# Would you let a twelve-year-old girl watch Annie Hall? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** movies\ **Created:** [November 18, 2021, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-let-a-twelve-year-old-girl-watch-annie-hall/954590 "2021-11-18T23:51:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Rilchiam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rilchiam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rilchiam)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2021, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-let-a-twelve-year-old-girl-watch-annie-hall/954590/41 "2021-11-19T19:09:20Z")
> [@Grrr](#): > > In the first season people used to laugh when Edith hits the high note in the intro song. but then in season 2 or 3 they cut that laugh out. Yeah, and at the same time, they enunciated “Gee, our old La Salle ran great” more clearly. (And for another bit of TV trivia, if you’re fortunate enough to get to watch WKRP, you’re not mishearing the closing-credits song. It’s meant to be gibberish!) ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2021, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-let-a-twelve-year-old-girl-watch-annie-hall/954590/42 "2021-11-19T19:12:29Z")
> [@Rilchiam](#): > > Yikes! I did not know that. I’ve never seen it and don’t intend to\*. Okay then! Indeed; that’s why I had noted that, if your daughter had been allowed to watch _The Favourite_, then the sexual content in _Annie Hall_ should not be a big deal. (Then again, you said that your daughter had watched it with her mother, so I should have realized that you might not have seen the film yourself.) FWIW, here’s the “parents guide” page for _The Favourite_ on IMDB; there isn’t a lot of nudity, but there are several scenes in which sex is discussed and/or performed. > **[The Favourite (2018) - IMDb](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5083738/parentalguide#advisory-nudity)** > > The Favourite (2018) Parents Guide and Certifications from around the world. ---
**Author:** ![peccavi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peccavi/32/388_2.png) [@peccavi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peccavi)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2021, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-let-a-twelve-year-old-girl-watch-annie-hall/954590/43 "2021-11-19T19:12:59Z")
> [@Rilchiam](#): > > Yikes! I did not know that. I’ve never seen it and don’t intend to Pity. You’re missing a delicious black-comedy of manners and neurosis. If you know the director’s work, it is a buttoned down compared to some of his other films. Of the nominated performances for Best Actress that year, only Lady Gaga’s performance didn’t rise to what I would call “Oscar-worthy”. ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2021, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-let-a-twelve-year-old-girl-watch-annie-hall/954590/44 "2021-11-19T19:34:05Z")
I’d add _ **A Man for All Seasons** _ to this list for sure. ---
**Author:** ![GreenWyvern](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/greenwyvern/32/2834_2.png) [@GreenWyvern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreenWyvern)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2021, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-let-a-twelve-year-old-girl-watch-annie-hall/954590/45 "2021-11-19T19:43:33Z")
> [@terentii](#): > > I’d add _ **A Man for All Seasons** _ to this list for sure.   Much rather _Wolf Hall_. (Okay, it’s a six-part TV series, not a movie.) ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2021, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-let-a-twelve-year-old-girl-watch-annie-hall/954590/46 "2021-11-19T19:51:32Z")
If you want to go with TV series, they don’t get better than _ **Elizabeth R** _. Glenda Jackson is superb as QE I. (I actually prefer this series to _ **The Six Wives of Henry VIII** _.) There are lots of good “period costume dramas.” The question is, How heavy do you want your history/anachronisms? Zefirelli’s _ **Romeo and Juliet** _? _ **Cromwell** _? _ **The Sea Hawk** _? _ **Captain from Castille** _? _ **El Cid** _? _ **Taras Bulba** _? _ **The Adventures of Robin Hood** _? My favorite “period costume drama” isn’t set during the Middle Ages or Renaissance. It’s _ **The Heiress** _, starring Olivia deHavilland and Montgomery Clift. ---
**Author:** ![N9IWP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/n9iwp/32/3154_2.png) [@N9IWP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N9IWP)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2021, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-let-a-twelve-year-old-girl-watch-annie-hall/954590/47 "2021-11-19T20:57:51Z")
IMHO **Take the Money and Run** is worth it just for the marching cello and “I have a gub” scenes. Brian ---
**Author:** ![jaycat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jaycat/32/3015_2.png) [@jaycat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jaycat)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2021, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-let-a-twelve-year-old-girl-watch-annie-hall/954590/48 "2021-11-19T23:28:39Z")
> [@Icarus](#): > > “See, honey, this was what urban intellectual New Yorkers were like back in the 1970s, . . . By that logic, no one would ever watch any movie set in any time or place other than their own. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2021, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-let-a-twelve-year-old-girl-watch-annie-hall/954590/49 "2021-11-19T23:50:53Z")
I was 13 in 1977. “Annie Hall” kicked off the “layered look” fad, and that’s what I remember about it at the time. I also remembered this Sunday morning comic from a few years ago. > **[HBO No](https://foxtrot.com/2017/07/16/hbo-no/)** > > FoxTrot by Bill Amend | July 16, 2017 ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2021, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-let-a-twelve-year-old-girl-watch-annie-hall/954590/50 "2021-11-19T23:55:07Z")
Annie Hall was a independent, very intelligent, modern woman. She reflected the changing role of women in society. I remember it as quite different from the typical 1970’s romance movie. I’m not sure if a 12 year old today would enjoy the movie. It could be a good topic for discussion. How things have changed. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2021, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-let-a-twelve-year-old-girl-watch-annie-hall/954590/51 "2021-11-20T02:29:47Z")
So glad you gave Paige a say in the entertainment. I love the _Little_ actress, I’d probably love it. > [@Llama\_Llogophile](#): > > my go-to is “Radio Days”. One of his more accessible movies. It’s a nice period piece, great music, funny, no explicit sex, and crucially… Woody isn’t in it, except as narrator. Now that sold me on it, not seeing Woody! Hey, I’d get to smile at Woody’s quirky humor and timing… without constantly having to remind myself “Okay, you don’t respect him as a human being, but do try to appreciate his movies.” ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2021, 6:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-let-a-twelve-year-old-girl-watch-annie-hall/954590/52 "2021-11-20T06:28:59Z")
> [@Rilchiam](#): > > kitchen-sink comedies What’s a "kitchen-sink comedy? I only know “kitchen-sink drama”, and that’s as far from Woody Allen as it’s possible to get without being Bergman… ---
**Author:** ![Rilchiam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rilchiam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rilchiam)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2021, 7:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-let-a-twelve-year-old-girl-watch-annie-hall/954590/53 "2021-11-20T07:19:40Z")
Everything-but-the-kitchen-sink, in this case. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2021, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-let-a-twelve-year-old-girl-watch-annie-hall/954590/54 "2021-11-20T12:03:10Z")
Answering before reading replies. Sure, why the hell not? The kid could find it boring or offensive or boring or good or whatever, I just wouldn’t go in with the ‘I’m going to share this wonderful thing from my youth, the child will _get it_ as much as I, and we can create happy memories together sharing this thing we both now love’ attitude because, well, the kid usually isn’t on the same agenda. 😝 The question of whether it’s appropriate for you to go outside her parents understood norms is a subject for another thread. (I say ‘of course’, given this context.) My ex and I did very little monitoring of Sophia’s media consumption, and she’s doing gangbusters, so it’s an overblown concern imho… but then, overblown with _my_ kid. Other kids? 🤷‍♂️ Diane Keaton looks fantastic in this movie and when I think of ‘70s female apparel’, her Annie is the first image to come to mind. Truly iconic. ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2021, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-let-a-twelve-year-old-girl-watch-annie-hall/954590/55 "2021-11-20T12:57:18Z")
I’d dump any woman who’d admit to boinking Woody Allen like toxic waste. Yeccch! 🤢 ---
**Author:** ![Icarus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/icarus/32/72_2.png) [@Icarus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Icarus)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2021, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-let-a-twelve-year-old-girl-watch-annie-hall/954590/56 "2021-11-20T15:40:33Z")
So, I take it you didn’t see my use of the word “depends” in the first clause? That would preclude a conclusion of “no one”… ---
**Author:** ![Rilchiam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rilchiam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rilchiam)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2021, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-let-a-twelve-year-old-girl-watch-annie-hall/954590/57 "2021-11-20T19:41:26Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > I just wouldn’t go in with the ‘I’m going to share this wonderful thing from my youth, the child will _get it_ as much as I, and we can create happy memories together sharing this thing we both now love’ attitude because, well, the kid usually isn’t on the same agenda. 😝 Yeah, I wouldn’t even do that with The Wizard of Oz. Once you start that, the best reaction you can hope for is indifference. And that applies to adults as well. I’ve long since given up telling other adults “You’re gonna love this!” and I side-eye adults who tell me that. ---
**Author:** ![InfraBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infrablue/32/6366_2.png) [@InfraBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/InfraBlue)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2021, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-let-a-twelve-year-old-girl-watch-annie-hall/954590/58 "2021-11-22T22:54:31Z")
Exactly! > [@N9IWP](#): > > IMHO **Take the Money and Run** is worth it just for the marching cello and “I have a gub” scenes. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2021, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-let-a-twelve-year-old-girl-watch-annie-hall/954590/59 "2021-11-25T22:20:03Z")
Despite the revelations regarding Allen’s character in recent times, I still believe that these are among the best American movies ever made: - Play It Again, Sam - Love and Death - Annie Hall - Manhattan - Broadway Danny Rose - The Purple Rose of Cairo - Hannah and Her Sisters - Radio Days - Crimes and Misdemeanors And many of the remaining films have _some_ aspect that makes them worth seeing, at least up to 2012. Everything after _Midnight in Paris_ is garbage. Woody Allen is just another one of those people who have produced art that is of cultural value who has also (perhaps) done some horrible things. He is far from the only one. We have to come to terms with those kinds of matters. It’s not like it’s anything new. ---
**Author:** ![Wendell\_Wagner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/8491ac/32.png) [@Wendell\_Wagner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wendell_Wagner)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2021, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-let-a-twelve-year-old-girl-watch-annie-hall/954590/60 "2021-11-26T02:24:09Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > these are among the best American movies ever made I think so too. _Play It Again, Sam_ is my favorite movie of all time. _Annie Hall_ and _Hannah and Her Sisters_ are also among my 100 favorite movies. I am not a judge, a lawyer, or a member of a jury, so I have no more knowledge about what Allen has done in the matters he’s being accused of than any other random person. I have seen nearly all of his films and read a lot about him and his movies and know a lot about movies in general. Why should the personal life of someone affect our opinion of their work? How far would this go? If I say, “I think we should apply some geometry to this mathematical problem,” would it be O.K. for you to say to me, “Don’t you know that Euclid was a serial killer? Aren’t you bothered by that? Wait, are you a serial killer yourself? Hey, let’s string up Wendell. Nah, that would be too good for him”? My view is that I would have no problem with giving someone a Nobel Prize or an Oscar or whatever and also condemning them to prison for the rest of their life for a crime. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-let-a-twelve-year-old-girl-watch-annie-hall/954590.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-let-a-twelve-year-old-girl-watch-annie-hall/954590.md?page=4)