# Would you accept this NFL draft-pick trade? **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 21, 2014, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-accept-this-nfl-draft-pick-trade/699120 "2014-09-21T23:42:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![VarlosZ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d78d45/32.png) [@VarlosZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VarlosZ)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2014, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-accept-this-nfl-draft-pick-trade/699120/21 "2014-09-22T23:06:48Z")
> [@furt](#): > > I’m not so sure about that. To the extent that a first-round pick equates to more winning now, that means higher attendence, more money, more attractive to FAs. There is some investent value. Certainly the customers, or at least many of them, generally value the present value. > > There’s also the fact that while draft picks are fully fungible, players are not – and when these deals are made, teams are doing it because they want to draft a specific player that meets a specific need or that they think is a great deal at this spot in the draft. The higher pick next year is an abstraction; it could well be you end up on the clock next year, unhappy with all your choices, and looking to trade down. Theoretically, yes, on both counts. But I think that in the NFL, in the vast majority of cases, those concerns are unlikely to matter enough to move the needle. It’s not like the NBA where one star player typically turns around a whole franchise; unless you’re drafting a QB \*and \*he turns into one of the 5 or 6 best passers in the league, it’s rare that one guy is the difference between success and failure – and in any event it usually takes a few years for a player to round fully into form, and a 2015 1st Rounder may well be making more of an impact in 2016 than a 2014 2nd Rounder. A single player is also unlikely to make a difference financially: most teams sell out all their games anyway. It will be more possible for a particular player to be an unusually good value for his draft slot (or an unusually good fit for his team), but I’m still confident that teams mostly overvalue who they perceive to be such a player and undervalue future draft picks. ---
**Author:** ![Icarus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/icarus/32/72_2.png) [@Icarus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Icarus)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2014, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-accept-this-nfl-draft-pick-trade/699120/22 "2014-09-22T23:10:47Z")
> [@JSexton](#): > > Cap space is an issue here. Can you afford to pay 5 years worth of double first round picks? You’re devoting an awful lot of money to rookies under this system, and that might not be the best use of your money. That’s assuming you actually keep and use the 5 picks and keep the players. That’s not really the most likely scenario. These are cards in a deck that you can sell or trade at will. ---
**Author:** ![VarlosZ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d78d45/32.png) [@VarlosZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VarlosZ)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2014, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-accept-this-nfl-draft-pick-trade/699120/23 "2014-09-22T23:20:34Z")
Actually, the financial cost of 1st Round picks has been greatly reduced since the last CBA negotiation. 1st Rounders on their rookie contracts are now, on average, extraordinary bargains, providing far more expected value per dollar spent than anything you could hope to get on the open market in free agency. It’s nearly impossible for a team to have too many of them. ---
**Author:** ![brickbacon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@brickbacon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brickbacon)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2014, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-accept-this-nfl-draft-pick-trade/699120/24 "2014-09-23T01:09:11Z")
This is a no brainer if you have the job security the OP specified. Just look at how such these multiple draft pick trades turn out for players who are relatively known quantities. For example, the Hershel Walker trade was GREAT for Dallas, and the RG3 trade is turning out to be pretty poor for Washington. More importantly, we can use history to judge this as well. Let’s look at how this would have played out in 2000. Let’s assume that the team trades for a top 5 pick. In 2000, they would have probably chosen on of the following players: Courtney Brown (bust, 5 seasons played) LaVar Arrington (3x pro-bowler, 7 seasons played) Chris Samuels (6x pro-bowler, 10 seasons played) Peter Warrick (bust, 6 seasons played) Jamal Lewis (1x pro-bowler, MVP, SB Champion, 7 seasons played) Now let’s look at the 1st round picks of the top two teams (Cleveland and Washington) from 2010-2014. Washington’s Picks: Trent Williams (2x pro-bowler) Blaine Gabbert Morris Claiborne Desmond Trufant (7th ranked cornerback) Gregory Robinson Cleveland’s Picks: Joe Haden (1x pro-bowler) Julio Jones (1x pro-bowler) Matt Kalil (1x pro-bowler) Barkevious Mingo Sammy Watkins Yes, there are a LOT of variable here, but I would clearly take Washington or Cleveland’s picks than 1 person in the top list. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2014, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-accept-this-nfl-draft-pick-trade/699120/25 "2014-09-23T03:15:06Z")
Incidentally, is there an \*actual \*limit on how far in the future NFL teams are permitted to trade? If two teams made a deal - “My 3rd and 4th round picks in 2016 for your first-round picks in 2044, 2047 and 2049,” who could step in and void it? You could argue “It a dumb trade,” but is it actually _against the rules?_ ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2014, 6:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-accept-this-nfl-draft-pick-trade/699120/26 "2014-09-23T06:00:11Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > Personally, I think it’s not. There are considerations that could matter, like a team needing to win now for season ticket sales or upcoming changes in ownership or a very talented draft class or a question on draft position, but by and large I think a whole class difference in draft picks is severely overranking current draft picks for future value. On the other hand, I think teams greatly overvalue first round picks compared to second round picks in the same draft. How much better are first rounders than second rounders, in terms of actual players drafted? Like, if we look at the past ten years, how much better is the group of first rounders compared to the second rounders? This is a hypothetical question, not a request for someone to spend all that time compiling the player lists. While I assume the first rounders will be better, I don’t think they’ll be _that much_ better that would justify how much more highly first round picks are valued. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2014, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-accept-this-nfl-draft-pick-trade/699120/27 "2014-09-23T12:48:10Z")
First rounders are better - much better, really - but not enough better to justify their relative salaries, is the common belief. A hypothetical team full of first rounders would kill a hypothetical team full of second rounders, but if you had an arbitrary amount of money to spend you’d get more value spending it on second rounders. ---
**Author:** ![ekweizn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7c8e57/32.png) [@ekweizn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekweizn)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2014, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-accept-this-nfl-draft-pick-trade/699120/28 "2014-09-23T13:26:42Z")
[The Ricky Williams trade](http://nfltrades.tumblr.com/post/21230133938/rickywilliamstrade) was another notable example of a “I want what I want and I want it right now” trade. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2014, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-accept-this-nfl-draft-pick-trade/699120/29 "2014-09-30T13:45:07Z")
I would take it given your conditions, but those conditions will never exist in real life so it’s pretty much academic. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-accept-this-nfl-draft-pick-trade/699120.md?page=1)