# Would you like to help with a Dungeons and Dragons plot?! **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 7, 2006, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-like-to-help-with-a-dungeons-and-dragons-plot/347320 "2006-03-07T00:28:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2006, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-like-to-help-with-a-dungeons-and-dragons-plot/347320/21 "2006-03-09T02:23:02Z")
> [@garygnu](#): > > Even with a Talk-with-the-Dead spell, you could go with a Roshomon-type idea where the dead guy _and_ the walls (etc.) have conflicting stories. This is most intriguing. I will think how the walls and the victim could perceive different things… P.S. I had to look up Roshomon :eek: : 'The interior narrative is of a trial wherein participants in a murder tell events as they saw them. The events they tell of involve a bandit tying up a samurai, having sex with his wife, and the samurai’s death by his own sword. The telling of these events varies from person to person, each of whom takes credit for the samurai’s death (including him). ’ ---
**Author:** ![MackoUr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eada6e/32.png) [@MackoUr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MackoUr)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2006, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-like-to-help-with-a-dungeons-and-dragons-plot/347320/22 "2006-03-09T04:49:21Z")
Here’s what I did to some players in similar circumstances: The victim was complicit in his own murder, his colleagues having promised to resurrect him. The players cast ‘Speak with Dead’, the victim framed somebody the bad guys wanted dead, and the players took the bait (and no, I never really let them know the truth). I can’t remember first edition speak with dead (and those books are out in my garage) but I don’t recall the dead were obligated to be truthful. ---
**Author:** ![Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc8723/32.png) [@Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fish)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2006, 6:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-like-to-help-with-a-dungeons-and-dragons-plot/347320/23 "2006-03-09T06:00:59Z")
> [@glee](#): > > You know it’s pretty difficult to prove anything about yourself on a message board. > But I can happily testify that poster Fish is a long-term DM with a fine grasp of the game. 🆒 Heh. Yep. Been running D&D campaigns (and other RPGs) for quite a while. One of the top ten rules has got to be “think of the fastest, easiest ways to shortcut the game you planned and prepare a good reason why the players can’t use those methods.” 😃 Unfortunately, also in the top ten somewhere is, “And the players will always think of a way that you missed.” 😉 ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2006, 7:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-like-to-help-with-a-dungeons-and-dragons-plot/347320/24 "2006-03-09T07:28:07Z")
> [@glee](#): > > This is most intriguing. > > I will think how the walls and the victim could perceive different things… > > P.S. I had to look up Roshomon :eek: : Glad to be of service. ---
**Author:** ![Ranchoth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ranchoth/32/1066_2.png) [@Ranchoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ranchoth)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2006, 12:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-like-to-help-with-a-dungeons-and-dragons-plot/347320/25 "2006-03-09T12:21:44Z")
I don’t suppose there’s any way you could get the _walls_ to lie, too—like secretly replacing some of the stones with a cleverly disguised stone golem during routine repair, or something? (I don’t know if that’d work under your rules, though—maybe Golems are too dumb, or won’t lie, or they’re too easily detectable, or they’re like a stealth bomber in terms of relative medieval cost.) ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2006, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-like-to-help-with-a-dungeons-and-dragons-plot/347320/26 "2006-03-09T16:34:40Z")
Have someone disguised as the keeped kill him. Stones don’t know any better and they’re probably not bright, so they will just say “He killed himself.”" ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2006, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-like-to-help-with-a-dungeons-and-dragons-plot/347320/27 "2006-03-09T16:38:18Z")
> [@Love Rhombus](#): > > Have someone disguised as the keeped kill him. Stones don’t know any better and they’re probably not bright, so they will just say “He killed himself.”" Keeper :smack: [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-like-to-help-with-a-dungeons-and-dragons-plot/347320.md?page=1)