# Would you be uncomfortable sharing meat space with troglodyte homophobes? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 27, 2013, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-be-uncomfortable-sharing-meat-space-with-troglodyte-homophobes/662073 "2013-06-27T23:26:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2013, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-be-uncomfortable-sharing-meat-space-with-troglodyte-homophobes/662073/161 "2013-07-10T15:48:09Z")
I’m really not sure you want to get into a pissing contest about whether religious people or gays oppress the other more. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2013, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-be-uncomfortable-sharing-meat-space-with-troglodyte-homophobes/662073/162 "2013-07-10T16:27:07Z")
> [@Esco](#): > > Not to me, but apparently to you it is. > > But so what if you’re offended, freedom of speech does not come with a cavaet that says freedom to express your opinion, just dont offend anyone You should keep making this argument. Eventually, some day, if you do it for long enough, someone might actually show up who disagrees with you. > [@](#): > > Good, I’m glad you agree. Throwing drinks at the guy or screaming in his face is not being tolerant. Actually, I just said exactly the opposite. Tolerance means respecting your legal right to hold an awful opinion. It does not require me to be nice to you. > [@](#): > > And tolerance btw is the very thing Left-wingers preach, yet rarely practice themselves. > > Another shining example, only this time they managed to outdo the Toronto incident and raised it to violence: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSmCDtAFrCE](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSmCDtAFrCE) > > Hypocrisy at its finest This is the part that makes you look increasingly stupid, which is quite a feat, considering where you started from. Something like 150 million Americans identify as Democrats. In any group that large, there are going to be some violent assholes. You’ve managed to find two. Congratulations, you’ve shown that .00000013% of liberals are hypocrites. (And that’s being generous in assuming that these guys are left wing just because they’re at a pride festival, and that they’ve ever preached tolerance, both of which are pretty big “ifs.”). By that standard, all I need to do is find four violent Christians to demonstrate that conservatives, as a percentage of the whole, are more hypocritical than liberals. Tell me, do you think I can find at least four instances of Christians violently assaulting gays? ---
**Author:** ![DMC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dmc/32/18049_2.png) [@DMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMC)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2013, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-be-uncomfortable-sharing-meat-space-with-troglodyte-homophobes/662073/163 "2013-07-11T04:57:15Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Tell me, do you think I can find at least four instances of Christians violently assaulting gays? Not a chance. They wouldn’t be “true” Christians, after all. Isn’t that convenient? ---
**Author:** ![deltasigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e5b9ba/32.png) [@deltasigma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/deltasigma)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2013, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-be-uncomfortable-sharing-meat-space-with-troglodyte-homophobes/662073/164 "2013-07-11T05:31:40Z")
> [@DMC](#): > > Not a chance. They wouldn’t be “true” Christians, after all. Isn’t that convenient? I recall Lot having a similar problem - Oh the sodomy. . . errr, irony! ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2013, 10:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-be-uncomfortable-sharing-meat-space-with-troglodyte-homophobes/662073/165 "2013-07-11T10:51:39Z")
Well, Esco got his ass handed to him. Of course, his ass was passed around and repeatedly fucked first, so he’ll have to clean it off. ---
**Author:** ![Esco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/9de053/32.png) [@Esco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esco)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2013, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-be-uncomfortable-sharing-meat-space-with-troglodyte-homophobes/662073/166 "2013-07-11T13:57:02Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > This is the part that makes you look increasingly stupid, which is quite a feat, considering where you started from. Something like 150 million Americans identify as Democrats. In any group that large, there are going to be some violent assholes. You’ve managed to find two. Congratulations, you’ve shown that .00000013% of liberals are hypocrites. (And that’s being generous in assuming that these guys are left wing just because they’re at a pride festival, and that they’ve ever preached tolerance, both of which are pretty big “ifs.”). By that standard, all I need to do is find four violent Christians to demonstrate that conservatives, as a percentage of the whole, are more hypocritical than liberals. Tell me, do you think I can find at least four instances of Christians violently assaulting gays? No, because I didnt say all Lefties are hypocrites. I realize there are lots who are tolerant. But going by this thread, with all the hate towards me and the name-calling (which wasn’t punished by mods…surprise…surprise), its safe to say there’s lots of Left-wingers who arent so tolerant, and dont practice what they preach (which is they expect the Right to always be tolerant of them). Also gays continually harp on about hate-crimes against them. But going by this thread, and going by the videos I posted, its clear that hate has become a 2-way street (for many gays) . ---
**Author:** ![Esco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/9de053/32.png) [@Esco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esco)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2013, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-be-uncomfortable-sharing-meat-space-with-troglodyte-homophobes/662073/167 "2013-07-11T13:58:03Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Well, Esco got his ass handed to him. > Of course, his ass was passed around and repeatedly fucked first, so he’ll have to clean it off It only appears that way because I’m outnumbered 99 to 1 (hyperbole) ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2013, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-be-uncomfortable-sharing-meat-space-with-troglodyte-homophobes/662073/168 "2013-07-11T14:04:57Z")
That helps, but you being stupid is the critical element. ---
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2013, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-be-uncomfortable-sharing-meat-space-with-troglodyte-homophobes/662073/169 "2013-07-11T15:21:09Z")
> [@Esco](#): > > No, because I didnt say all Lefties are hypocrites. I realize there are lots who are tolerant. > > But going by this thread, with all the hate towards me and the name-calling (which wasn’t punished by mods…surprise…surprise), its safe to say there’s lots of Left-wingers who arent so tolerant, and dont practice what they preach (which is they expect the Right to always be tolerant of them). > > Also gays continually harp on about hate-crimes against them. But going by this thread, and going by the videos I posted, its clear that hate has become a 2-way street (for many gays) > > . Now pay attention: This is the pit, we’re allowed to call names here. That’s why I opened this thread, so that people who wanted to be more expansive in their disagreement than they are allowed to be in your original opinion piece in IMHO would have a place to do it. That’s the way this message board works. Expand your consciousness beyond these two threads and you might take some of that in. As to the rest, what you see as hate is really disdain, and possibly some pity. You are espousing views which are hateful. Then you seem surprised and disappointed that there aren’t more people who agree with you. If you want that kind of agreement, I’m sure there are other message boards where you could get it. Roddy ---
**Author:** ![Katriona](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/katriona/32/113_2.png) [@Katriona](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Katriona)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2013, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-be-uncomfortable-sharing-meat-space-with-troglodyte-homophobes/662073/170 "2013-07-11T19:58:42Z")
> [@Musicat](#): > > Some of my best friends are homophones. Or whatever. I’ve always thought homophones should be aloud to merry. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2013, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-be-uncomfortable-sharing-meat-space-with-troglodyte-homophobes/662073/171 "2013-07-11T20:27:02Z")
Write awn! ---
**Author:** ![Enginerd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/bcef8e/32.png) [@Enginerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enginerd)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2013, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-be-uncomfortable-sharing-meat-space-with-troglodyte-homophobes/662073/172 "2013-07-11T23:41:07Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Well, Esco got his ass handed to him. > Of course, his ass was passed around and repeatedly fucked first, so he’ll have to clean it off. Surely you’re not suggesting that he shower here. With all these homos around? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2013, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-be-uncomfortable-sharing-meat-space-with-troglodyte-homophobes/662073/173 "2013-07-11T23:59:58Z")
You think they’ll be offended? ---
**Author:** ![Esco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/9de053/32.png) [@Esco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esco)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2013, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-be-uncomfortable-sharing-meat-space-with-troglodyte-homophobes/662073/174 "2013-07-13T12:39:40Z")
> [@Roderick\_Femm](#): > > Now pay attention: This is the pit, we’re allowed to call names here. That’s why I opened this thread, so that people who wanted to be more expansive in their disagreement than they are allowed to be in your original opinion piece in IMHO would have a place to do it Great. Thats awesome, thanks Roddy. So I get call people faggots here. Here’s some more evidence of faggots running loose when they’re afforded too much power. Exactly the reason I dont wanna shower with these faggots: (Video at link): [US Marine Jeremiah Arbogast: male rape in military is 'about power' - BBC News](http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-23152463) > [@](#): > > **US Marine Jeremiah Arbogast: male rape in military is ‘about power’** > > A study by the US Defense Department estimates 26,000 men and women in the military were subject to some level of unwanted sexual contact in 2012. > > Campaigners say these latest Pentagon figures reveal the true scale of the problem and also highlight how victims are reluctant to ask their commanders to investigate. > > The official statistics show that only 3,374 incidents were reported in 2012; just 302 cases pursued by victims were actually prosecuted. > > Although the debate has focused on the abuse of women in the military - they make up 15% of military personnel but are much more likely to be attacked - the Pentagon report says thousands of men are also victims. > > Former US Marine Jeremiah Arbogast was sexually assaulted and raped by a staff sergeant on a base. He talked to the BBC about the military sexual trauma he suffered and how it affected his life ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2013, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-be-uncomfortable-sharing-meat-space-with-troglodyte-homophobes/662073/175 "2013-07-13T15:26:43Z")
> [@Esco](#): > > Great. Thats awesome, thanks Roddy. > > So I get call people faggots here. [Moderating] No, actually, you may not. I very strongly suggest you [read the rules](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=507985) before posting any further in the Pit. Pay particular attention to this part: > [@Revised Forum Rules for the BBQ Pit: read this before posting](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/revised-forum-rules-for-the-bbq-pit-read-this-before-posting/487209/1): > > **No hate speech** > > If you say hateful and/or racist things, you may get warned or banned. Some slurs are likely to be viewed as hate speech when used as insults, some aren’t. No, we aren’t going to give you a list. Our goal is not to restrict any and all speech which could be viewed by someone as offensive, but simply keep a modicum of decency, even here. Because of your evident disability, I’m giving you one freebie here and not making this an official warning. You will not get a second one. Read the rules for the forum in which you are posting, and follow them. If you do not do this, your time on this board will be sharply limited. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![deltasigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e5b9ba/32.png) [@deltasigma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/deltasigma)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-be-uncomfortable-sharing-meat-space-with-troglodyte-homophobes/662073/176 "2013-07-14T00:26:43Z")
> [@Esco](#): > > Great. Thats awesome, thanks Roddy. > > So I get call people faggots here. > > Here’s some more evidence of faggots running loose when they’re afforded too much power. Exactly the reason I dont wanna shower with these faggots: > > (Video at link): [US Marine Jeremiah Arbogast: male rape in military is 'about power' - BBC News](http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-23152463) Wow. That must have felt good huh? Too bad you were cock-blocked by the mods just as you were getting your anal groove on. Bummer dude. But I feel your pain. I’m sure that word rolls off your tongue just as easily as something like low grade moron does mine. Fortunately for me though, none of my favorite epithets are prohibited in the pit. I look forward to your response so I dig further into my little bag of bon mots. It’s been so long and they are so dusty. Cheers! ---
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-be-uncomfortable-sharing-meat-space-with-troglodyte-homophobes/662073/177 "2013-07-14T01:27:45Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > [Moderating] > No, actually, you may not. I very strongly suggest you [read the rules](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=507985) before posting any further in the Pit. Pay particular attention to this part: > > Because of your **evident disability** , I’m giving you one freebie here and not making this an official warning. You will not get a second one. Read the rules for the forum in which you are posting, and follow them. If you do not do this, your time on this board will be sharply limited. > [/Moderating] (bolding mine) Say what? Does knuckle-dragging moronitude count as a disability now? Note: I am not discussing the moderator action noted above. Just suggesting a possible clarification of the language used. Roddy ---
**Author:** ![Antinor01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecae2f/32.png) [@Antinor01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Antinor01)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-be-uncomfortable-sharing-meat-space-with-troglodyte-homophobes/662073/178 "2013-07-14T05:55:29Z")
> [@Esco](#): > > No, because I didnt say all Lefties are hypocrites. I realize there are lots who are tolerant. > > But going by this thread, with all the hate towards me and the name-calling (which wasn’t punished by mods…surprise…surprise), its safe to say there’s lots of Left-wingers who arent so tolerant, and dont practice what they preach (which is they expect the Right to always be tolerant of them). > > Also gays continually harp on about hate-crimes against them. But going by this thread, and going by the videos I posted, its clear that hate has become a 2-way street (for many gays). 1. Name calling, within certain limits, is allowed in the pit. 2. I have no reason to be tolerant of people who think I should be able to be fired, kicked out of housing, jailed, killed or any of a long list of things simply for being gay. 3. Those videos you posted were nothing. Talk to me when they have broken bones like an ex of mine had for no other reason than he was walking out of a gay bar. 4. You’re an idiot. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 5:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-be-uncomfortable-sharing-meat-space-with-troglodyte-homophobes/662073/179 "2013-07-14T05:59:42Z")
> [@Roderick\_Femm](#): > > (bolding mine) Say what? Does knuckle-dragging moronitude count as a disability now? I figure it counts as some sort of learning disability, at the very least. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-be-uncomfortable-sharing-meat-space-with-troglodyte-homophobes/662073/180 "2013-07-14T13:21:52Z")
Her’s not going to get it; he’ll already have decided we’re all against him because we can’t handle the truth, or something, and he’ll take his banning as concrete evidence of his assumed premise. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-be-uncomfortable-sharing-meat-space-with-troglodyte-homophobes/662073.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-be-uncomfortable-sharing-meat-space-with-troglodyte-homophobes/662073.md?page=10)