# Would you let your friend do this degrading, deperate deed? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [July 11, 2016, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-let-your-friend-do-this-degrading-deperate-deed/759691 "2016-07-11T23:06:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Doug\_K](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b5ac83/32.png) [@Doug\_K](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doug_K)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2016, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-let-your-friend-do-this-degrading-deperate-deed/759691/21 "2016-07-12T12:39:35Z")
She’s so determined to be independent that she won’t ask a friend for a ride, but she’ll ask a friend to be a party to something like this? Anyway, crowdfunding existed long before Kickstarter and Gofundme, even if the term hadn’t been coined yet. I’ve known people who raised a lot more than 10K for friends in a short time using word of mouth and donation jars in local stores. ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2016, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-let-your-friend-do-this-degrading-deperate-deed/759691/22 "2016-07-12T12:58:15Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > I am not a lawyer, but consensual BDSM is not illegal, IIRC. I’m not a lawyer either. Money changed hands and there is no enjoyment involved by the victim. (Someone might choke on the words to call this a victim-less crime.) The victim would not have been there except for the money, so we may have an argument that this isn’t consensual. So. We have money changing hands for assault and battery being committed. We have a business card to show that this probably happened before and may just be a business model. We might get a judge to let us use the lower threshold of RICO. Green…! Briscoe! Research this guy… education, prior employers, vendors, professional associations, all known associates, websites he uses, etc. See if you can find anyone who will talk. I’ll try to get judge Harper to issue a warrant for all business files, for the film company handling the productions, and for the ISP handling his website. We can only hold him for 48hrs; lets see if we can get an injunction on his business to get us more time… _doink-doink_ 😃 ---
**Author:** ![jtur88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e9c0ed/32.png) [@jtur88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jtur88)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2016, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-let-your-friend-do-this-degrading-deperate-deed/759691/23 "2016-07-12T13:35:34Z")
You are going to outlive your pets (unless they are parrots). Learn to deal with that. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2016, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-let-your-friend-do-this-degrading-deperate-deed/759691/24 "2016-07-12T13:39:06Z")
Offer to loan her the $10K. IF she declines, shoot the dog. Sic the police on this pornster - see if he can be shut down with some kind of health code violation, or prostitution charge, or something. BDSM is morally wrong, even when it is consensual. No friend of mine is going to do anything morally wrong to save a dog. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2016, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-let-your-friend-do-this-degrading-deperate-deed/759691/25 "2016-07-12T13:39:50Z")
Be with her when the dog is put down. Go with her to get a new dog. ---
**Author:** ![Living\_Well\_Is\_Best\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/6bbea6/32.png) [@Living\_Well\_Is\_Best\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Living_Well_Is_Best_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2016, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-let-your-friend-do-this-degrading-deperate-deed/759691/26 "2016-07-12T14:18:14Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > BDSM is morally wrong, even when it is consensual. No friend of mine is going to do anything morally wrong to save a dog. > > Regards, > Shodan LOL. What two consenting adults do is none of your business. You can think it’s “morally wrong” all you want, but that doesn’t make it so. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2016, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-let-your-friend-do-this-degrading-deperate-deed/759691/27 "2016-07-12T14:19:34Z")
> [@Doug\_K](#): > > She’s so determined to be independent that she won’t ask a friend for a ride, but she’ll ask a friend to be a party to something like this? > . I didn’t say she was wise. But people in desperate straits will do things they wouldn’t do otherwise. That’s what “desperate” means. > [@Count\_Blucher](#): > > I’m not a lawyer either. > > Money changed hands and there is no enjoyment involved by the victim. (Someone might choke on the words to call this a victim-less crime.) The victim would not have been there except for the money, so we may have an argument that this isn’t consensual. > > So. We have money changing hands for assault and battery being committed. We have a business card to show that this probably happened before and may just be a business model. We might get a judge to let us use the lower threshold of RICO. > Green…! Briscoe! Research this guy… education, prior employers, vendors, professional associations, all known associates, websites he uses, etc. See if you can find anyone who will talk. > > I’ll try to get judge Harper to issue a warrant for all business files, for the film company handling the productions, and for the ISP handling his website. We can only hold him for 48hrs; lets see if we can get an injunction on his business to get us more time… > > _doink-doink_ > > 😃 And this helps Emma and Duke in that…? > [@Shodan](#): > > Offer to loan her the $10K. IF she declines, shoot the dog. Sic the police on this pornster - see if he can be shut down with some kind of health code violation, or prostitution charge, or something. > > BDSM is morally wrong, even when it is consensual. No friend of mine is going to do anything morally wrong to save a dog. > > Regards, > Shodan I’m not persuaded that BDSM is morally wrong, though I do think it’s unhealthy. But what Emma is about to go through isn’t BDSM anyway, because she is not a masochist But I wouldn’t shoot the dog, even when wearing the Evil!Skald helmet. > [@Slash1972](#): > > Be with her when the dog is put down. Go with her to get a new dog. Someone who isn’t me should start a thread on whether immediaely replacing a bleoved pet after it’s death is a good idea. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2016, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-let-your-friend-do-this-degrading-deperate-deed/759691/28 "2016-07-12T14:22:00Z")
> [@Me\_Billy](#): > > Poisoned dogs have a poor prognosis of survival. Not likely to live no matter how much is spent. You’re fighting the hypothetical, which states that the damage is considered treatable. It carries the presumption that such treatment will be effective. > [@](#): > > With that said, she probably would never forgive herself unless she tried to save the dogs life. So help her do as she wishes. Well, what she WISHES is for a way to save Duke. I note that the hypothetical mentions that this takes place in 2004. In 2004, my finances were such that I was riding a bicycle twenty-two miles (round trip) every day to work in a call center, and relying on Section 8 to make rent, so, much as I’d like to make the problem go away using my own resources, it’s not plausible. But WAIT! It’s a _hypothetical_ me! And no constraints have been placed on what the hypothetical me’s financial profile looks like. I can do this. I pay for Duke’s treatment, and dare Emily to pay me back. ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2016, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-let-your-friend-do-this-degrading-deperate-deed/759691/29 "2016-07-12T14:24:02Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > BDSM is morally wrong, even when it is consensual. No friend of mine is going to do anything morally wrong to save a dog. Agreed. Which is why I would immediately tie up Emma with various leather straps, ball gags and handcuffs and whip her until she agrees not to do this. Surprisingly, $10,000 for organ replacements is a lot more expensive than the traditional treatment of “full dog replacement”. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2016, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-let-your-friend-do-this-degrading-deperate-deed/759691/30 "2016-07-12T14:35:40Z")
[, but QUOTE=msmith537;19471327]Agreed. Which is why I would immediately tie up Emma with various leather straps, ball gags and handcuffs and whip her until she agrees not to do this. Surprisingly, $10,000 for organ replacements is a lot more expensive than the traditional treatment of “full dog replacement”. [/QUOTE] But Ema loves DUKE. She might come to love another dog, but the one she loves can’t be replaced. And while I despise dogs, I understand that. Dog lovers often think of their dogs as their children. I love my daughter ad sons as much as I loved the son who died im 1996, but they haven’t replaced him, only succeeded him. ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2016, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-let-your-friend-do-this-degrading-deperate-deed/759691/31 "2016-07-12T14:42:36Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > But Ema loves DUKE. She might come to love another dog, but the one she loves can’t be replaced. I normally don’t put a price on love…and yet here we are. ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2016, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-let-your-friend-do-this-degrading-deperate-deed/759691/32 "2016-07-12T14:47:06Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > And this helps Emma and Duke in that…? In the criminal justice system, the people are represented by two separate yet equally important groups: The police, who investigate crime; and the district attorneys, who prosecute the offenders. [Neither of these are named “Emma” or “Duke”…](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMalvNeJFLk) 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Quercus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/7ab992/32.png) [@Quercus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quercus)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2016, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-let-your-friend-do-this-degrading-deperate-deed/759691/33 "2016-07-12T14:50:30Z")
Well, maybe part of it is whether she’s getting paid to be humiliated, or getting paid to be an actress. Heck, Jim Carrey acts like someone getting humiliated all the time, and smiles all the way to the bank. As far as showing off what God gave you, my only concerns are a) that, sadly, it could affect current and future employment (but with a mask, no so likely), and b) easy money and licentious atmosphere can lead to poor long-term choices, but I’m not so worried in this case either. So why not, if that’s what she wants? ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2016, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-let-your-friend-do-this-degrading-deperate-deed/759691/34 "2016-07-12T14:53:51Z")
> [@Count\_Blucher](#): > > In the criminal justice system, the people are represented by two separate yet equally important groups: > The police, who investigate crime; and the district attorneys, who prosecute the offenders. > [Neither of these are named “Emma” or “Duke”…](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMalvNeJFLk) > > 😃 Silence, elf-filth! ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2016, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-let-your-friend-do-this-degrading-deperate-deed/759691/35 "2016-07-12T14:57:17Z")
So, Skald, what degrading and desperate act are you contemplating that brings you to this dark place? Hopefully we’ve talked you out of it at as we have with all your other dastardly Rhymer schemes (except that one to make Trump the GOP candidate because of some spat between a superhero and a deity). ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2016, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-let-your-friend-do-this-degrading-deperate-deed/759691/36 "2016-07-12T14:59:49Z")
> [@Quercus](#): > > Well, maybe part of it is whether she’s getting paid to be humiliated, or getting paid to be an actress. Heck, Jim Carrey acts like someone getting humiliated all the time, and smiles all the way to the bank. > > As far as showing off what God gave you, my only concerns are a) that, sadly, it could affect current and future employment (but with a mask, no so likely), and b) easy money and licentious atmosphere can lead to poor long-term choices, but I’m not so worried in this case either. > > So why not, if that’s what she wants? She’s getting paid to take a beating while naked. Two, actually, and that’s if she does it unmasked and says her real name on camera. Masked and anonymous will reducd the rate, but probably not the intensity of the beating. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2016, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-let-your-friend-do-this-degrading-deperate-deed/759691/37 "2016-07-12T15:03:57Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > I may argue against the Puritanical remark another time, but what the Skeevy Fellow is suggesting is not a roll in the hay. He wants to abuse and humiliate someone who specifically is not into that, paying a premium for a lack of anonymity. It seems more than likely that Emma will be traumatized by this experience to a greater degree than she is willing to admit to herself. I know you are trying to paint this as somehow worse than a “roll in the hay” but it is REALLY not. This does not compare at all to doing real porn. The anonymity specially makes it no worse than any other physically demanding job, most of which pay almost nothing compared to this. I would have no problem helping her with this and if they accepted dudes i would sign right the fuck on myself. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2016, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-let-your-friend-do-this-degrading-deperate-deed/759691/38 "2016-07-12T15:15:45Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > I know you are trying to paint this as somehow worse than a “roll in the hay” but it is REALLY not. This does not compare at all to doing real porn. The anonymity specially makes it no worse than any other physically demanding job, most of which pay almost nothing compared to this. I would have no problem helping her with this and if they accepted dudes i would sign right the fuck on myself. Do you not see how fucked up this situation is. Suppose you were in the same position, same fucked up life, same dog at death’s door, with the ability to observe that situation rationally wouldn’t you want someone to try to change your mind? And for everyone else who thinks this is no different than doing porn to make money, what do you think is going to happen afterwards when Duke dies anyway? Is this girl in this state going to say “Oh well, gave it a shot, too bad it didn’t work?”. Assuming Emma ever recovers from the help you provided, and one day she asks you why you didn’t stop her what are you going to say? \ ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2016, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-let-your-friend-do-this-degrading-deperate-deed/759691/39 "2016-07-12T15:29:53Z")
Her situation is totally fucked up, the job itself is fucking great. Of course it is very different than doing porn, a plain vanilla sex scene would be so much worse. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2016, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-let-your-friend-do-this-degrading-deperate-deed/759691/40 "2016-07-12T15:38:51Z")
To be clear: this is a perfectly normal “bondage modelling” job like any other, trying to paint it as somehow degrading is basically bullshit. A thousand per video with a mask, two thousand without one is something like 10-20 times the actual going rate. This job couldn’t exist because it’s TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE, and now that i think more about it my first reaction would be “this is a scam, nobody would pay you that much”. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-let-your-friend-do-this-degrading-deperate-deed/759691.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-let-your-friend-do-this-degrading-deperate-deed/759691.md?page=3)