasting in a horses mouth – horses are not inclined to enjoy the taste of beef – it makes a funny face, drools a lot, licks its lips, and may be very annoyed for a half hour. After a bit of time it will eat normally. By the way, have fun trying to “grease the roof of the mouth” with tallow. Ha. This sounds like one of those “tips” that leads to a rube looking silly, and farmers laughing. I also have no idea why you would want to make a horse look foundered when he isn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Leo\_Bloom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leo_bloom/32/10377_2.png) [@Leo\_Bloom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leo_Bloom)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2015, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-a-horse-do-this/739514/4 "2015-12-05T15:23:07Z")
> [@Hello\_Again](#): > > Wut? No. if you put something bad tasting in a horses mouth – horses are not inclined to enjoy the taste of beef – … Ah. Realized I was going out on a limb there… ---
**Author:** ![Ignotus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/ecc23a/32.png) [@Ignotus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ignotus)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2015, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-a-horse-do-this/739514/5 "2015-12-05T15:26:17Z")
> [@Hello\_Again](#): > > Wut? No. if you put something bad tasting in a horses mouth – horses are not inclined to enjoy the taste of beef – it makes a funny face, drools a lot, licks its lips, and may be very annoyed for a half hour. After a bit of time it will eat normally. > > By the way, have fun trying to “grease the roof of the mouth” with tallow. Ha. This sounds like one of those “tips” that leads to a rube looking silly, and farmers laughing. > > **I also have no idea why you would want to make a horse look foundered when he isn’t.** Well, if you’re the landlord, you would presumably want to spare your oats… I call BS on this one though. Actually, ISTR I’ve read somewhere that the Mongols sometimes used a kind of pemmican (ground dried meat mixed with tallow) as a food supplement for their horses. ---
**Author:** ![jz78817](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jz78817/32/1028_2.png) [@jz78817](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jz78817)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2015, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-a-horse-do-this/739514/6 "2015-12-05T16:24:20Z")
why were people trying to starve their horses to death in 1861? ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2015, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-a-horse-do-this/739514/7 "2015-12-05T16:45:28Z")
> [@jz78817](#): > > why were people trying to starve their horses to death in 1861? They didn’t have YouTube to entertain them. I guess there might be people who might want to starve _someone else’s_ horse. But I think it sounds like BS too. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2015, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-a-horse-do-this/739514/8 "2015-12-05T16:48:32Z")
> [@jz78817](#): > > why were people trying to starve their horses to death in 1861? No internet, stripclubs closed at 5 pm, only 3 broadcast tv channels. ---
**Author:** ![bob\_2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bob_2/32/3341_2.png) [@bob\_2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bob_2)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2015, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-a-horse-do-this/739514/9 "2015-12-05T16:51:09Z")
Most of these “tips” seem very cruel to our eyes, but back then few people cared about equine welfare. I think that many of them are to do with buying and selling techniques. A seller wants to make the animal look better than it is, a buyer would want it to look bad. ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2015, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-a-horse-do-this/739514/10 "2015-12-05T16:58:00Z")
> [@bob\_2](#): > > Most of these “tips” seem very cruel to our eyes, but back then few people cared about equine welfare. I think that many of them are to do with buying and selling techniques. A seller wants to make the animal look better than it is, a buyer would want it to look bad. You mean those whose life depended on their horses? IMO they cared strongly about them and few could easily afford to lose one. ---
**Author:** ![psychonaut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/psychonaut/32/4655_2.png) [@psychonaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psychonaut)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2015, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-a-horse-do-this/739514/11 "2015-12-05T17:12:57Z")
> [@Mangetout](#): > > > [@jz78817](#): > > > > why were people trying to starve their horses to death in 1861? > > They didn’t have YouTube to entertain them. This post wins the thread. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Ornery\_Bob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/da6949/32.png) [@Ornery\_Bob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ornery_Bob)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2015, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-a-horse-do-this/739514/12 "2015-12-05T17:31:19Z")
Or perhaps in the 19th century you run an inn and you instruct your stable master to grease the teeth of your guests horses so they will avoid eating your fodder. Your guests see the food in the stall should they decide to check on their horses and none’s the wiser that you’ve made some extra profit. The question isn’t why someone would do such a thing, the question is would it work? To my mind it would be the greasiness factor, not the taste. ---
**Author:** ![Leo\_Bloom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leo_bloom/32/10377_2.png) [@Leo\_Bloom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leo_Bloom)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2015, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-a-horse-do-this/739514/13 "2015-12-05T17:55:22Z")
Some (al?) beauty queen contestants smear their teeth with fat (Vaseline) so their lips pull back and create a constant smile/grimace. [I’m trying to think of a witty comment on that tie-in but can’t. But there it is.] ---
**Author:** ![Ignotus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/ecc23a/32.png) [@Ignotus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ignotus)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2015, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-a-horse-do-this/739514/14 "2015-12-05T22:59:26Z")
> [@Ornery\_Bob](#): > > Or perhaps in the 19th century you run an inn and you instruct your stable master to grease the teeth of your guests horses so they will avoid eating your fodder. Your guests see the food in the stall should they decide to check on their horses and none’s the wiser that you’ve made some extra profit. > > The question isn’t why someone would do such a thing, the question is would it work? To my mind it would be the greasiness factor, not the taste. Exactly. And would it work? No. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2015, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-a-horse-do-this/739514/15 "2015-12-05T23:09:47Z")
Greasing a horse’s teeth and palate (especially with something the horse might find noxious) must also be quite a trick to pull off without getting your hand chomped off. A good chomp by a horse isn’t going to be a minor flesh wound. ---
**Author:** ![Hello\_Again](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/85e7bf/32.png) [@Hello\_Again](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hello_Again)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2015, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-a-horse-do-this/739514/16 "2015-12-06T02:21:45Z")
> [@bob\_2](#): > > Most of these “tips” seem very cruel to our eyes, but back then few people cared about equine welfare. I think that many of them are to do with buying and selling techniques. A seller wants to make the animal look better than it is, a buyer would want it to look bad. Just to clarify – this “tip”, along with the one just before, is intended to make a horse look like it has “founder” (laminitis) a serious lameness caused by a swelling within the foot that makes it stand in a [peculiar and distinctive](http://agriculture.vic.gov.au/__data/assets/image/0020/226451/Fig1-Founder_Laminitis_in_Horse.jpg) position with the weight on the hind legs (and refuse food). If the condition was severe, and didn’t respond to treatments then available (cold water on the hooves), it would normally be destroyed. (although Herriot once saved a foundering gypsy pony by bleeding it). Its unclear why you would want to produce the effect of a horse being very ill. ---
**Author:** ![Ignotus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/ecc23a/32.png) [@Ignotus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ignotus)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2015, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-a-horse-do-this/739514/17 "2015-12-06T02:31:56Z")
Actually, it was Siegfried who bled the horse (Herriot hadn’t the guts to do it)! Man, I love those books! ---
**Author:** ![Hello\_Again](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/85e7bf/32.png) [@Hello\_Again](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hello_Again)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2015, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-a-horse-do-this/739514/18 "2015-12-06T03:02:55Z")
> [@Ignotus](#): > > Actually, it was Siegfried who bled the horse (Herriot hadn’t the guts to do it)! > Man, I love those books! Ha! You’re right! I read them to bits, still pull them out now and again. ---
**Author:** ![dougie\_monty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@dougie\_monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougie_monty)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2015, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-a-horse-do-this/739514/19 "2015-12-06T20:02:44Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > Greasing a horse’s teeth and palate (especially with something the horse might find noxious) must also be quite a trick to pull off without getting your hand chomped off. A good chomp by a horse isn’t going to be a minor flesh wound. Yeah, somehow I don’t think the horse is going to put up with this stunt… ---
**Author:** ![Isilder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/cc9497/32.png) [@Isilder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isilder)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2015, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-a-horse-do-this/739514/20 "2015-12-06T20:45:49Z")
> [@Hello\_Again](#): > > Its unclear why you would want to produce the effect of a horse being very ill. One possible reason would be to try to keep the horse, or reduce its price, when its been left at your property, and the owner is coming to get it or get paid for it. Another is to rig the horse race, somehow. I suppose in many towns, the only man wealthy enough to act as bookmaker is also going to be a horse owner… so he’s offered 5 to 1 on his own horse , and now its the sure thing ? The beef tallow thing… Well the horse owner may have horse dentistry equipment to make it safe… it might work on some horses… it might work the opposite and the horse chows down as fast as he can to clean his mouth. The reason it might work is that horses are vegetarian and kinda know , “instinct”, not to turn carnivore… [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-a-horse-do-this/739514.md?page=2)