# Would you give Mike Pence a chance? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [February 15, 2017, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-give-mike-pence-a-chance/779900 "2017-02-15T13:18:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2017, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-give-mike-pence-a-chance/779900/41 "2017-02-15T17:32:59Z")
> [@TruCelt](#): > > So, yeah. How this poll is running 50-50 I have no idea. Pence has not left any room for doubt about his intentions. There’s no need for a “chance.” Because none of what you said actually tells me how he’d handle the Presidency. And because it would put to a lie my point about how Trump is different. Trump is definitely Evil. Pence is conservative, and has some ideas I think are evil, but I don’t know he’s evil himself. I mean, I know quite a lot of people like Pence–a huge portion of the people I went to church with. Many are not evil, just misguided. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2017, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-give-mike-pence-a-chance/779900/42 "2017-02-15T17:46:38Z")
No. He’s a far right scumball; he’d be a disaster whether he screws up or if he succeeds, so there’s nothing to give him a “chance” over in the first place. He’d be a disaster; the only question is what\* precise\* variety of disaster he would be. ---
**Author:** ![jtur88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e9c0ed/32.png) [@jtur88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jtur88)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2017, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-give-mike-pence-a-chance/779900/43 "2017-02-15T18:14:30Z")
I don’t recalll Indiana distinguishing itself for its misgovernment during his term of office. A few state governors deserve special attention for their abuse of power, like New Jersey and Wisconsin, but if Indiana was one of them, it flew under the radar. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2017, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-give-mike-pence-a-chance/779900/44 "2017-02-15T20:10:09Z")
> [@panache45](#): > > It’s amazing how much better John McCain and Mitt Romney, and even George W. Bush, appear in retrospect. My digestion is occasionally impeded by the thought that I might one day look back with greater appreciation on Trump and Pence. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2017, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-give-mike-pence-a-chance/779900/45 "2017-02-15T20:23:51Z")
> [@BeepKillBeep](#): > > So let’s suppose Trump is impeached and Mike Pence is declared president. Would you give him a chance? If Pence is about equivalent to Reagan or either of the Bushes, sure, some leeway is due. If however he tries to install an obviously self-destructing joke of a kleptocracy like Trump… no quarter should be given, and Republicans better know that nobody will shy away from back-to-back impeachments. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2017, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-give-mike-pence-a-chance/779900/46 "2017-02-15T20:37:03Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > My digestion is occasionally impeded by the thought that I might one day look back with greater appreciation on Trump and Pence. Not to worry! In such a scenario you would be far too concerned with meeting your vat-meat quota, lest you get ritually fed to the Great Maw, to look wistfully back upon simpler times. ---
**Author:** ![PapSett](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ecc23a/32.png) [@PapSett](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PapSett)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2017, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-give-mike-pence-a-chance/779900/47 "2017-02-15T20:39:03Z")
He already had his chance with me as governor of my state and he about ruined us. Nope. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2017, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-give-mike-pence-a-chance/779900/48 "2017-02-15T20:48:20Z")
If Pence had any integrity he would quite the Trump Administration in protest over being lied to by Trump and Flynn. But he’s too close to taking over to see straight. ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2017, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-give-mike-pence-a-chance/779900/49 "2017-02-15T20:52:06Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > If Pence had any integrity he would quite the Trump Administration in protest over being lied to by Trump and Flynn. But he’s too close to taking over to see straight. If all politicians quit because they were lied to, there would be no more politicians. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2017, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-give-mike-pence-a-chance/779900/50 "2017-02-15T20:59:35Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > If all politicians quit because they were lied to, there would be no more politicians. Lied to by the President and the National Security Advisor? I’d quit in a second. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2017, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-give-mike-pence-a-chance/779900/51 "2017-02-15T21:27:25Z")
> [@;](#): > Interesting poll but a chance for what, specifically. To act as President? To finish a term as President? I doubt that many a member in good standing of the Democrat collective would give _any_ Republican President a chance. The Democrat collective considered the 2016 general election as Hillary’s turn to be President. Any Republican candidate who beat her would receive the same treatment that Trump/Pence has received. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2017, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-give-mike-pence-a-chance/779900/52 "2017-02-15T21:35:01Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Interesting poll but a chance for what, specifically. To act as President? To finish a term as President? I doubt that many a member in good standing of the Democrat collective would give _any_ Republican President a chance. The Democrat collective considered the 2016 general election as Hillary’s turn to be President. Any Republican candidate who beat her would receive the same treatment that Trump/Pence has received. I don’t like the word “meme,” but I don’t know how else to explain the right’s misconception about why we are unhappy. It’s really not that Hillary was denied her rightful place as the First Female President. We get that she lost, and if she lost to O’Malley or Kasich, or even Jeb Bush, we’d shrug and realize “that’s politics.” _Please_ try to understand the profound revulsion all rational people feel when they consider Mr. Trump occupies the Oval Office. It’s not a matter of Hillary losing, it’s who won that bothers us. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2017, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-give-mike-pence-a-chance/779900/53 "2017-02-15T21:55:28Z")
> [@jtur88](#): > > I don’t recalll Indiana distinguishing itself for its misgovernment during his term of office. A few state governors deserve special attention for their abuse of power, like New Jersey and Wisconsin, but if Indiana was one of them, it flew under the radar. He was known for [using the police to suppress votes](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/10/15/group-accuses-mike-pence-of-voter-suppression-after-state-police-raid-registration-program-in-indiana/?utm_term=.a362088b89c4). ---
**Author:** ![gigi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a587f6/32.png) [@gigi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gigi)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2017, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-give-mike-pence-a-chance/779900/54 "2017-02-15T22:48:31Z")
> [@Sattua](#): > > But at least Pence is a “real” politician with some idea of the decorum of the office. He’s lawful evil to Trump’s chaotic evil. Yes. It’s sad that this is the bar that’s been set, but I would be happier with someone who will at least be measured about what he does and follows some sort of procedure, including accepting advice and information. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2017, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-give-mike-pence-a-chance/779900/55 "2017-02-16T01:34:51Z")
Well, considering I really wouldn’t have a choice, I guess I would. But it’d be a pretty tiny one. I’d prefer both of them be booted out of there. (Ryan isn’t my favorite person, but I vastly prefer him to Agent Orange and Co.) ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2017, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-give-mike-pence-a-chance/779900/56 "2017-02-16T01:42:43Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Interesting poll but a chance for what, specifically. To act as President? To finish a term as President? I doubt that many a member in good standing of the Democrat collective would give _any_ Republican President a chance. The Democrat collective considered the 2016 general election as Hillary’s turn to be President. Any Republican candidate who beat her would receive the same treatment that Trump/Pence has received. It is unfair that they won’t afford the same level of respect that the Republican tardwagon gives to Democratic presidents. The Republican tardwagon really set the bar high with their dignified opposition to Obama’s policies, based on deeply held principles, never veering into personal or spiteful attacks. We should all aspire to be more like the esteemed members of the Republican tardwagon, who are always willing to reach across the aisle. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2017, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-give-mike-pence-a-chance/779900/57 "2017-02-16T01:48:50Z")
He has the same chance everyone does: If he acts like a decent person, I’ll consider him a decent person eventually. He’s starting in the red, so he’d better get crackin’. ---
**Author:** ![gigi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a587f6/32.png) [@gigi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gigi)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2017, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-give-mike-pence-a-chance/779900/58 "2017-02-16T16:19:59Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > It is unfair that they won’t afford the same level of respect that the Republican tardwagon gives to Democratic presidents. The Republican tardwagon really set the bar high with their dignified opposition to Obama’s policies, based on deeply held principles, never veering into personal or spiteful attacks. We should all aspire to be more like the esteemed members of the Republican tardwagon, who are always willing to reach across the aisle. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2017, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-give-mike-pence-a-chance/779900/59 "2017-02-16T16:28:48Z")
Sure. Why not? Pence is well respected. A former Congressman and Governor. He’s the best decision Trump ever made. I don’t agree with Pence’s far right leaning politics. But he’s certainly qualified to serve as President. Just be thankful Chris Christie isn’t VP. That guy… Bridgegate OMG let’s not go there. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2017, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-give-mike-pence-a-chance/779900/60 "2017-02-16T16:29:45Z")
> [@BeepKillBeep](#): > > It means whatever you choose for it to mean. That’s why I’ve tried to keep it open ended to facilitate discussion. In my mind it means to not oppose his presidency on day 1 before he has taken any actions. Of course I wouldn’t give him that sort of chance. He’s not a blank slate, a mysterious stranger from beyond the stars who’s materialized in the White House. He has a political history, he has stated positions, he has a well-established personality and reputation. I oppose the vast majority of the changes he has stated he wants to make to the country; why would his assuming the office change either his opinions or mine? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-give-mike-pence-a-chance/779900.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-give-mike-pence-a-chance/779900.md?page=4)