# Would you have let your kid vist the Neverland Ranch? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [November 20, 2003, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-have-let-your-kid-vist-the-neverland-ranch/214365 "2003-11-20T20:35:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2003, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-have-let-your-kid-vist-the-neverland-ranch/214365/41 "2003-11-22T05:14:34Z")
You know, there’s plenty of folks out there who think that OJ was framed simply because he was a wealthy black man, I’m sure that those same people think that MJ is being set up because he’s black. A friend of mine in high school recounted how her mother just wasn’t buying the whole Rock Hudson’s gay business, even **after** he died of AIDS. Denial is a powerful thing (just ask any recovering addict). Still, I personally wouldn’t allow my left nut (that being the best I can offer, not having any kids) near Whacko Jacko, supervised or unsupervised. He’s a deve, there’s no doubt about it. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2003, 6:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-have-let-your-kid-vist-the-neverland-ranch/214365/42 "2003-11-22T06:08:50Z")
There are fans NOW saying they’d have no problem with their children staying with him, that it’s all a pack of lies, and Michael is a wonderful, caring individual. Me, I wouldn’t trust him to spend time alone with one of my cats, let alone a child. Hell, I wouldn’t trust him to take care of a houseplant. ---
**Author:** ![superstar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f4b2a3/32.png) [@superstar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/superstar)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2003, 6:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-have-let-your-kid-vist-the-neverland-ranch/214365/43 "2003-11-22T06:11:28Z")
I wouldn’t leave my child with a child abuser, suspected child abuser, or any male who wasn’t his father, or grandfather. I realised my references were only to men. Hmmm… that’s just my frame of reference… interesting though. ---
**Author:** ![Shana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Shana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shana)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2003, 6:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-have-let-your-kid-vist-the-neverland-ranch/214365/44 "2003-11-22T06:49:29Z")
Um…no! ---
**Author:** ![norinew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/eb9ed0/32.png) [@norinew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/norinew)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2003, 12:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-have-let-your-kid-vist-the-neverland-ranch/214365/45 "2003-11-22T12:17:03Z")
No way I’d let one of my kids go there! It has occurred to me that perhaps the people charging him with these crimes are just out to make a quick buck. Hell, the guy’s so weird, who wouldn’t believe him capable, right? And maybe that’s the way it is. Maybe he’s just exceedingly weird, but not dangerous, and a few mercenaries out there are seeing a shot at the golden apple. Maybe he’s not a child molester. But I don’t send my kids into potentially hazardous “maybe” kinds of situations. I don’t know that he’s guilty, but I certainly don’t know that he’s not! ---
**Author:** ![PunditLisa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/4af34b/32.png) [@PunditLisa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PunditLisa)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2003, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-have-let-your-kid-vist-the-neverland-ranch/214365/46 "2003-11-22T14:20:32Z")
Two invitations that would find their way in the trash: Michael Jackson invites WeePundit to NeverLand for a slumber party! and Tommy Lee invites WeePundit to his house for a swim party!\* \*Well, okay, in Tommy Lee’s defense he did require the parents to stay and supervise. I don’t really blame him for that child drowning. However, I can’t imagine the first thought that would have gone through my mind upon opening up THAT invitation. Well, okay, my SECOND thought (the first being a disturbing visual of his anatomy). I mean, no offense to the fellas here but a single dad throwing a birthday party, especially a swim party, is a bit odd to begin with. I’m picturing what kind of party my husband would throw together for 2 year old kids: (“Okay, let’s see who can do the best back flip off the diving board!! What? You can’t swim yet? Well, just move your arms and legs real fast!”) But then you throw Lee’s less-than-stellar reputation. And rock star automatically means drugs and booze, doesn’t it? He’s been arrested for beating his wife. He married Pamela Anderson. After one date. He has tattoos running up and down his arms. And his band sucks! Gee, I don’t know. I’m thinking the Pundits might be busy that day. ---
**Author:** ![Rysdad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/7cd45c/32.png) [@Rysdad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysdad)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2003, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-have-let-your-kid-vist-the-neverland-ranch/214365/47 "2003-11-22T17:02:47Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Tuckerfan \* > \*\*…I’m sure that those same people think that MJ is being set up because he’s black. \*\* I dunno. I think he metamorphosed or something. I know about the plastic surgery and stuff, but I’m not altogether sure he’s still classified as the same species he started out as. ---
**Author:** ![UselessGit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/74df32/32.png) [@UselessGit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UselessGit)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2003, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-have-let-your-kid-vist-the-neverland-ranch/214365/48 "2003-11-22T17:42:56Z")
I’m sure MJ would make a lot of good friends in jail… ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2003, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-have-let-your-kid-vist-the-neverland-ranch/214365/49 "2003-11-22T21:00:59Z")
If he goes to jail, he’ll be isolated. There’s no way he would be allowed into the general population. ---
**Author:** ![tarragon918](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/d26b3c/32.png) [@tarragon918](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tarragon918)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2003, 8:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-have-let-your-kid-vist-the-neverland-ranch/214365/50 "2003-11-23T08:16:45Z")
There is NO WAY IN HELL that I would allow my child to spend -any- time with MJ, especially not overnight, unsupervised. And what’s more, I think any parent who would do so needs to have their head examined, at the very least. JMHO. ---
**Author:** ![Chavardz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/91b2a8/32.png) [@Chavardz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chavardz)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2003, 8:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-have-let-your-kid-vist-the-neverland-ranch/214365/51 "2003-11-23T08:37:07Z")
Hell no ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2003, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-have-let-your-kid-vist-the-neverland-ranch/214365/52 "2003-11-23T14:01:14Z")
I may never have children just so I can ensure that they will never be anywhere near Michael Jackson. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2003, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-have-let-your-kid-vist-the-neverland-ranch/214365/53 "2003-11-23T14:27:34Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Palewriter \* > \*\*I really wish Jacko would take his gazillion dollars and simply disappear. There must be some island or small nation he can buy and move to? > \*\* Sure, there is. Sri Lanka. He could hang with his fellow enthusiast Arthur C. Clarke. ---
**Author:** ![born\_too\_late](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ba9def/32.png) [@born\_too\_late](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/born_too_late)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2003, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-have-let-your-kid-vist-the-neverland-ranch/214365/54 "2003-11-24T04:02:27Z")
**Would you have let your kid visit the Neverland Ranch?** Hell yeah! Especially if I was a deranged, socially irresponsible parent looking for a fat settlement from a rich and famous person who also happens to be an easy target. ---
**Author:** ![Master\_Wang-Ka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/master_wang-ka/32/3325_2.png) [@Master\_Wang-Ka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Master_Wang-Ka)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2003, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-have-let-your-kid-vist-the-neverland-ranch/214365/55 "2003-11-24T04:10:11Z")
No, I would not, and I have trouble understanding why any sane parent would. But, then, I have trouble understanding why any sane human would willingly appear on the Jerry Springer Show, too. Unless you’re a beautiful woman who’s going to take her top off, you are likely to be humiliated, insulted, screamed at, and/or physically attacked in some way… on national television. Why would anyone want to do this? Well, some people ain’t wrapped too tight. Or they’re nuts. Or they’re idiots. Or they want the money. Or they’re just willing to do anything to be on TV and meet the famous Jerry Springer or whatever. People subject to this kind of reasoning (or lack of same) would, I think, be willing to send their kids out to the Neverland Ranch for a night of fun and games with Wacko Jacko. And that’s not even considering the ones who might be willing to prostitute their children to a rich pedophile. ---
**Author:** ![Rilchiam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rilchiam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rilchiam)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2003, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-have-let-your-kid-vist-the-neverland-ranch/214365/56 "2003-11-24T04:18:37Z")
Is it possible, though, that MJ in person has a charisma we don’t see on camera, because when he is on camera he’s doing stuff like dangling his kid over a balcony? Maybe he “seduces” the parents first, by cooing and fluttering and seeming to be so charming and naive that they end up thinking, “Such a sweet boy…I mean man…I must have had him all wrong!” ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2003, 7:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-have-let-your-kid-vist-the-neverland-ranch/214365/57 "2003-11-24T07:16:03Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Rilchiam \* > \*\*Is it possible, though, that MJ in person has a charisma we don’t see on camera, because when he is on camera he’s doing stuff like dangling his kid over a balcony? > > Maybe he “seduces” the parents first, by cooing and fluttering and seeming to be so charming and naive that they end up thinking, “Such a sweet boy…I mean man…I must have had him all wrong!” \*\* Whatever charisma the man/boy/it may have, I’d think that his overall persona would be so freaky that one might as well have Robbie the Robot screaming, “Danger, Will Robinson! Danger! Danger!” And no doubt he _does_ seduce the parents first. That’s generally how pedophiles work, they lull the parents into thinking that there’s nothing wrong with them, so if their victim acts suspicious or informs them that they’re being abused, the parent is disinclined to believe them. ---
**Author:** ![Equipoise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/equipoise/32/151_2.png) [@Equipoise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Equipoise)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2003, 7:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-have-let-your-kid-vist-the-neverland-ranch/214365/58 "2003-11-24T07:33:57Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Evil Captor \* > \*\*Sure, there is. Sri Lanka. He could hang with his fellow enthusiast Arthur C. Clarke. \*\* What is that supposed to mean? Are there rumors that Clarke is a pedophile? ---
**Author:** ![handy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b5a626/32.png) [@handy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/handy)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2003, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-have-let-your-kid-vist-the-neverland-ranch/214365/59 "2003-11-24T15:42:33Z")
"I really wish Jacko would take his gazillion dollars and simply disappear. " He doesn’t have that much $$ … Hmm, seems MJ has now started a website, kinda of bland, but worth a look: [http://www.mjnews.us/](http://www.mjnews.us/) ---
**Author:** ![Mehitabel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8797f3/32.png) [@Mehitabel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mehitabel)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2003, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-have-let-your-kid-vist-the-neverland-ranch/214365/60 "2003-11-24T21:10:25Z")
**handy** , that’s not just ANY website, that’s the “site of official communications” according to CNN! Now, I don’t have kids, but _several years ago_, would I have let my kid set foot on Neverland Ranch? Maybe. With me. And forty other kids. In the daytime. Outdoors only. Never ever overnight and never ever alone with that weirdo for one second. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-have-let-your-kid-vist-the-neverland-ranch/214365.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-have-let-your-kid-vist-the-neverland-ranch/214365.md?page=4)