# Would it be logical for Jews to Avoid Buying VW and Audi Cars? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [January 17, 2005, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-it-be-logical-for-jews-to-avoid-buying-vw-and-audi-cars/285152 "2005-01-17T03:43:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2005, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-it-be-logical-for-jews-to-avoid-buying-vw-and-audi-cars/285152/21 "2005-01-17T17:36:27Z")
> [@Demorian](#): > > Um, I see no branch of actual logic that would result in such a conclusion. Holding a group of people whose previous generations had wronged them (even in such a horrific way as the Nazis) accountable isn’t logical. None of the money spent would go to Nazis, or to Hitler, or (probably) to anyone related to that in any way whatsoever. That would be like Americans refusing to… um, OK, I can’t think of a single thing we import from Britain, but it would be like us refusing to do that. > > In summary, grudges against dead people aren’t logical. I was going to say it would be like refusing to buy a Toyota because of Pearl Harbor. Not that there aren’t people who do just that, of course. ---
**Author:** ![Shade](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2bfe46/32.png) [@Shade](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shade)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2005, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-it-be-logical-for-jews-to-avoid-buying-vw-and-audi-cars/285152/22 "2005-01-17T18:34:23Z")
I can see two arguments for avoiding VWs. (1) It’s tainted money. You’re getting the benefit of the company’s unethicality, in that if it hadn’t collaberated with nazis early on, it would never be producing cars now, and you don’t want to get the benefit of that. (2) It’s a boycott. That is, you hope that enough people doing it will discourage other companies from behaving unethically in fear that they’ll be boycotted for 50 years too. But on the other hand, the company isn’t going away. Everyone involved now is as blameless as they can be. At some point people have to let it drop. ---
**Author:** ![Hostile\_Dialect](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e495f1/32.png) [@Hostile\_Dialect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hostile_Dialect)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2005, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-it-be-logical-for-jews-to-avoid-buying-vw-and-audi-cars/285152/23 "2005-01-17T19:17:14Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > and I don’t know if you can say VW got where it is today because of that. Can’t you? I seem to recall that it was Hitler’s distribution of the “people’s car” that made it so popular in Germany, which of course led to its eventual popularity in America. > [@Marley23](#): > > Even if anyone “guilty” is still around, if you punish them with a boycott you’re also punishing many more “innocent” people, especially lower-level workers. You may actually be hurting those people more, which is the problem with boycotts in general. I’ve never seen a VW boycott. A boycott is where someone goes out and galvanizes the public to stop patronizing a business. What I have seen is individual Jews deciding not to patronize Volkswagen because of that company’s history. Am I responsible for the welfare of the workers of Volkswagen? Am I _obligated_ to buy their product? I must say that if we were all truly obligated to all low-level workers in the world to the extent that people will pile on someone for choosing not to patronize a certain company, we’d go broke trying to put food on everyone’s table. I choose not to buy Volkswagen products because of its history, just like I choose not to buy diet cola because of its disgusting taste, or like I choose not to buy tickets to auto racing events because the sport doesn’t interest me. Anyway, I think of it this way: although I don’t have direct ancestors that I know of who were victims of the Holocaust, if I did, would they be happy to come back and see me driving Hitler’s Aryan “People’s Car”? Would my friends’ ancestors be happy to come back and see me driving it? I personally think they wouldn’t, and that I would shame them by doing so. You may disagree. If you do, go ahead and buy a Volkswagen. My choice is not to patronize this company. This choice is not going to bankrupt VW any time soon. You may choose to patronize the company, because you like their cars. Go right ahead. > [@Zhao Daoli](#): > > (This is, of course, assuming that the claims of VW’s complicity with the Nazi regime are true. I don’t really know anything about it.) The way I understand it, the issue is not that VW was complicit with the Nazi regime, it’s that VW was _born out of_ the Nazi regime. Volkswagen is German for “people’s car”, a Hitler-designed (IIRC) machine for all Aryans. > [@Kimstu](#): > > If consumers, Jewish or otherwise, are concerned about supporting companies with ties to oppressive regimes, wouldn’t it be more logical for them to focus first on companies that are currently linked to oppressive regimes? Yes. But we (Jews who decide not to buy Volkswagen products) are not concerned about supporting companies with ties to oppressive regimes; we just don’t want to support Volkswagen because of its roots in a particular oppressive regime. The Nazis killed six million of my people, and I’m not allowed to not buy their car? (I’m not boycotting them, by the way, I’m just choosing not to give them my money; I don’t go around telling other people not to buy their car, I don’t give a damn what other people drive.) I’m sure lots of people choose not to purchase VWs because they don’t like the way the cars look, or because they don’t like the price, or because they prefer (for example) Chevrolet. Are we going to start big discussions about whether it’s logical for them to not buy VWs and call them oversensitive and say “Well, why don’t you decide not to buy Ford Tauruses instead, because they’re uglier!”? My point is this: We’re talking about people who individually make decisions not to patronize a certain company. We’re _not_ talking about a boycott, which is where people go out and galvanize the public to destroy a company financially. Lots of people–each and every one of you included–make similar decisions (not to patronize certain companies) every single day, for one reason or another. I’m not about to pit (or even GD) any one of you for any of those. I should hope I can expect the same decency from all of you. > [@Shade](#): > > But on the other hand, the company isn’t going away. That’s the idea. They’re doing great without my money, so I don’t feel the least bad about not giving it to them. > [@Shade](#): > > Everyone involved now is as blameless as they can be. At some point people have to let it drop. No, we don’t. I’m not going to forget the six million of my people (a little more than two Chicagos, or the current Jewish population of Israel) who died, ever. I’ve gone to Yad Vashem, the Holocaust memorial in Jerusalem, and had myself a good cry, and I plan to do it again and again as often as is feasible, because we can never forget what happened. We can’t forget other injustices laid upon people, either, but it so happens that this particular one strikes a chord in my heart because it aimed to wipe out my people and, indeed, made significant gains toward that end. Because of my heritage, I’m personally not comfortable with supporting a company which had a stake in that. That’s my decision. You can go ahead and not buy certain bananas because you don’t want to support Castro, or not buy this or that for whatever reason you like. I choose not to buy this product. You can go ahead and buy a VW if you want to; I’m not going to think any differently of you or call you a Nazi supporter. I just don’t feel comfortable buying that product, so I don’t buy it. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2005, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-it-be-logical-for-jews-to-avoid-buying-vw-and-audi-cars/285152/24 "2005-01-17T19:42:27Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > I was going to say it would be like refusing to buy a Toyota because of Pearl Harbor. Not that there aren’t people who do just that, of course. “Last time I was that close to a Japanese machine, it was shooting at me.” - Red Foreman ---
**Author:** ![Hostile\_Dialect](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e495f1/32.png) [@Hostile\_Dialect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hostile_Dialect)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2005, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-it-be-logical-for-jews-to-avoid-buying-vw-and-audi-cars/285152/25 "2005-01-17T19:46:06Z")
> [@Bryan Ekers](#): > > “Last time I was that close to a Japanese machine, it was shooting at me.” - Red Foreman Red Foreman was in WWII? As a T7S fan, I totally missed this. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2005, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-it-be-logical-for-jews-to-avoid-buying-vw-and-audi-cars/285152/26 "2005-01-17T20:00:40Z")
> [@fetus](#): > > Red Foreman was in WWII? As a T7S fan, I totally missed this. It was a throwaway gag in the first episode, during a discussion of then-novel Japanese imported cars. I don’t think they’ve made a big deal about it, but if you assume Red was 51 or 52 in 1978, he’s just barely old enough to have seen action in the Pacific. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2005, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-it-be-logical-for-jews-to-avoid-buying-vw-and-audi-cars/285152/27 "2005-01-17T20:04:09Z")
Well, maybe 53 or 54. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2005, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-it-be-logical-for-jews-to-avoid-buying-vw-and-audi-cars/285152/28 "2005-01-17T21:26:12Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > The Germans make the best cars in the world. We should punish ourselves by not buying them? Note that CR (and others) has noted a large drop in quality and reliability in the VW line in the last few years. ---
**Author:** ![baronsabato](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ed655f/32.png) [@baronsabato](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/baronsabato)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2005, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-it-be-logical-for-jews-to-avoid-buying-vw-and-audi-cars/285152/29 "2005-01-17T21:49:58Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > I was going to say it would be like refusing to buy a Toyota because of Pearl Harbor. Not that there aren’t people who do just that, of course. My grandparents, who are Chinese and saw some of the worst atrocities committed by the Japanese during WWII, still refuse to buy Japanese products. They know it’s illogical, but they just can’t purchase anything made by the Japanese. Since its based on emotional and psychological trauma caused by the war, I can’t really blame them. ---
**Author:** ![ralph124c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8797f3/32.png) [@ralph124c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ralph124c)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2005, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-it-be-logical-for-jews-to-avoid-buying-vw-and-audi-cars/285152/30 "2005-01-17T22:16:02Z")
Interesting that VW is still in the news! Well, for one thing, Volkswagen Werke got its start via a scam. Hitler had Dr. Ferdinand Porshe design the original VW “beetle” …and Porshe actually stole the design from the Czech firm Skoda! The german people were shown the car (prototypes were driven around germany, with der Fuhrer ridng in them. The deal was this: you had to place a $300 deposit to secure your car. When the firm had collected sufficient capital, a factory would be built, workers hired, and VW would be in production, Then, you would get your car! Only it didn’t work out this way-the german government used the funds collected to build tanks…and then 1939 rolled around and WWII came! VW emerged from the war with little more than the original plans. they did make the cars…I don’t know if the original depositors got their cars! ---
**Author:** ![elmwood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmwood/32/3060_2.png) [@elmwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elmwood)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2005, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-it-be-logical-for-jews-to-avoid-buying-vw-and-audi-cars/285152/31 "2005-01-17T22:20:02Z")
My father is a conservative Jew, and he’s a Ford Man, despite the anti-Semitic beliefs of the company’s founder. He owned a VW Bus in the early 1960s. I’ve owned two Volkswagens with no protest from him or those on the “Jewish side” of my family. ---
**Author:** ![badmana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@badmana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/badmana)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2005, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-it-be-logical-for-jews-to-avoid-buying-vw-and-audi-cars/285152/32 "2005-01-17T23:19:58Z")
> [@baronsabato](#): > > My grandparents, who are Chinese and saw some of the worst atrocities committed by the Japanese during WWII, still refuse to buy Japanese products. They know it’s illogical, but they just can’t purchase anything made by the Japanese. Since its based on emotional and psychological trauma caused by the war, I can’t really blame them. But where does it end? I understand it’s psychological and not logical but shouldn’t we (in general) avoid Chinese made anything due to various atrocities caused by the Chinese government? Or avoid Russian err, whatever Russians make over it’s murder of millions of other Russians? Does this mean the middle east should avoid US-made products over the Iraq war? ---
**Author:** ![villa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/bc79bd/32.png) [@villa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/villa)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2005, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-it-be-logical-for-jews-to-avoid-buying-vw-and-audi-cars/285152/33 "2005-01-18T03:10:13Z")
With the Japanese, I have spoken to people who say it will end on their part when the Japanese government acknowledges they were mistreated as PoWs and apologizes. ---
**Author:** ![blowero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/41988e/32.png) [@blowero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blowero)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2005, 7:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-it-be-logical-for-jews-to-avoid-buying-vw-and-audi-cars/285152/34 "2005-01-18T07:45:52Z")
> [@UDS](#): > > It’s true that public companies have no control over who buys their shares, but so what? If I don’t like the shareholders of a company and wish to disadvantage them, for whatever reason, it is perfectly rational of me to do what I can to damage the commercial interests of the company. I’d say it’s debatable whether that’s “perfectly rational”. Assuming we’re talking about a perfectly respectable company, I don’t see the logic in punishing the company in order to indirectly try to get at a particular stockholder, when it isn’t up to the company whether that person owns the stock. Why should they be punished for something that’s out of their control? > [@](#): > > The purpose of a boycott of any company is to disadvantage the shareholders, and the fact that the company didn’t pick its own shareholders is irrelevant.) No it’s not. The purpose of a boycott is to affect a company that _engages in evil practices_, to either try to leverage them to change their practices, or put them out of business. If the company isn’t doing anything wrong, boycotting is stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2005, 8:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-it-be-logical-for-jews-to-avoid-buying-vw-and-audi-cars/285152/35 "2005-01-18T08:07:46Z")
> [@fetus](#): > > Can’t you? I seem to recall that it was Hitler’s distribution of the “people’s car” that made it so popular in Germany, which of course led to its eventual popularity in America. You’re wrong. [Read **kellner** ’s post #15.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=5728050&postcount=15) > [@](#): > > I’ve never seen a VW boycott. A boycott is where someone goes out and galvanizes the public to stop patronizing a business. What I have seen is individual Jews deciding not to patronize Volkswagen because of that company’s history. You’re right as far as I know, though there may have been some. It strikes me as a distinction without a difference in this case. > [@](#): > > Am I responsible for the welfare of the workers of Volkswagen? Am I _obligated_ to buy their product? I’d be pretty fucking stupid if I was actually arguing this, wouldn’t I? You ARE responsible when you take an action that you know will harm innocent people. You’re hurting them only marginally, but you’re still acting irrationally. This is not the same as when you opt not to buy a company’s products because you don’t like the product. I do plenty of that too. That’s a decision based on your personal tastes. It’s rational not to buy something you don’t want to buy. It’s not rational to boycott a company for something done by people no longer involved with it in any way. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2005, 9:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-it-be-logical-for-jews-to-avoid-buying-vw-and-audi-cars/285152/36 "2005-01-18T09:45:58Z")
Blowero and Marley23: ``` So your belief is that, so long as a company has stopped engaging in whatever unethical practice it was engaging in, it should not be subject to shunning from customers? Would it be different if the company had only stopped recently, say last year? Is it a matter of what percentage of present employees were there during the unethical actions? If we think of a company as a collection of people (rather than an ethical agent itself), can we ever punish a company? (Since such punishment will always affect more people than were directly responsible for the crime) I don't mean those as rhetorical questions. I don't have a strong intuitions either way. In the example of VW, I generally agree with you guys that a boycott isn't a sensible action (not sure whether that makes it illogical, but that's neither here not there). But I think the debate has transcended the example. ``` ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2005, 11:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-it-be-logical-for-jews-to-avoid-buying-vw-and-audi-cars/285152/37 "2005-01-18T11:01:07Z")
**ZD:** \*So your belief is that, so long as a company has stopped engaging in whatever unethical practice it was engaging in, it should not be subject to shunning from customers? \* Well, isn’t that kind of the point of shunning it in the first place? In order to pressure it to stop engaging in unethical practices? If we just want to shun a company that isn’t doing anything wrong in order to vent our resentment for wrong actions that it stopped doing long ago or never did in the first place, as in **fetus** ’s case, that’s our right, of course. In **fetus** ’s case, it sounds as though s/he’s still mad at the Nazis (with perfect justice) and is taking it out on Volkswagen as an expression of irrational visceral resentment. There’s no **logical** reason to single out Volkswagen rather than any of the other companies that had ties to the early Nazi regime, such as some [American automakers](http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/daily/nov98/nazicars30.htm): > [@](#): > > The relationship of Ford and GM to the Nazi regime goes back to the 1920s and 1930s, when the American car companies competed against each other for access to the lucrative German market. Hitler was an admirer of American mass production techniques and an avid reader of the antisemitic tracts penned by Henry Ford. “I regard Henry Ford as my inspiration,” Hitler told a Detroit News reporter two years before becoming the German chancellor in 1933, explaining why he kept a life-size portrait of the American automaker next to his desk. > > Although Ford later renounced his antisemitic writings, he remained an admirer of Nazi Germany and sought to keep America out of the coming war. In July 1938, four months after the German annexation of Austria, he accepted the highest medal that Nazi Germany could bestow on a foreigner, the Grand Cross of the German Eagle. The following month, a senior executive for General Motors, James Mooney, received a similar medal for his “distinguished service to the Reich.” Or perhaps IBM for its connections with data processing in Holocaust [concentration camps](http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,41222,00.asp): > [@](#): > > “IBM had a close contact with its German subsidiary throughout the thirties and forties. What the lawsuit focuses on is IBM’s conduct and knowledge with respect to the placement and usage of its technology and machines in concentration camps,” Hausfeld says. > > “IBM continued to provide the machinery and know-how through at least 1943,” he says. The suit names IBM’s longtime president, the late Thomas J. Watson, saying he closely oversaw IBM’s German operations, and citing his “complicit participation in the [Nazi Third] Reich’s agenda.” Again, if anybody wants to arbitrarily pick Volkswagen or any other individual company to be shunned as a scapegoat for their resentment of the Nazis, that’s their business, and I wouldn’t argue with them. But for people who refuse to patronize unethical companies as a matter of principle and logic—because they want to use their consumer decisions to influence companies toward more ethical behavior—it obviously makes no sense to go on shunning a company that has stopped its involvement in unethical activities. Indeed, it would be counterproductive: if a company can’t get its lost business back by changing the behavior that its former customers are objecting to, what incentive are they providing for the company to change? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2005, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-it-be-logical-for-jews-to-avoid-buying-vw-and-audi-cars/285152/38 "2005-01-18T12:30:08Z")
> [@Zhao Daoli](#): > > So your belief is that, so long as a company has stopped engaging in whatever unethical practice it was engaging in, it should not be subject to shunning from customers? I’m going to agree with **Kimstu**. If your purpose is revenge instead of stopping the company from behaving unethically, then I guess it’s okay to press on, but once you are confident that the company is behaving ethically, I don’t see why it should be shunned. > [@](#): > > Would it be different if the company had only stopped recently, say last year? Is it a matter of what percentage of present employees were there during the unethical actions? I don’t think it’s a question of time. Whether or not the people who were responsible for the unethical actions are still present or in a position to profit from them is more important. Again, your purpose in avoiding the company is important, and your confidence that the company is no longer committing misdeeds or profiting from them is, too. > [@](#): > > If we think of a company as a collection of people (rather than an ethical agent itself), can we ever punish a company? (Since such punishment will always affect more people than were directly responsible for the crime) A company is both, and I guess the key question is what you want to accomplish. I know that the anti-sweatshop movement, for example, is moving away from boycotts: their ultimately goal is to help people they feel are being taken advantage of, so boycotting - which, if it is successful in penalizing companies that are taking advantage of their workers, might cause the company to fire those workers, thus leaving them even worse off - is a bad idea. ---
**Author:** ![don\_t\_ask](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e68b1a/32.png) [@don\_t\_ask](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/don_t_ask)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2005, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-it-be-logical-for-jews-to-avoid-buying-vw-and-audi-cars/285152/39 "2005-01-18T12:45:33Z")
I can clearly remember, as a child, being at an adult party where one of my parents’ friends was talking with a group of people and I was seated nearby. I knew that he had been a POW in WWII and had suffered badly at the hands of the Japanese (maybe I had been forewarned ??). Someone mentioned a Japanese manufacturer and he instantly stated that no Japanese made product would ever enter his house. His conviction was so absolute that I can remember looking up at him and “understanding” how he felt. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2005, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-it-be-logical-for-jews-to-avoid-buying-vw-and-audi-cars/285152/40 "2005-01-18T14:39:04Z")
> [@Binky\_Rudich](#): > > So would it be logical for Jewish people to avoid giving this company business? It would be about as logical for blacks in the western hemisphere to avoid sugar, tobacco, and cotton. Terrible things happened a long time ago and there comes a point where you just need to let it go. For the most part we’ve punished those responsible, or they died, and there’s no need to keep punishing people who are innocent. Marc [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-it-be-logical-for-jews-to-avoid-buying-vw-and-audi-cars/285152.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-it-be-logical-for-jews-to-avoid-buying-vw-and-audi-cars/285152.md?page=3)