# Would producing a birth certificate do any good? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 12, 2011, 9:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-producing-a-birth-certificate-do-any-good/571117 "2011-02-12T09:56:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2011, 7:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-producing-a-birth-certificate-do-any-good/571117/101 "2011-02-13T07:03:49Z")
> [@Sevastopol](#): > > The thrill is when anyone affords a moment of contemplation to their argument, which is false with premeditated malice. This does seem a pretty fair description of the rhetorical style of the “clever adolescent” wing of punditry. I’m thinking of Thomas Sowell & Monica Crowley here. They love saying stuff that’s completely off base & watching dumb people swallow it. Their wicked smiles after they lob a whopper betray them. > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > And with regard to Obama, it somehow never occurs to liberals who question to this very day the vote count of the 2000 election, that Republicans may simply be looking for ways to invalidate an election that put the opposing party in the White House. Are you OK with making crap up because you lost an election, in hopes of fraudulently “invalidating” it? Because that’s where we are. Look, the GOP were going to lose in 2008 no matter who the Dems put up. You didn’t lose to Obama, you lost to your own party’s reputation as corrupt & foolish. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2011, 7:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-producing-a-birth-certificate-do-any-good/571117/102 "2011-02-13T07:06:23Z")
> [@Champion-of-Truth](#): > > More typical libtard lies. They examined a COLB, but NOT THE ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE. Go look at the picture posted at the Factcheckorg website, you imbecile! It’s a picture of a COLB, not a longform birth certificate! FactCheck examined – in person – the document that is public record. The Director of Hawaii’s Department of Health examined the original document. So did the Registrar of Vital Statistics. So did the Republican then-Governor of Hawaii. Now you prove that they did not examine the original certificate. You are an imbecile and a liar. In fact, I do not believe that anyone as stupid as you are would have the ability to operate a computer, nor to (shockingly) string together words in complete sentences. The obvious conclusion is that you are deliberately trolling this board, and masturbating furiously at the bites you’re getting. You’re probably a sock puppet of some banned poster. Prove you’re not. . ---
**Author:** ![Kozmik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8dc957/32.png) [@Kozmik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kozmik)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2011, 7:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-producing-a-birth-certificate-do-any-good/571117/103 "2011-02-13T07:11:46Z")
> [@Champion-of-Truth](#): > > Try paying attention, Kozmik, instead of asking stupid questions that have already been answered. I don’t need to pay attention, Champion-of-Truth. I’m answering one of your stupid questions as a matter of fact. > [@Champion-of-Truth](#): > > How about his thesis paper? [Here](http://documents.nytimes.com/obama-s-1983-college-magazine-article#p=1) is Barack Obama’s thesis paper from Columbia University, published March 10, 1983. Not bad for a future Nobel Peace Prize laureate. I agreed with his thesis. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2011, 7:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-producing-a-birth-certificate-do-any-good/571117/104 "2011-02-13T07:21:57Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Cite? > > I can’t name either one of those things. I doubt that most people know the name of the doctor that delivered them. I know which hospital I was born in and the name of the doctor who delivered me. So did my father and my grandmother and my great grandparents, and so does my mother and my aunt and my brother and sister and stepmother now. Most of their close friends at the time did too, or at least they knew the hospital because they visited my mother while she was there. And there are photos. Was no one involved in Obama’s birth and his mother’s convalescence except his mother and the hospital’s staff? None of this stuff should even be an issue, unless the circumstances of Obama’s birth were so extraordinarily odd that we appear to have no first hand accounts of events in the hospital during the week or so he and his mother would have been there (provided they were they still keeping mothers that long then). The fact that there is so much out of the ordinary mystery surrounding his birth and the primary birth record is what is causing all the uproar. Why do Obama and his supporters insist on dancing on the head of a pin by pointing to the secondary document and hanging their hats on the fact that it’s considered ‘official’ enough to get a driver’s licence or passport. That isn’t the question. The question is, where is the original document? And if it’s not where it’s suppposed to be, why not? > [@Johnny L.A.](#): > > The original document does exist. People have looked at it. Who? The people whose job it is to verify these kinds of documents. You don’t get to look at them because you do not have Need To Know, and it is contrary to Hawaii state law to release them. _I_ don’t want to see them; I haven’t asked to see them; and I don’t expect to see them. But I do wonder, given that important Constitutional issues turn upon its existence, why an exception hasn’t been made in this case either to release it or provide a copy of it in order to settle the question and disarm challenges to Obama’s qualifications to hold office. > [@foolsguinea](#): > > Are you OK with making crap up because you lost an election, in hopes of fraudulently “invalidating” it? Because that’s where we are. > > Look, the GOP were going to lose in 2008 no matter who the Dems put up. You didn’t lose to Obama, you lost to your own party’s reputation as corrupt & foolish. You’re jumping to false conclusions. I’m not personally invested in this issue, and prior to this thread had paid it only scant attention, since it’s apparent that whatever legal challenges were made prior to Obama having taken office were insufficient to prevent his inauguration. What we’re discussing now is whether the so-called “truthers” are “morons” for continuing to have questions about the issue. To me the situation is similar to people who still had questions about the validity of the 2000 election. I never regarded them as morons simply because they continued to have questions about the election even though in a legal sense the issue had been decided. Court rulings are not necessarily the be all and end all where facts are concerned. All courts do is rule upon the facts that are known at the time and deemed admissible. They don’t necessarily have all the facts that exist. And now I’ve got to go do some stuff so those who are so inclined can now write posts claiming I’m running off in embarassment over having lost the “debate,” but we all know differently don’t we? You know, just so we’re clear about that. I’ve been quite unambiguous about my thinking in this regard and should someone actually post irrefutable evidence one way or the other, I’ll happily amend my stance accordingly. But as it stands now, there are enough odd circumstances surrounding the question of Obama’s birth that I cannot in good conscience state that I regard people who challenge the constitutional validity of it to be “morons.” But thanks for asking. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2011, 7:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-producing-a-birth-certificate-do-any-good/571117/105 "2011-02-13T07:24:34Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > It does seem very odd to me that the issue is shrouded in so much mystery. There is no mystery. > [@](#): > > I do recall reading once that the hospital was refusing to release the long form because that is their policy and they don’t release them for anyone. Hospitals don’t hold birth vcertificates, and what the fuck is a “long form?” > [@](#): > > I would think that the president of the United States, if he were so inclined, would easily have enough clout to override this hospital’s ‘policy’ practices where his own records are concerned. It’s not the hopsital. it’s the state of hawaii, and no, he doesn’t have the authority to override Hawaii Stae Law. Why would he? > [@](#): > > And I didn’t “dream up” the long form. It was in play long before I ever heard about it. There is no such thing. Birthers made it up. > [@](#): > > Yes, isn’t it obvious from the brouhaha that people need to know that information, if for no other reason than to put to rest questions of its existence? There aren’t any questions. > [@](#): > > And I’m sorry, the cite you posted, plus your own words immediately above, show that there’s another document that is supposed to exist upon which the document you referenced is drawn. The question isn’t “Does Obama have some some birth record sufficient to vote or get a passport?”, it’s “Does the original document upon which that document is based exist as it’s supposed to, and if so why can’t anyone get a look at it?” The original archived document has been verified by the State of Hawaii. ---
**Author:** ![Champion-of-Truth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecccb3/32.png) [@Champion-of-Truth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Champion-of-Truth)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2011, 7:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-producing-a-birth-certificate-do-any-good/571117/106 "2011-02-13T07:25:01Z")
Johnny LA wrote: > [@](#): > > FactCheck examined – in person – the document that is public record. Look, you retarded simpleton. I’m gonna explain this to your dumb ass just one more time. Go look at the fucking picture, you illiterate imbecile. That is a COLB, not a birth certificate. [Factchek.org](http://Factchek.org) is owned by Annenberg, of which Obama and his terrorist mentor Bill Ayers were directors. Compromised source. That’s the first thing. Second, they stated on their webpage that they examined the “original birth certificate”. That is a lie. They examined a COLB, not an original birth certificate. If you don’t know the difference then go fucking research it. I covered this already. > [@](#): > > The Director of Hawaii’s Department of Health examined the original document. So did the Registrar of Vital Statistics. So did the Republican then-Governor of Hawaii. First, I covered this before. Take a reading comprehension course. Second, it is not enough to take a politician on his or her word. Third, some of what they said was not literally that they saw the original birth certificate, but that it was recorded “according to Hawaiian law” which is obfuscations-speak and could mean simply that a COLB was registered but no original full long form certificate. > [@](#): > > You are an imbecile and a liar. In fact, I do not believe that anyone as stupid as you are would have the ability to operate a computer, nor to (shockingly) string together words in complete sentences. The obvious conclusion is that you are deliberately trolling this board, and masturbating furiously at the bites you’re getting. You’re probably a sock puppet of some banned poster. Go re-read my earlier rebuttals and shut the fuck up. I won’t be responding to any more of your posts until you can prove that you’ve read my earlier rebuttals and understand where what you just posted has been refuted. ---
**Author:** ![Kozmik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8dc957/32.png) [@Kozmik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kozmik)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2011, 7:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-producing-a-birth-certificate-do-any-good/571117/107 "2011-02-13T07:26:42Z")
> [@Kozmik](#): > > **Champion-of-Truth** is a fucking moron. > > By definition, Obama’s birth certificate would have been the only problematic issue _the day Obama was born_. Logic, dumbass. And now that guy is asking about his papers at Harvard, Columbia, this thesis paper. What is wrong with this guy?! [This](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13461604&postcount=95) is what’s wrong with **Champion-of-Truth** , among other things. Who cares about his college papers, his birth certificate? Man! ---
**Author:** ![Mince](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecd19e/32.png) [@Mince](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mince)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2011, 7:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-producing-a-birth-certificate-do-any-good/571117/108 "2011-02-13T07:28:27Z")
> [@Champion-of-Truth](#): > > …but he did take the name of his stepfather when he attended school,… He didn’t take the name of his stepfather, he was given the name of his stepfather, by his stepfather, likely extralegally. There is no compelling evidence an adoption was done within the confines of either country’s laws, ---
**Author:** ![Champion-of-Truth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecccb3/32.png) [@Champion-of-Truth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Champion-of-Truth)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2011, 7:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-producing-a-birth-certificate-do-any-good/571117/109 "2011-02-13T07:29:49Z")
Enough from the retards. I tire of wasting time on them. I want to hear from Elucidator and others who have made false claims about me to back their claims and claim their reward money. Because all the liberals here do is obfuscate, evade, and insult. I have been accused of: 1. Hating America 2. Hating Hawaii 3. Citing Newsbusters 4. Claiming Obama was born in Kenya 5. Claiming Obama was not born in the USA Now I am once again calling out those idiots…Kyla, Elucidator, etc…to prove those claims by posting a link quoting me saying any such thing. I will award $500 to anyone who can prove those claims by quoting me having said that. Enough of the run around and obfuscation. We need to see if those who are clearly liars are capable of owning up to being liars. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2011, 7:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-producing-a-birth-certificate-do-any-good/571117/110 "2011-02-13T07:31:34Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I know which hospital I was born in and the name of the doctor who delivered me. So did my father and my grandmother and my great grandparents, and so does my mother and my aunt and my brother and sister and stepmother now. Most of their close friends at the time did too, or at least they knew the hospital because they visited my mother while she was there. And there are photos. [/quote] I guarantee very few of them know the name of the doctor. > [@](#): > > Was no one involved in Obama’s birth and his mother’s convalescence except his mother and the hospital’s staff? Who else would you expect to be involved butfamily and hospital satff? > [@](#): > > None of this stuff should even be an issue, unless the circumstances of Obama’s birth were so extraordinarily odd that we appear to have no first hand accounts of events in the hospital during the week or so he and his mother would have been there (provided they were they still keeping mothers that long then). There actually is a first hand account from the doctor who delivered him > [@](#): > > The fact that there is so much out of the ordinary mystery surrounding his birth and the primary birth record is what is causing all the uproar. SA, you really need to stop spouting this bullshit. It isn’t true. > [@](#): > > Why do Obama and his supporters insist on dancing on the head of a pin by pointing to the secondary document and hanging their hats on the fact that it’s considered ‘official’ enough to get a driver’s licence or passport. That isn’t the question. The question is, where is the original document? And if it’s not where it’s suppposed to be, why not? Are you reading this fucking thread AT ALL. The exsitence of the _original dicument has been verified by the stae of Hawaii_. The cite for this has been provided. Apparently birthers havce some kind of brain damage that doesn;'t permit them to see facts in fronmt of their fucking faces. > [@](#): > > You’re jumping to false conclusions. I’m not personally invested in this issue, and prior to this thread had paid it only scant attention, since it’s apparent that whatever legal challenges were made prior to Obama having taken office were insufficient to prevent his inauguration. What we’re discussing now is whether the so-called “truthers” are “morons” for continuing to have questions about the issue. To me the situation is similar to people who still had questions about the validity of the 2000 election. There aren’t any questions. There isn’t any mystery. The Birther conspiracy theory is grounded in nothing factual. it’s just paranoid, racist fantasy. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2011, 7:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-producing-a-birth-certificate-do-any-good/571117/111 "2011-02-13T07:33:19Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > The Director of Hawaii’s Department of Health examined the original document. So did the Registrar of Vital Statistics. So did the Republican then-Governor of Hawaii. But, but…I thought the hospital wouldn’t let anyone look at it. So if it’ll let these people see it, why not just release it for all to see? Wouldn’t you regard that as prudent, given that constitutional issues are involved? Wouldn’t you expect Obama himself to call for its release just to put an end to the speculation, again given the fact that constutional issues are at stake? People don’t want to have to trust the word of government bureaucrats or some governor, they want public records to be publicly available, and birth records are public records. Even if they aren’t to be handed out, which would be understandable in order to prevent their permanent loss, they can at least be copied and the copies released. What is the big reason for keeping these original and admittedly-by-you somewhat different documents secret? It’s the stubborn and apparently baseless refusal to cough up images of the absolute and entire original document for public scrutiny that is at the root of the problem, and people are not morons for wondering about it. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2011, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-producing-a-birth-certificate-do-any-good/571117/112 "2011-02-13T07:35:31Z")
> [@Champion-of-Truth](#): > > Johnny LA wrote: > > Look, you retarded simpleton. I’m gonna explain this to your dumb ass just one more time. Go look at the fucking picture, you illiterate imbecile. That is a COLB, not a birth certificate. [Factchek.org](http://Factchek.org) is owned by Annenberg, of which Obama and his terrorist mentor Bill Ayers were directors. Compromised source. That’s the first thing. Second, they stated on their webpage that they examined the “original birth certificate”. That is a lie. They examined a COLB, not an original birth certificate. If you don’t know the difference then go fucking research it. I covered this already. Hey, stupid, ignorant, racist, retard fuck. A COLB **IS a fucking birth certificate** , and the original archived document has been verified. Suck Obama’s black American dick, you fucking skinhead. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2011, 7:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-producing-a-birth-certificate-do-any-good/571117/113 "2011-02-13T07:36:18Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > What we’re discussing now is whether the so-called “truthers” are “morons” for continuing to have questions about the issue. To me the situation is similar to people who still had questions about the validity of the 2000 election. I never regarded them as morons simply because they continued to have questions about the election even though in a legal sense the issue had been decided. Uh, that is not what the old COT is only doing. What it is clear to me is that most of the conservative people in leadership positions have dropped the issue and are calling the ones still trying to make hay of it cranks or something worse. I can question the validity of the 2000 election but only to make the point that we need to do better in future elections. As for making exceptions, are you ignoring on purpose that very few presidents had such an odd request done before to them? And add to that that the courts and the legislature already dismissed the best evidence the birthers brought forth or voted already to declare that Obama was born in Hawaii and then one can notice that this discussion is just a 2009 reheated baloney. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2011, 7:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-producing-a-birth-certificate-do-any-good/571117/114 "2011-02-13T07:40:37Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > _I_ don’t want to see them; I haven’t asked to see them; and I don’t expect to see them. But I do wonder, given that important Constitutional issues turn upon its existence, why an exception hasn’t been made in this case either to release it or provide a copy of it in order to settle the question and disarm challenges to Obama’s qualifications to hold office. It wouldn’t settle the question or disarm challenges, though. First, a birth certificate has already been released and it did not do that. There is no reason to believe that a birth certificate in a different format or typeface (or whatever magical quality this so-called “long form” has that differentiates it from the valid certificate already released) would change that. Second, as I pointed out earlier, many birthers also think that having a parent who was not a US citizen disqualifies him. They also think that the possibility that he was a dual citizen for part of his life disqualifies him. There is no way to win. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2011, 7:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-producing-a-birth-certificate-do-any-good/571117/115 "2011-02-13T07:44:04Z")
> [@Champion-of-Truth](#): > > Diogenes, it’s hard to comprehend the level of your stupidity, it really is. You wrote: > > He wrote plenty of papers at Harvard. Where are they? How about his thesis paper? ]You said Harvard Law Review. His papers he wrote for classes are none of your business. Is it your belief he never actually went to Harvard? It is, isn’t it? > [@](#): > > No, you’re a typical liberal fucktard who creates strawman arguments in his mind. I never said nor implied that he wasn’t really part of the Harvard Law yes you did. Why else ask the question? You probably also think he’s the antichrist, don’t you? Sure you do. You’re that fucking stupoid. > [@](#): > > For one thing, his school records from Indonesia indicate he was a Muslim citizen in Indonesia. No they don’t, scumbag. Are you truly that stupid, you moron? Here is a quote from his wife Michelle Obama: [/quote] She was speaking figuratively, imbecile. He was never legally adopted. His name has never been anything but Barack Obama. > [@](#): > > Furthermore, he was registered under the name Barry Soetoro in Indonesia when he went to school there An irrelevant artifact of the country’s comnvention of registering all students under the name of their putative fathers. It was never his legal name. He was never adopted, He was never a cirtizen of Indonesioa (not that it would render his NBC status invalid anyway), and that same school registration you fuvcking toothless, tweaker peckerheads love so much also lists his place of birth as Hawaii. [quote] which backs up what his wife says…that he was adopted by Lolo Soetoro. It’s unclear whether he was legally adopted, but he did take the name of his stepfather when he attended school, which indicates he did. [/qupot6e His wife didn’t say any of that, scumbag, and in point of fact, none of it’;s true. [quote] Here’s a link: > **[Home 2024 \* WorldNetDaily](https://www.wnd.com/?pageId=72656)** > > A Free Press For A Free People Since 1997 [/quote Heh. Wing Nut Daily. [quote] ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2011, 7:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-producing-a-birth-certificate-do-any-good/571117/116 "2011-02-13T07:46:48Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > What is the big reason for keeping these original and admittedly-by-you somewhat different documents secret? It’s the stubborn and apparently baseless refusal to cough up images of the absolute and entire original document for public scrutiny that is at the root of the problem, and people are not morons for wondering about it. People are morons for willfully ignoring the law. The birth certificate (that Obama already released) was made following the procedure set already in Hawaii and many other states, the law clearly says that the state does not need to produce any other documents for 3rd parties. Specially when there are laws that prevent that release. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2011, 7:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-producing-a-birth-certificate-do-any-good/571117/117 "2011-02-13T07:48:26Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > But, but…I thought the hospital wouldn’t let anyone look at it. You thought wrong. You are misinformed. Hospitals do not hold birth recotrds. You don’t know what you’re talking about. ---
**Author:** ![Kozmik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8dc957/32.png) [@Kozmik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kozmik)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2011, 7:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-producing-a-birth-certificate-do-any-good/571117/118 "2011-02-13T07:50:05Z")
> [@Champion-of-Truth](#): > > Take a reading comprehension course. Second, it is not enough to take a politician on his or her word. > [@Champion-of-Truth](#): > > And since Obama claims to be a constitutional scholar, I think he would know whether he was eligible. Yay! I found a contradiction. I think you need to take a reading comprehension course. A logic course might help. Then, maybe, you’ll know what a contradiction is, among other “common words”. Put it all together now, dumbass: It is not enough to take Obama on his word whether he was eligible. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2011, 7:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-producing-a-birth-certificate-do-any-good/571117/119 "2011-02-13T07:51:03Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > I guarantee very few of them know the name of the doctor. No, he was a pretty popular doctor and many of my parents’ friends used him when their kids were born. > [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Who else would you expect to be involved butfamily and hospital satff? Friends, acquaintances, friends and acquaintances of friends and acquaintances…and hospital staff. I’m twelve years or so older than Obama but for most of my life there were any number of people who could provide information of events surrounding my birth. > [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > There actually is a first hand account from the doctor who delivered him. Okay, fine. Where is everybody else? Where are the hospital staffers who may remember him or his mother? Where are the family friends who were close to his mother during that time and visited her? Why doesn’t there seem to be the type of informational clutter that one would expect to bubble to the surface when America elects its first black president? > [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > SA, you really need to stop spouting this bullshit. It isn’t true. I’m not spouting any bullshit. I’m just asking questions and giving my take on why some of the answers seem at the very least incomplete. > [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Are you reading this fucking thread AT ALL. Certainement. > [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > The exsitence of the _original dicument has been verified by the stae of Hawaii_. The cite for this has been provided. Apparently birthers havce some kind of brain damage that doesn;'t permit them to see facts in fronmt of their fucking faces. Or perhaps they just don’t want to have to take a bureaucrat’s word for it that a record which ought to be publicly available exists. > [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > There aren’t any questions. There isn’t any mystery. Yes there are. I’ve just listed some of them. > [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > The Birther conspiracy theory is grounded in nothing factual. Apart from the fact that Obama’s original birth certificate is apparently to be kept from public view at all costs. There may be a good reason for this, I don’t know. But I find out I’m gonna be wondering. > [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > it’s just paranoid, racist fantasy. i Disagree. Politics is at the root of it, not Obama’s race. This nation’s conservatives would embrace a qualified black candidate just like they have a Supreme Court justice, an Secretary of State, and a Republican party chairman. The alleged racism involved in this issue is a liberal political deceit, as are almost all of its claims of racism. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2011, 7:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-producing-a-birth-certificate-do-any-good/571117/120 "2011-02-13T07:55:51Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > You thought wrong. You are misinformed. Hospitals do not hold birth recotrds. You don’t know what you’re talking about. Well, I don’t know but what I’ve read. You could be right. But whoever’s holding it, certainly is refusing to make it available to the public. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-producing-a-birth-certificate-do-any-good/571117.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-producing-a-birth-certificate-do-any-good/571117.md?page=7)