# Would producing a birth certificate do any good? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 12, 2011, 9:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-producing-a-birth-certificate-do-any-good/571117 "2011-02-12T09:56:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2011, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-producing-a-birth-certificate-do-any-good/571117/201 "2011-02-14T06:01:23Z")
_All of them_. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2011, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-producing-a-birth-certificate-do-any-good/571117/202 "2011-02-14T06:03:44Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Neither Media Matters nor Mike Evans are who I quoted. All the info I just posted comes from ABC News’ website, as per **China Guy’s** link. So I’ll still be waiting for either that apology or that cookie, but of course if you want to demonstrate absolutely sterling character, you could provide both. 🙂 The apology you demanded was from past assertions that had nothing to do with the ABC report. So, no cookie or apology. But yeah, there is a thread in GD where another “I’m not a birther” \*\*Chen019 \*\*did post a cite referring to that hoax. And it is clear that that hoax is the reason why we are getting shuch an eruption of birthers and even more silly wanna be birthers. Your select quotes from the ABC article riffed on that hoax and it tripped me, so you get a cookie at least. Now, lets see if you stop befriending these losers and stop “just asking questions” about this subject that makes the conservatives look silly.. On second thought, just continue. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Champion-of-Truth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecccb3/32.png) [@Champion-of-Truth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Champion-of-Truth)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2011, 6:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-producing-a-birth-certificate-do-any-good/571117/203 "2011-02-14T06:05:08Z")
Diogenes, you’re a total imbecile. I mean, we already knew that, but your latest nonsense confirms it once more: > [@](#): > > No, it’s absolutely race. This ridiculous conspiracy theory would never exist if he was white. I know stupid libtards like yourself, who always claim to be “colorblind” and who “worship diversity” prefer to make it about race, but it is not about race. I get that bullshit false accusation a lot. And as I say, I would vote for Alan Keyes or Herman Cain in a heartbeat, and both are black. Not mulattoes like Obama, but BLACK. And I would be screaming just as loudly about the issue had it been McCain or any other white candidate in this situation. You can always sniff out a stupid, uninformed, ignorant liberal, because they ALWAYS take the easy way out and blame it on race. Note that one of Obama’s most vociferous detractors about the birth issue is Reverend Manning, a BLACK man who held a civilian court indicting Obama. Gigobuster babbles on with more misinformation: > [@](#): > > It already transpired through the legal system, the birthers lost all their cases. False. There are still several cases still going forward. Orly Taitz has one currently going concerning his social security number, and another about his birth certificate, and I believe one or two others. Several other attorneys also have ongoing cases. Here is a link to the first one I mentioned, by Orly Taitz: > [@](#): > > [WorldNetDaily](http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=261033) Gary Kreep has one going as well: > [@](#): > > [http://usjf.net/](http://usjf.net/) So does Philip Berg: > [@](#): > > [http://obamacrimes.com/](http://obamacrimes.com/) Once again, you lie. As liberals usually do. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2011, 6:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-producing-a-birth-certificate-do-any-good/571117/204 "2011-02-14T06:05:59Z")
> [@Champion-of-Truth](#): > > …I read a comment on some site I can’t remember, where someone claimed to have heard from someone “connected” that an old fashioned typewriter had been purchased by someone in Obama’s clique of co-conspirators, and a printer from 1961 … This is a solid evidence as we’ve seen from you. Compelling. Especially the part about the 1961 printer. Was that one of those old-fasioned laser printers with the hand crank? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2011, 6:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-producing-a-birth-certificate-do-any-good/571117/205 "2011-02-14T06:10:38Z")
> [@Champion-of-Truth](#): > > I for one need to know how and why he’s using the social security number of a man born in 1890 and registered in Connecticut. You have my deepest sympathy. Long term aphasia is a terrible burden, because your brain and your mouth seem to be totally disconnected and you end up spouting total gibberish. ---
**Author:** ![Champion-of-Truth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecccb3/32.png) [@Champion-of-Truth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Champion-of-Truth)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2011, 6:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-producing-a-birth-certificate-do-any-good/571117/206 "2011-02-14T06:11:12Z")
Kaylasdad99 wrote: > [@](#): > > What I find notable, though, is the fact that the “Obama-is-ineligible” contingent cavils that the document being released since 2009 is labeled _not_ as a “birth certificate,” but as a COLB, or “certificate of live birth.” And I find it funny that this is how the so-called “long form” birth certificate is labeled. You need glasses. Here is the link you posted: [http://www.tommcmahon.net/2009/08/what-an-original-1961-longform-birth-certificate-from-the-state-of-hawaii-looks-like.html](http://www.tommcmahon.net/2009/08/what-an-original-1961-longform-birth-certificate-from-the-state-of-hawaii-looks-like.html) That is a CERTIFICATE of Live Birth. What Obama “released”, as view by [Factcheck.org](http://Factcheck.org), is a CERTIFICATION of Live Birth. Just read the top of the paper: [http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born\_in\_the\_usa.html](http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html) CERTIFICATE and CERTIFICATION are two very different documents. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2011, 6:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-producing-a-birth-certificate-do-any-good/571117/207 "2011-02-14T06:11:24Z")
> [@Champion-of-Truth](#): > > Gigobuster babbles on with more misinformation: > > False. There are still several cases still going forward. Orly Taitz has one currently going concerning his social security number, and another about his birth certificate, and I believe one or two others. Several other attorneys also have ongoing cases. Here is a link to the first one I mentioned, by Orly Taitz: > > Gary Kreep has one going as well: > > So does Philip Berg: > > Once again, you lie. As liberals usually do. Meh, they will still lose as always. Orly Taitz has already been found to be a crank several times before and this and the other cases are bound to the same end, dismissal or to failure. The sad thing is that even acknowledging for your findings the fact remains that overwelmingly they lost the cases or the courts dismissed the birther cases and the courts are losing patience with the “continue to beat the dead horse” proponents. ---
**Author:** ![Champion-of-Truth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecccb3/32.png) [@Champion-of-Truth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Champion-of-Truth)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2011, 6:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-producing-a-birth-certificate-do-any-good/571117/208 "2011-02-14T06:14:38Z")
Some dumbass…oh, wait, of course it was Elucidator, wrote: > [@](#): > > This is a solid evidence as we’ve seen from you. Compelling. Especially the part about the 1961 printer. Was that one of those old-fasioned laser printers with the hand crank? As is typical of liberals like yourself, you don’t quote the entire statement and take it out of context so as to warp what was actually said. Here is my next sentence after talking about the rumor: > [@](#): > > To me, that’s just internet rumor and unverifiable conspiracy theory, Liberals are just not worth talking to. They are literally too stupid and dishonest. Used car salesmen are more honest and reputable! ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2011, 6:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-producing-a-birth-certificate-do-any-good/571117/209 "2011-02-14T06:17:35Z")
I’m aware that an original document always remains with the state. As it happens I had occasion to get a copy of my daughter’s birth certificate about a year and a half ago and I know that what I got was not the original document. What I did not know however is that the original document contains information not on the certified copy a person gets when they request a copy of their birth certificate. And with regard to the long form itself, the ABC News article, plus the included quote from Orly Taitz, who, despite her acknowledged status as a wingnut is still an attorney, both claim that Obama’s original birth documentation exists in “long form” form. Prior to this thread I’ve never heard it mentioned (though admittedly I haven’t looked into it) that there is no such thing as long form birth documentation. So I’m wondering where you got your information. > [@GIGObuster](#): > > The apology you demanded was from past assertions that had nothing to do with the ABC report. Not so. I was asking (remember, I gave you a choice between apologizing or stating that the ABC News report amounted to wingnuttery. You appear to be unwilling to commit either way) for an apology for having been insulted as a result of mentioning long form birth certificates, for the apparent difficulty in locating the original form, and for suggesting that Obama should make an effort to have the original released to the public. These are the things I said which the ABC News report supports, and so they are the things I’m requesting an apology for. You should stop dancing on the head of a pin and simply offer it. ---
**Author:** ![Champion-of-Truth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecccb3/32.png) [@Champion-of-Truth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Champion-of-Truth)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2011, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-producing-a-birth-certificate-do-any-good/571117/210 "2011-02-14T06:19:52Z")
Blowjob2.0 wrote: > [@](#): > > It’s the weirdest thing. > > A teenaged girl, facing her first pregnancy, leaves behind her parents, friends, familiar surroundings, a modern American hospital, and family doctor, at the potentially most perilous time. > > Buys a very expensive plane ticket. Does nearly 24 hours of air travel. For what? Why? Where could the money have come from? > > If this was a fucking conspiracy, the masterminds would make damn sure their Manchurian candidate was born in the US. It’s not at all hard to arrange. I’m sure there were children born to actual Soviet spies in deep cover, on US soil. > > I’m just now reading Thomas Frank’s _What’s the Matter with Kansas_. The Birthers are the epitome of white folks who persistently vote against their own interests, and are perpetually angry. What is it with liberals and their bizarro assumptions? Do you people actually believe that the people you call “birthers” actually think that Obama’s mama went through getting him illegally registered because she planned on him being president one day? The very idea of a black man ever becoming president in 1961 was unthinkable. No one would ever have thought it possible. No, she probably just wanted what all illegals want…to have her son enjoy the fruits and benefits of being an American citizen. No more, no less. Stupid liberals and their bizarre conspiracy theories. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Champion-of-Truth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecccb3/32.png) [@Champion-of-Truth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Champion-of-Truth)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2011, 6:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-producing-a-birth-certificate-do-any-good/571117/211 "2011-02-14T06:22:23Z")
The idiot liberals are swarming like horseflies! Steve MB babbled: > [@](#): > > Let the record show that **Starving Artist** endorses Presidential lawlessness and abuse of power. Uh, news flash, bozo… Obama can legally release his birth certificate, as can any other (supposed) citizen. That’s not an act of “presidential lawlessness” or an “abuse of power”. Obama, like anyone else, can legally release his (assuming it even exists!) long form birth certificate. It has nothing to do with presidential abuse. Good lord it’s literally talking to the terminally brain dead! ---
**Author:** ![TravisFromOR](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cc9497/32.png) [@TravisFromOR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TravisFromOR)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2011, 6:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-producing-a-birth-certificate-do-any-good/571117/212 "2011-02-14T06:23:16Z")
> [@Champion-of-Truth](#): > > No, she probably just wanted what all illegals want…to have her son enjoy the fruits and benefits of being an American citizen. Newsflash, dumbass, his mother wasn’t illegal. She was a fucking citizen. Barrack would have been a fucking citizen. Are you really that daft? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2011, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-producing-a-birth-certificate-do-any-good/571117/213 "2011-02-14T06:24:52Z")
> [@Champion-of-Truth](#): > > False. There are still several cases still going forward. Orly Taitz has one currently going concerning his social security number, and another about his birth certificate, and I believe one or two others. Several other attorneys also have ongoing cases. Here is a link to the first one I mentioned, by Orly Taitz: That’s not a “case going forward”. That’s a new complaint she filed seven days ago. Taitz has filed about a dozen of these things, all of which have been thrown out- [and got her a $20,000 fine for wasting court time with frivolous suits.](http://www.scotusblog.com/2010/08/birther-lawyer-rebuffed) > [@](#): > > Gary Kreep has one going as well: Kreep took over that suit from Orly Taitz, and [it was dismissed](http://www.scribd.com/doc/21808122/Judge-Carter-Ruling-on-MTD?autodown=txt). An appeal is on the Ninth Circuit’s docket and will be denied. > [@](#): > > So does Philip Berg: Berg’s lawsuit was dismissed in 2008 and [the dismissal was upheld on appeal](http://www.ca3.uscourts.gov/opinarch/084340p.pdf). > [@](#): > > Once again, you lie. As liberals usually do. Even if that were true, there’s no reason to lie when the facts are on your side. I await your apology to **GIGObuster**. ---
**Author:** ![Champion-of-Truth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecccb3/32.png) [@Champion-of-Truth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Champion-of-Truth)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2011, 6:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-producing-a-birth-certificate-do-any-good/571117/214 "2011-02-14T06:26:32Z")
Travis wrote: > [@](#): > > Newsflash, dumbass, his mother wasn’t illegal. She was a fucking citizen. Barrack would have been a fucking citizen. Are you really that daft? I never said she was an illegal, I said she wanted what all illegals want, in other words, the same thing all the illegal aliens want. Good lord, it’s like pulling teeth! ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2011, 6:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-producing-a-birth-certificate-do-any-good/571117/215 "2011-02-14T06:27:46Z")
> [@Champion-of-Truth](#): > > No, she probably just wanted what all illegals want…to have her son enjoy the fruits and benefits of being an American citizen. No more, no less. Stupid liberals and their bizarre conspiracy theories. :rolleyes: If that’s what she wanted, wouldn’t the easiest way to get it be to just give birth in Hawaii? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2011, 6:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-producing-a-birth-certificate-do-any-good/571117/216 "2011-02-14T06:28:40Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > And with regard to the long form itself, the ABC News article, plus the included quote from Orly Taitz, who, despite her acknowledged status as a wingnut is still an attorney, both claim that Obama’s original birth documentation exists in “long form” form. And she lost her case regarding that issue, if you check what she is doing now, she is reduced now to be a “Social-Number-Securither”. 🙂 > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Not so. I was asking (remember, I gave you a choice between apologizing or stating that the ABC News report amounted to wingnuttery. You appear to be unwilling to commit either way) for an apology for having been insulted as a result of mentioning long form birth certificates, for the apparent difficulty in locating the original form, and for suggesting that Obama should make an effort to have the original released to the public. These are the things I said which the ABC News report supports, and so they are the things I’m requesting an apology for. > > You should stop dancing on the head of a pin and simply offer it. I thought I made already clear that I was mistaken in referring to the wignuttery of the ABC article, I was actually referring to the overall picture and to a poster that had just made a similarly worded post dealing with the hoax I referred to on Great Debates. But, seeing that you continue with the “just questions” act one wonders what good any further acknowledgments of getting one bit wrong will do. ---
**Author:** ![TravisFromOR](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cc9497/32.png) [@TravisFromOR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TravisFromOR)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2011, 6:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-producing-a-birth-certificate-do-any-good/571117/217 "2011-02-14T06:29:35Z")
> [@Champion-of-Truth](#): > > Travis wrote: > > I never said she was an illegal, I said she wanted what all illegals want, in other words, the same thing all the illegal aliens want. Good lord, it’s like pulling teeth! Except you said she faked everything to get him the stuff he would have gotten anyway. I had doubts before, but you’ve just confirmed it–you are the stupidest person I’ve ever met. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2011, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-producing-a-birth-certificate-do-any-good/571117/218 "2011-02-14T06:30:15Z")
> [@Champion-of-Truth](#): > > Obama can legally release his birth certificate, as can any other (supposed) citizen. Would you mind posting some documentary evidence of that? Thanks so much. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2011, 6:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-producing-a-birth-certificate-do-any-good/571117/219 "2011-02-14T06:31:42Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > Let the record show that **Starving Artist** endorses Presidential lawlessness and abuse of power. As stated in the ABC News report, Chris Matthews also questioned why Obama doesn’t release the original document. Now maybe that is contrary to Hawaiian law, and maybe it isn’t. I don’t know. But what I do know is that you’re unlikely to assign the same motives to Matthews’ statement as you do to mine, yet they’re virtually identical. So unless you’re willing to attribute the same malice to Chris Matthews as you do to me, I suggest you owe me an apology as well. ---
**Author:** ![Champion-of-Truth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecccb3/32.png) [@Champion-of-Truth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Champion-of-Truth)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2011, 6:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-producing-a-birth-certificate-do-any-good/571117/220 "2011-02-14T06:33:19Z")
Robot Arm wrote: > [@](#): > > If that’s what she wanted, wouldn’t the easiest way to get it be to just give birth in Hawaii? Obama’s father could not pass citizenship to Obama, since he was a British citizen. Obama’s mother could not pass citizenship since at the time, if only one parent was a citizen, that parent must have lived in the USA for at least 10 years, at least 5 of which had to have been after the age of 16, meaning she had to have been 21 to have passed citizenship to him. This is why it needs a major investigation and court hearing. Let the Supreme Court hear the case, have the evidence presented (the long form birth certificate, social security records, etc), and allow experts to examine the evidence and lawyers try the case. These problems will NEVER go away until that is done. Period. There are so many conflicting facts and dead ends and false starts and contradictions and outright lies that it sends up a huge red flag that something isn’t kosher. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-producing-a-birth-certificate-do-any-good/571117.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-producing-a-birth-certificate-do-any-good/571117.md?page=12)