# Would you date a fat person that wore tight clothes all the time? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [July 26, 2014, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-date-a-fat-person-that-wore-tight-clothes-all-the-time/694077 "2014-07-26T03:09:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![jayrey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/47e85d/32.png) [@jayrey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayrey)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2014, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-date-a-fat-person-that-wore-tight-clothes-all-the-time/694077/21 "2014-07-26T16:41:22Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Dumb OP but this right here is how **JohnClay** earns his keep around here. > > Good on ya, mate! I agree. **JohnClay** is not one of my favorite posters but this was golden! ---
**Author:** ![lorene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/65b543/32.png) [@lorene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lorene)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2014, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-date-a-fat-person-that-wore-tight-clothes-all-the-time/694077/22 "2014-07-26T16:59:56Z")
> [@Incubus](#): > > A friend of mine had an ex girlfriend that was like this. She weighed over 300lbs but blamed it on birth control. She wore clothes that looked like they were zapped by a shrink ray, causing her arms and legs to sausage out in every direction. Her apartment was a disaster, it looked like a bomb went off inside of it. > > Maybe she had a great personality, right? That’s certainly what everybody initially assumed; maybe she just doesn’t care about what she looks like physically, its whats _inside_ that counts. Unfortunately for her, she was as sharp as a bowling ball, disorganized, always suffering one crisis after another due to cascades of bad decisions she would constantly make. She was always having money problems and mooched off my friend constantly. To me, it seemed obvious why she was fat, wearing ill-fitting clothes and living in a dump of an apartment- it was because she took no pride in herself or her surroundings. Anything she was terrible at (the list was long) she would just completely dismiss. Lose weight? Only vain people care about their body shape! Get clothes that fit? How vain :rolleyes: . Organize her superfund site of an apartment? The Landlord doesn’t care, why should she? (eventually the landlord _did_ care, which is a whole other story). Apply for a better job so she wasn’t always living paycheck to paycheck? The job market sucks! (somehow my wife managed to be gainfully employed from age 15 to present date in spite of the sucky job market) She had no desire to aspire to be anything better, which just made her that much worse in contrast. Eventually I convinced my friend to dump her, since the only reason he was really with her was because her helplessness made him feel useful. He’s married now to a much more assertive woman who is extremely goal-driven, and an absolute adrenaline junkie. And its made a huge difference for my friend. So from your data point of one fat tight-clothing fan, you determined that they all have these same traits? That’s…special. ---
**Author:** ![Incubus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c68b51/32.png) [@Incubus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Incubus)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2014, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-date-a-fat-person-that-wore-tight-clothes-all-the-time/694077/23 "2014-07-26T17:02:32Z")
> [@lorene](#): > > So from your data point of one fat tight-clothing fan, you determined that they all have these same traits? That’s…special. I could give a lot more specific examples but you’d be reading this thread for quite a while. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2014, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-date-a-fat-person-that-wore-tight-clothes-all-the-time/694077/24 "2014-07-26T17:25:24Z")
I’m living in china right now. _All_ the girls wear tight clothes, hot pants etc (so it’s cultural, not a personality defect), and the overweight girls…damn they’re hot… …what were we talking about again? ---
**Author:** ![Incubus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c68b51/32.png) [@Incubus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Incubus)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2014, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-date-a-fat-person-that-wore-tight-clothes-all-the-time/694077/25 "2014-07-26T17:33:25Z")
> [@Mijin](#): > > I’m living in china right now. _All_ the girls wear tight clothes, hot pants etc (so it’s cultural, not a personality defect), and the overweight girls…damn they’re hot… > > …what were we talking about again? How many of them are 300lbs? And don’t say “fifteen of them crammed in a phone booth”. That doesn’t count! 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2014, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-date-a-fat-person-that-wore-tight-clothes-all-the-time/694077/26 "2014-07-26T17:46:44Z")
> [@Incubus](#): > > How many of them are 300lbs? And don’t say “fifteen of them crammed in a phone booth”. That doesn’t count! 😛 Well I was going to ask that question of “how overweight are we talking”? Someone morbidly obese…no, I probably wouldn’t find them physically attractive whatever they were wearing. ---
**Author:** ![lorene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/65b543/32.png) [@lorene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lorene)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2014, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-date-a-fat-person-that-wore-tight-clothes-all-the-time/694077/27 "2014-07-26T18:07:26Z")
> [@Incubus](#): > > I could give a lot more specific examples but you’d be reading this thread for quite a while. Especially because there’s so much opportunity for counter-data-points. Or, more correctly put, anecdotes. I’m a size 4/6 and I hate hate **hate** when clothes are too tight. I also have terrible organizational skills and a lot of trouble with clutter, particularly clean laundry that won’t put itself away. I have a friend who weighs over 200 pounds and is organized to the point of fastidiousness. I can only imagine that it’s the size of the gap between her waist and her pants that makes this possible? If her clothes get tighter, she’ll lose all of her good qualities? You of course have the right to your opinions and preferences, but your reasoning is flawed. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2014, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-date-a-fat-person-that-wore-tight-clothes-all-the-time/694077/28 "2014-07-26T21:07:44Z")
> [@](#): > > Would you date a fat person that wore tight clothes all the time? No, she would have to take them off at some point. _And I’ll be waiting._ Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Lamia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Lamia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamia)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2014, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-date-a-fat-person-that-wore-tight-clothes-all-the-time/694077/29 "2014-07-26T22:57:59Z")
**Incubus** , is there a reason why you keep starting these kinds of threads? I seem to remember you mentioning once or twice that you’re happily married, and yet you keep making a point of telling us that you wouldn’t date a fat woman. Your “[Would you date a BBW?](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=718332)” thread from just a few months ago had practically the same OP as this one. At around the same time you also started at least [two](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=721766) [threads](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=718349) about whether fat women were considered attractive in other cultures. You seem to spend an awful lot of time thinking about dating fat women, how many men would date fat women, and whether fat women are attractive for a married man who claims he isn’t attracted to fat women. Looking over the “Would you date a BBW?” thread again, I see that while you made a big deal about not being attracted to fat women you kept calling them “BBW” (“Big Beautiful Women”), a term used by fat fetishists. Several posters pointed this out to you and asked you to stop using the term, but you kept on doing it. I think someone has a dirty secret that he’s ashamed of. ---
**Author:** ![Incubus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c68b51/32.png) [@Incubus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Incubus)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2014, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-date-a-fat-person-that-wore-tight-clothes-all-the-time/694077/30 "2014-07-27T00:17:25Z")
No dirty secret, **Lamia**. In the BBW thread I admitted to dating larger women in the past. Their body type wasn’t my thing, and I realized I had standards that were too low. So I moved on. Every fat woman I know personally has the same immature hang-ups in life. They’re all disorganized, immature, lazy, and boring. People come stampeding into the thread thinking they’ve got the exception to the rule, but at the end of the day if you have the effort to take care of your own body then it’s going to extend to a lot of other categories in your life. What % of female PhDs are morbidly obese compared to the national US average? How many female politicians or CEOs are morbidly obese? ---
**Author:** ![chiroptera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/df705f/32.png) [@chiroptera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chiroptera)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2014, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-date-a-fat-person-that-wore-tight-clothes-all-the-time/694077/31 "2014-07-27T00:32:59Z")
> [@Incubus](#): > > No dirty secret, **Lamia**. In the BBW thread I admitted to dating larger women in the past. Their body type wasn’t my thing, and I realized I had standards that were too low. So I moved on. > > Every fat woman I know personally has the same immature hang-ups in life. They’re all disorganized, immature, lazy, and boring. People come stampeding into the thread thinking they’ve got the exception to the rule, but at the end of the day if you have the effort to take care of your own body then it’s going to extend to a lot of other categories in your life. > > What % of female PhDs are morbidly obese compared to the national US average? > > How many female politicians or CEOs are morbidly obese? Well, how many MALE politicians or CEOs or pHDs are morbidly obese? If you raise Chris Christie or that fat druggie Limbaugh, I’ll play Oprah or Carnie Wilson and dozens more…interesting that all of a sudden you’re focusing on women. It’s no secret that successful people (of either gender) tend to be thin; but that doesn’t mean that unsuccessful people tend to be overweight. Do you have any, even just one, cites for your rather outlandish claims? Because otherwise you are just one more random person on the internet with an opinion, and we all know what opinions are worth. I can think of several seriously obese people in my personal life that are organised, well-put-together, interesting and driven to succeed. And several skinny people who are, as well. And vice versa. ---
**Author:** ![Lamia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Lamia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamia)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2014, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-date-a-fat-person-that-wore-tight-clothes-all-the-time/694077/32 "2014-07-27T00:51:42Z")
> [@Incubus](#): > > No dirty secret, **Lamia**. In the BBW thread I admitted to dating larger women in the past. Their body type wasn’t my thing, and I realized I had standards that were too low. So I moved on. You obviously haven’t moved on, because you keep starting threads about dating fat women and whether fat women are attractive. I asked why you do this. It’s certainly not because you lack interest in fat women, because people don’t start one thread after another to talk about subjects that don’t interest them. I’m pretty sure I know why you’re so obsessed with the subject of fat women and the men who are attracted to them, I’m just wondering whether _you_ understand what your real motivations are. ---
**Author:** ![joyfool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@joyfool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joyfool)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2014, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-date-a-fat-person-that-wore-tight-clothes-all-the-time/694077/33 "2014-07-27T02:43:39Z")
I’m beginning to think it’s his _wife_ that’s severely overweight and he’s worried he’s constantly being negatively judged for it. That would explain so much. ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2014, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-date-a-fat-person-that-wore-tight-clothes-all-the-time/694077/34 "2014-07-27T02:50:18Z")
> [@faithfool](#): > > I’m beginning to think it’s his _wife_ that’s severely overweight and he’s worried he’s constantly being negatively judged for it. That would explain so much. Oh they’re _both_ probably fucking whales. You know what im constantly reminded of with all of these fat-bashing/women bashing threads started by **Incubus**? Those fucking closeted gay men who rabidly hate openly-gay people with the fire of a thousand suns and talk about “praying the gay away”, etc. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2014, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-date-a-fat-person-that-wore-tight-clothes-all-the-time/694077/35 "2014-07-27T03:21:59Z")
Looking into it, there actually seems to be an inverse correlation between [conscientiousness](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscientiousness)and obesity. [http://www.ori.org/news\_and\_events/news/low\_childhood\_conscientiousness\_predicts\_adult\_obesity](http://www.ori.org/news_and_events/news/low_childhood_conscientiousness_predicts_adult_obesity) > **[The Ugly Truth About Obesity](https://staffanspersonalityblog.wordpress.com/2013/05/30/the-ugly-truth-about-obesity/)** > > Obesity, defined as having a BMI over 30, is increasingly common these days. In America 30 percent of the population is obese while many other Western countries have similar figures (no pun intende… ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2014, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-date-a-fat-person-that-wore-tight-clothes-all-the-time/694077/36 "2014-07-27T03:28:41Z")
> [@Incubus](#): > > No dirty secret, **Lamia**. In the BBW thread I admitted to dating larger women in the past. Their body type wasn’t my thing, and I realized I had standards that were too low. So I moved on. > > Every fat woman I know personally has the same immature hang-ups in life. They’re all disorganized, immature, lazy, and boring. People come stampeding into the thread thinking they’ve got the exception to the rule, but at the end of the day if you have the effort to take care of your own body then it’s going to extend to a lot of other categories in your life. > > What % of female PhDs are morbidly obese compared to the national US average? > > How many female politicians or CEOs are morbidly obese? How do you separate cause from effect? How many CEOs or politicians are black, short, horribly ugly, etc? Are those people bad at leadership, or do we as a society just not value them enough to let them lead (most CEOs and politicians are white and above average in height). An obese female has 2 strikes against her in the world of business and politics. That doesn’t mean obese women are inferior, just that people don’t value them as much or take them as seriously. Elena Kagan and Sonia Sotomayor are chubby and they are on the supreme court. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2014, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-date-a-fat-person-that-wore-tight-clothes-all-the-time/694077/37 "2014-07-27T03:44:07Z")
> [@Ambivalid](#): > > Oh they’re _both_ probably fucking whales. You know what im constantly reminded of with all of these fat-bashing/women bashing threads started by **Incubus**? Those fucking closeted gay men who rabidly hate openly-gay people with the fire of a thousand suns and talk about “praying the gay away”, etc. I’m reminded of how poor whites are often the most racist towards minorities because feeling superior to someone becomes extra necessary when you’re at the bottom of the food chain. ---
**Author:** ![ZipperJJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zipperjj/32/211_2.png) [@ZipperJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZipperJJ)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2014, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-date-a-fat-person-that-wore-tight-clothes-all-the-time/694077/38 "2014-07-27T04:07:08Z")
> [@faithfool](#): > > I’m beginning to think it’s his _wife_ that’s severely overweight and he’s worried he’s constantly being negatively judged for it. That would explain so much. Here’s my theory: At his large Mexican wedding, he met a lot of his wife’s relatives and they happened to be very fat. (They also happened to be well dressed, not because they were at a wedding but because they are Mexicanly superior to Dopers and dress like that at the grocery store too, even though they are fat. While we are all gringo slobs who don’t work hard.) Anyway, despite being well dressed these people were fat and shared genes with his wife. It scares the shit out of him that his wife could get fat as she got older or had kids, like her relatives, so he has to rationalize it: these people, and all people are fat because they are less intelligent and care less about themselves than my wife and me. They have given up and are 100% responsible for their size. It has nothing to do with genes. As long as my wife stays more intelligent and morally superior to these folks, I will never have a fat wife. He could never stay married to a fat woman, but couldn’t divorce a Mexican. Because her cousins are all in a gang and would kill him. I know this because all of the Mexican I know is in a gang. ---
**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2014, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-date-a-fat-person-that-wore-tight-clothes-all-the-time/694077/39 "2014-07-27T04:19:11Z")
I have a strong attraction to guys who are very thin. That’s just the way I’ve always been, and I can’t explain it. On rare occasions, though, I’ve been attracted to overweight guys, regardless of how they’re dressed. ---
**Author:** ![Leaffan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leaffan/32/299_2.png) [@Leaffan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaffan)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2014, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-date-a-fat-person-that-wore-tight-clothes-all-the-time/694077/40 "2014-07-27T04:47:50Z")
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