# Would producing a birth certificate do any good? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 12, 2011, 9:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-producing-a-birth-certificate-do-any-good/571117 "2011-02-12T09:56:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-producing-a-birth-certificate-do-any-good/571117/21 "2011-02-12T23:55:23Z")
I think he meant to say “not a natural born citizen.” That is, after all, the birthers’ stance to which he’s referring and, of course, mocking. Yeah, I’m with you on the inability to fathom how anyone can believe the birthers’ banalities, the truthers’ tiresomeness, the lunar landing loon’s lunacies, and the assassination asses’ asininities. I think for those clowders of clowns, any or all of those “ideas” are religion to them. ---
**Author:** ![Mince](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecd19e/32.png) [@Mince](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mince)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2011, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-producing-a-birth-certificate-do-any-good/571117/22 "2011-02-13T00:05:10Z")
> [@TravisFromOR](#): > > Would producing a birth certificate do any good? > > Or, would the shit-for-brains birthers just claim it was a fake? Would they? They already have, almost exclusively. ---
**Author:** ![Kolga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e56c9b/32.png) [@Kolga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolga)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2011, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-producing-a-birth-certificate-do-any-good/571117/23 "2011-02-13T00:05:27Z")
> [@TravisFromOR](#): > > Would producing a birth certificate do any good? > > Or, would the shit-for-brains birthers just claim it was a fake? If it were you, or me, or anyone else of any ethnicity, our birth certificate production would be fine. But you’re dealing with people for whom this: > [@madmonk28](#): > > Basically, they just don’t like having a black president. Nothing is going to change that. is their primary issue. If Obama hadn’t won, and had remained a Senator from Illinois, they wouldn’t give a shit and wouldn’t be asking for his birth certificate then. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2011, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-producing-a-birth-certificate-do-any-good/571117/24 "2011-02-13T00:11:06Z")
**Kolga** : I believe you’ve hit the nail on the head. Look at the stupid “charges” against certain candidates for presidencey: Kennedy - Catholic; “Will take orders from the Vatican.” Romney - Mormon; “Will take orders from Salt Lake City.” Obama - Protestant Christian; Oops, they can’t whine about that. Black; Oops, can’t whine about that. Foreign (i.e.; not European, specifically, not English European) name, so, “He must be (a) Muslim, (b) foreigner, or © both Muslim and foreign!” All of that is sheer stupidity, yet these clowns toss it out as though it’s all a pile of gold. ---
**Author:** ![Heyoka13](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Heyoka13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heyoka13)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2011, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-producing-a-birth-certificate-do-any-good/571117/25 "2011-02-13T00:14:56Z")
Probably a dumb question, but here goes; what in the way of birth certificates do other Hawaiians have that were born the same year as Obama? Seems like at least one other person in Hawaii born that year might have had to produce one to get a drivers license, or a passport, or a life insurance policy, just curious what their’s looks like . . . . ---
**Author:** ![Mince](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecd19e/32.png) [@Mince](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mince)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2011, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-producing-a-birth-certificate-do-any-good/571117/26 "2011-02-13T00:17:01Z")
> [@Kolga](#): > > If Obama hadn’t won, and had remained a Senator from Illinois, they wouldn’t give a shit and wouldn’t be asking for his birth certificate then. Of course; in that situation, one doesn’t have to be a natural born citizen, merely a recent one. There’d be no reason to ask. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2011, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-producing-a-birth-certificate-do-any-good/571117/27 "2011-02-13T00:27:25Z")
> [@Mince](#): > > Of course; in that situation, one doesn’t have to be a natural born citizen, merely a recent one. They could demand proof that he’d been a citizen for nine years. If he is not a natural born citizen, then he must have acquired it somewhere along the way, right? They didn’t, but they could’ve. They didn’t care when he was a black Democratic Senator from Illinois; they only care now that he’s a black Democratic President with a funny name. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2011, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-producing-a-birth-certificate-do-any-good/571117/28 "2011-02-13T00:59:26Z")
_You end up like a dog that’s been beat too much Till you spend half your life just covering up Born in the U.S.A., I was born in the U.S.A., I was born in the U.S.A., born in the U.S.A._ ---
**Author:** ![Kyla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/eada6e/32.png) [@Kyla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kyla)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2011, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-producing-a-birth-certificate-do-any-good/571117/29 "2011-02-13T01:29:03Z")
It’s a good thing I never plan on running for high office. My birth certificate looks just like the president’s. I asked my parents if I was actually born in Kenya. They remain silent on the matter. ---
**Author:** ![Champion-of-Truth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecccb3/32.png) [@Champion-of-Truth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Champion-of-Truth)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2011, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-producing-a-birth-certificate-do-any-good/571117/30 "2011-02-13T02:02:35Z")
Some dumb-ass named Kolba wrote: > [@](#): > > Basically, they just don’t like having a black president. Nothing is going to change that. is their primary issue. Playing the race card always shows a lack of intelligence. And I already said I’d vote for Alan Keyes, a true statesman and constitutionalist, any day! And he’s more black than Obama. So your typical liberal knee-jerk “It’s because he’s black” bullshit fails. > [@](#): > > If Obama hadn’t won, and had remained a Senator from Illinois, they wouldn’t give a shit and wouldn’t be asking for his birth certificate then. Try reading the Constitution, you freaking moron. It’s an issue with him as president because ONLY the president has to be natural born. A senator does no need that requirement. Wow, it’s amazing how many stupid, ignorant people we have here! :eek: ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2011, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-producing-a-birth-certificate-do-any-good/571117/31 "2011-02-13T02:04:42Z")
> [@Champion-of-Truth](#): > > Try reading the Constitution, you freaking moron. It’s an issue with him as president because ONLY the president has to be natural born. A senator does no need that requirement. > > Wow, it’s amazing how many stupid, ignorant people we have here! :eek: He is natural born. And you can count yourself as one of the stupid, ignorant people. ---
**Author:** ![Kozmik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8dc957/32.png) [@Kozmik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kozmik)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2011, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-producing-a-birth-certificate-do-any-good/571117/32 "2011-02-13T02:10:04Z")
> [@Champion-of-Truth](#): > > Try reading the Constitution, you freaking moron. It’s an issue with him as president because ONLY the president has to be natural born. A senator does no need that requirement. > > Wow, it’s amazing how many stupid, ignorant people we have here! :eek: **Kolga** was giving an example of a counterfactual. But you wouldn’t know that that is, would you, dumbass? ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2011, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-producing-a-birth-certificate-do-any-good/571117/33 "2011-02-13T02:12:10Z")
He’s also President for another 2-6 years, and no amount of foot-stomping and whining and holding your breath until you turn blue is going to change that. Even if he \*isn’t \* eligible (which he is), it’s too late. You lose. ---
**Author:** ![Mince](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecd19e/32.png) [@Mince](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mince)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2011, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-producing-a-birth-certificate-do-any-good/571117/34 "2011-02-13T02:54:07Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > They could demand proof that he’d been a citizen for nine years. If he is not a natural born citizen, then he must have acquired it somewhere along the way, right? They didn’t, but they could’ve. They didn’t care when he was a black Democratic Senator from Illinois; they only care now that he’s a black Democratic President with a funny name. I was just noting that **Kolga** should have said [proof of eligibility] not [birth certificate]. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2011, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-producing-a-birth-certificate-do-any-good/571117/35 "2011-02-13T03:02:55Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > He is natural born. And you can count yourself as one of the stupid, ignorant people. Ann Coulter herself said that birthers like Champion-of-misinformation are just one of the few cranks out there. > **[Vodpod – Video Editing Service for Creators](https://www.vodpod.com)** Really a tool to discredit right wingers… So, do continue you old COT. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![j666](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de0a6/32.png) [@j666](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/j666)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2011, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-producing-a-birth-certificate-do-any-good/571117/36 "2011-02-13T03:12:02Z")
> [@Champion-of-Truth](#): > > Playing the race card always shows a lack of intelligence. Accusing someone of playing the race card in the US is disingenous, at best. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2011, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-producing-a-birth-certificate-do-any-good/571117/37 "2011-02-13T04:31:16Z")
> [@Champion-of-Truth](#): > > Playing the race card always shows a lack of intelligence. And I already said I’d vote for Alan Keyes, a true statesman and constitutionalist, any day! And he’s more black than Obama. So your typical liberal knee-jerk “It’s because he’s black” bullshit fails. It doesn’t matter how “black” someone is if they’re a conservative. To the liberal mind they’re simply honorary white people. And the wrong kind of white people at that. We’ve seen the same with Clarence Thomas, Alan Keys, Condoleeza Rice and Michael Steele. And with regard to Obama, it somehow never occurs to liberals who question to this very day the vote count of the 2000 election, that Republicans may simply be looking for ways to invalidate an election that put the opposing party in the White House. Nope, to them if a black guy’s involved and Republicans oppose him in any way, the reason is always racism, pure and simple. ---
**Author:** ![Champion-of-Truth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecccb3/32.png) [@Champion-of-Truth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Champion-of-Truth)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2011, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-producing-a-birth-certificate-do-any-good/571117/38 "2011-02-13T04:34:23Z")
J66 wrote: > [@](#): > > Accusing someone of playing the race card in the US is disingenous, at best. No moron, it is not. Not when they clearly ARE playing the race card. Libtard. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Champion-of-Truth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecccb3/32.png) [@Champion-of-Truth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Champion-of-Truth)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2011, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-producing-a-birth-certificate-do-any-good/571117/39 "2011-02-13T04:38:37Z")
Starving Artist wrote: > [@](#): > > It doesn’t matter how “black” someone is if they’re a conservative. To the liberal mind they’re simply honorary white people. And the wrong kind of white people at that. We’ve seen the same with Clarence Thomas, Alan Keys, Condoleeza Rice and Michael Steele. And with regard to Obama, it somehow never occurs to liberals who question to this very day the vote count of the 2000 election, that Republicans may simply be looking for ways to invalidate an election that put the opposing party in the White House. Nope, to them if a black guy’s involved and Republicans oppose him in any way, the reason is always racism, pure and simple. So very true! You know, I’m willing to BET MY FUCKING LIFE that when Obama’s treason is finally brought to justice and he’s taken out of office (or prevented from getting elected in 2012) due to his eligibility problems, the libtards will go apeshit. They won’t give a DAMN about the fact that Obama perjured himself, lied, cheated, and usurped the highest office in the land, committed TREASON, and imperiled the nation. No, they’ll just keep whining about how us “gun clinging, Bible-thumping racists” couldn’t stand having a (half) black man in office. And they’ll do that even if we elected a fully black man like Alan Keyes. It’s how liberal fucktards think. They’re not like normal human beings. I’m starting to think maybe all the crazy Scientologist talk about lizard aliens or whatever the hell they call it is real, simply because liberals exist. But then, most Scientologists are liberals, so that sorta rips down that theory. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2011, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-producing-a-birth-certificate-do-any-good/571117/40 "2011-02-13T04:44:19Z")
Huh. I didn’t know that **Starving Artist** believed that Obama was not born in the United States. I thought the friending thing was something unrelated, but apparently, he actually does think so. I have no idea why I didn’t know that. I could’ve sworn he said at some point before that he thought the opposite. Huh (again). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-producing-a-birth-certificate-do-any-good/571117.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-producing-a-birth-certificate-do-any-good/571117.md?page=3)