# Would you agree with this Venn diagram about irrational nonsense? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [April 20, 2019, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-agree-with-this-venn-diagram-about-irrational-nonsense/832823 "2019-04-20T17:45:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![scarface54345](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@scarface54345](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scarface54345)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2019, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-agree-with-this-venn-diagram-about-irrational-nonsense/832823/1 "2019-04-20T17:45:14Z")
[![](https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-3Lufulseck4/UWF6MsaAosI/AAAAAAAAEk8/T8FNhnLbUug/s1600/ZghIM4Sh.jpg) ](https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-3Lufulseck4/UWF6MsaAosI/AAAAAAAAEk8/T8FNhnLbUug/s1600/ZghIM4Sh.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2019, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-agree-with-this-venn-diagram-about-irrational-nonsense/832823/2 "2019-04-20T17:55:41Z")
What are you looking for? Any objections about why a topic ought not to be in as many/few categories? Do you have any opinions on the subject? ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2019, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-agree-with-this-venn-diagram-about-irrational-nonsense/832823/3 "2019-04-20T18:06:04Z")
> [@scarface54345](#): > > [https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-3Lufulseck4/UWF6MsaAosI/AAAAAAAAEk8/T8FNhnLbUug/s1600/ZghIM4Sh.jpg](https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-3Lufulseck4/UWF6MsaAosI/AAAAAAAAEk8/T8FNhnLbUug/s1600/ZghIM4Sh.jpg) The link is to an image that lists Conspiracy, Quakery, Religion, Pseudosicience, and Paranormal. Please flesh out the debate topic. A title and link is not sufficient. [/moderating] ---
**Author:** ![guizot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guizot/32/3636_2.png) [@guizot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/guizot)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2019, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-agree-with-this-venn-diagram-about-irrational-nonsense/832823/4 "2019-04-20T18:10:12Z")
It’s ridiculous: Can’t they see that that pig extracts in soft drinks is clearly part of the paranormal??? They really have to redo this thing–from scratch. ---
**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2019, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-agree-with-this-venn-diagram-about-irrational-nonsense/832823/5 "2019-04-20T18:12:13Z")
“_The Smurfs_”? ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2019, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-agree-with-this-venn-diagram-about-irrational-nonsense/832823/6 "2019-04-20T18:23:09Z")
Surely there must be some conspiracy quackery that’s not pseudoscience but is at least one of religion or paranormal, to fill in those three blank areas. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2019, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-agree-with-this-venn-diagram-about-irrational-nonsense/832823/7 "2019-04-20T19:09:14Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Surely there must be some conspiracy quackery that’s not pseudoscience but is at least one of religion or paranormal, to fill in those three blank areas. “Jesuits sank the Titanic” currently in the intersection paranormal/ conspiracy/ religion. I don’t see what’s paranormal about it. Make it conspiracy/ religion. Edit - no that wouldn’t be quackery either. Sorry. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2019, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-agree-with-this-venn-diagram-about-irrational-nonsense/832823/8 "2019-04-20T19:49:00Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Surely there must be some conspiracy quackery that’s not pseudoscience but is at least one of religion or paranormal, to fill in those three blank areas. ISTM that religion is a subset of pseudoscience (theology obviously lays claim to being a science; otherwise why does its name end in “ology?”) 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Ace309](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ace309/32/1050_2.png) [@Ace309](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ace309)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2019, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-agree-with-this-venn-diagram-about-irrational-nonsense/832823/9 "2019-04-20T20:05:11Z")
Is there a specific listing you disagree with? ---
**Author:** ![74westy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/74westy/32/3950_2.png) [@74westy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/74westy)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2019, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-agree-with-this-venn-diagram-about-irrational-nonsense/832823/10 "2019-04-20T20:05:42Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > “Jesuits sank the Titanic” currently in the intersection paranormal/ conspiracy/ religion. I don’t see what’s paranormal about it. Make it conspiracy/ religion. > > Edit - no that wouldn’t be quackery either. Sorry. Maybe they used telepathy to do it. Then again, they believe in God–a supernatural Being. What the hell, just push everything into the middle. ---
**Author:** ![naita](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naita/32/5862_2.png) [@naita](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/naita)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2019, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-agree-with-this-venn-diagram-about-irrational-nonsense/832823/11 "2019-04-20T20:13:42Z")
Your OP inspired me to evaluate every single claim on the chart, all 451 of them, and I’ve found they are all perfect. tl;dr, I agree! ---
**Author:** ![Novelty\_Bobble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Novelty\_Bobble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Novelty_Bobble)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2019, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-agree-with-this-venn-diagram-about-irrational-nonsense/832823/12 "2019-04-20T20:15:33Z")
Broadly, yes. I’d agree that most, if not all of the stuff in there I’d term irrational nonsense and they seem to be well suited to their given place in the Venn diagram. I’d be open to debating their _exact_ placing though I don’t expect we’ll agree on absolutely every case. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2019, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-agree-with-this-venn-diagram-about-irrational-nonsense/832823/13 "2019-04-20T20:36:53Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Surely there must be some conspiracy quackery that’s not pseudoscience but is at least one of religion or paranormal, to fill in those three blank areas. Democracy? ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2019, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-agree-with-this-venn-diagram-about-irrational-nonsense/832823/14 "2019-04-20T20:40:38Z")
Where’s the conspiracy in the Indigo Children movement? ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2019, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-agree-with-this-venn-diagram-about-irrational-nonsense/832823/15 "2019-04-20T21:10:36Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Where’s the conspiracy in the Indigo Children movement? I haven’t really delved into it but don’t a lot of “indigo children” often have some other medical diagnosis like ADHD or autism? I could definitely see some Big Pharma conspiracies floating around stuff like that. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2019, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-agree-with-this-venn-diagram-about-irrational-nonsense/832823/16 "2019-04-20T21:22:59Z")
> [@naita](#): > > Your OP inspired me to evaluate every single claim on the chart, all 451 of them, and I’ve found they are all perfect. > > tl;dr, I agree! +1 ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2019, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-agree-with-this-venn-diagram-about-irrational-nonsense/832823/17 "2019-04-20T23:13:01Z")
I can’t evaluate them all, but I will say that I discovered Shiatsu massage this year and got fantastic results. 3 sessions resulted in relieving 3 chronic problems, one of them seemingly permanently and the others pretty durably, if not perfectly. Now, is the masseuse really manipulating my chi? I can’t say I understand what that even means, but have decided to just shrug about that one, give her the best Yelp review I can, and go back every once in awhile. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2019, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-agree-with-this-venn-diagram-about-irrational-nonsense/832823/18 "2019-04-20T23:31:07Z")
Go ahead and PM me if you wish to reopen the thread with an actual debate topic. [/moderating]