# Would you prefer Trump to one of history's worst presidents? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [August 7, 2023, 7:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-prefer-trump-to-one-of-historys-worst-presidents/988176 "2023-08-07T07:44:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Tatterdemalion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/43a26b/32.png) [@Tatterdemalion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tatterdemalion)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2024, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-prefer-trump-to-one-of-historys-worst-presidents/988176/81 "2024-02-20T00:33:22Z")
A bucket of what spit was a euphemism for. Or Eric Trump. ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2024, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-prefer-trump-to-one-of-historys-worst-presidents/988176/82 "2024-02-20T02:31:02Z")
That is the thing. I know a lot of people, including myself, have been wondering what happens when the hamberders and covfefe finally make him keel over dead. What does the post-Trump GOP look like? But you know Trump Jr and Eric Trump are going to start to run. Ivanka, I’m not so sure. She’s the smartest of the bunch, no genius, but she knows it is far easier to just live a billionaire life of luxury. She doesn’t strike me as power hungry. Trump will probably be a new dynasty like the Kennedys. Hopefully very a short lived one. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2024, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-prefer-trump-to-one-of-historys-worst-presidents/988176/83 "2024-02-20T02:40:29Z")
Those Trump sons can run but they sure won’t get far. They just haven’t got the cachet or instinct of dad. ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2024, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-prefer-trump-to-one-of-historys-worst-presidents/988176/84 "2024-02-20T02:42:43Z")
Yeah but they have the name. Jr is pretty good at saying a lot of the same things his dad does. I’m not saying necessarily president, but I expect a senate run of Jr at some point. I’m going to spin this off to another thread. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2024, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-prefer-trump-to-one-of-historys-worst-presidents/988176/85 "2024-02-20T03:49:03Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > Sure, a lot of the other awful Presidents were racist, violent, stupid, corrupt, and all that. But as bad as they were, they didn’t break the system. . . Trump promised to interfere with America’s central bank. Jackson closed it, and it stayed closed for eighty years, during which the U.S. experienced a series of depressions and related widespread deep poverty. In terms of achieving positive goals, Trump was the worst president to date. However, Jackson was worst in terms of achieving negative goals. While I deny that Trump is an idiot, he fortunately lacks Jackson’s determination and competence. ---
**Author:** ![sciurophobic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cab0a1/32.png) [@sciurophobic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sciurophobic)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2024, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-prefer-trump-to-one-of-historys-worst-presidents/988176/86 "2024-02-20T04:43:05Z")
> [@FlikTheBlue](#): > > Jackson would have both tried and succeeded on 1/6/2021. He didn’t try in 1824 when, unlike Trump, he had an actual arguable claim the Presidency was stolen from him. ---
**Author:** ![solost](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/solost/32/11776_2.png) [@solost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/solost)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2024, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-prefer-trump-to-one-of-historys-worst-presidents/988176/87 "2024-02-20T13:46:01Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > Those Trump sons can run but they sure won’t get far. They just haven’t got the cachet or instinct of dad. > [@BeepKillBeep](#): > > Yeah but they have the name. Jr is pretty good at saying a lot of the same things his dad does. I don’t know if you can call it cachet or instrinct, I mean I don’t get it AT ALL, but trump caught some kind of strange lightning in a bottle. Look at all the pretenders who are just as odious as trump, and say all the same awful things, but just can’t get any traction with the MAGAts. Like DeSantis. There seems to be one, and only one, mango Mussolini (and thank God for that). ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2024, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-prefer-trump-to-one-of-historys-worst-presidents/988176/88 "2024-02-20T13:48:16Z")
Of course, if either of his sons had an iota of his ability with crowds, he’d quash it as soon as possible. There can be only one! ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2024, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-prefer-trump-to-one-of-historys-worst-presidents/988176/89 "2024-02-20T14:01:03Z")
The King is dead. Long live the new King! ---
**Author:** ![Cardigan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardigan/32/187_2.png) [@Cardigan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cardigan)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2024, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-prefer-trump-to-one-of-historys-worst-presidents/988176/90 "2024-02-20T14:15:27Z")
I’ve not heard anything particularly bad about Harrison. The most remarkable thing about his term in office was its brevity. So I chose him. ---
**Author:** ![griffin1977](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/977dab/32.png) [@griffin1977](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/griffin1977)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2024, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-prefer-trump-to-one-of-historys-worst-presidents/988176/91 "2024-02-20T15:48:29Z")
> [@FlikTheBlue](#): > > . But Jackson was, IMHO, a smarter and more capable version of Trump. Jackson would have both tried and succeeded on 1/6/2021. None of the others would have even tried. Or to put it another way. Trump was a worse president than Jackson. And that’s a good thing, as he was just as comically inept at trying to seize power as was at being president. ---
**Author:** ![psychonaut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/psychonaut/32/4655_2.png) [@psychonaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psychonaut)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2024, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-prefer-trump-to-one-of-historys-worst-presidents/988176/92 "2024-02-20T15:49:13Z")
> [@Jasmine](#): > > I checked the first name on the list because, quite frankly, any of them would be light years better than a liar, a criminal, and a traitor. How about the possibility of swapping Trump with an _actual_ traitor, then? If there was a choice only between Trump and, say, Jefferson Davis, which would the people here rather have? ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2024, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-prefer-trump-to-one-of-historys-worst-presidents/988176/93 "2024-02-20T15:52:35Z")
> [@psychonaut](#): > > If there was a choice only between Trump and, say, Jefferson Davis, which would the people here rather have? Ah, now there’s a real difficult choice. On the one hand, we have a person who thinks a lot of people are less than fully human, who was guilty of treason, and got a lot of people killed by supporting a stupid, short-sighted agenda, and the other is Jefferson Davis. At least Davis knew when he was beat, and stopped fighting. ---
**Author:** ![griffin1977](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/977dab/32.png) [@griffin1977](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/griffin1977)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2024, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-prefer-trump-to-one-of-historys-worst-presidents/988176/94 "2024-02-20T15:55:16Z")
> [@psychonaut](#): > > How about the possibility of swapping Trump with an _actual_ traitor, then? If there was a choice only between Trump and, say, Jefferson Davis, which would the people here rather have? As with Jackson, I’d still choose whoever is not Trump. Sure Trump did not lead a secession in support of slavery that nearly led to the end of United States, and killed 2.5% of the population of America. But thats only because he never got the chance. If that doing that was the easiest way for Trump to get the power and adoration he was craves, he would have done so in a heartbeat. Hell I wouldn’t completely rule out him taking a stab at it in November if things don’t go his way in the general election. And while Davis was not a particular good political leader, either in the confederacy or the pre-war US, he was a god damned genius compared to Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2024, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-prefer-trump-to-one-of-historys-worst-presidents/988176/95 "2024-02-20T16:09:29Z")
> [@Tatterdemalion](#): > > A bucket of what spit was a euphemism for. Or Eric Trump. I agree. I think. ---
**Author:** ![Jasmine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jasmine/32/2964_2.png) [@Jasmine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jasmine)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2024, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-prefer-trump-to-one-of-historys-worst-presidents/988176/96 "2024-02-20T16:10:25Z")
> [@psychonaut](#): > > How about the possibility of swapping Trump with an _actual_ traitor, then? If there was a choice only between Trump and, say, Jefferson Davis, which would the people here rather have? The OP is about swapping Trump for one of history’s worst presidents. Jefferson Davis was not ever President of the United States. He was president of the Confederate States. And, by the way, Trump is an “actual” traitor. Anyone who publicly exhorts his supporter to overthrow the duly and democratically elected government of the United States is a traitor. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2024, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-prefer-trump-to-one-of-historys-worst-presidents/988176/97 "2024-02-20T16:12:59Z")
> [@Jasmine](#): > > And, by the way, Trump is an “actual” traitor. Anyone who publicly exhorts his supporter to overthrow the duly and democratically elected government of the United States is a traitor. Quoting for agreement. Well said. ---
**Author:** ![psychonaut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/psychonaut/32/4655_2.png) [@psychonaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psychonaut)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2024, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-prefer-trump-to-one-of-historys-worst-presidents/988176/98 "2024-02-20T16:40:51Z")
> [@Jasmine](#): > > The OP is about swapping Trump for one of history’s worst presidents. As the OP, I think I can make some claim of understanding this. 🙂 > [@Jasmine](#): > > And, by the way, Trump is an “actual” traitor. I never said he wasn’t. I was using “actual” here to distinguish Davis from the other non-Trump presidents in the OP, who (as you explained in the part of your reply that I quoted) are _not_ traitors. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2024, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-prefer-trump-to-one-of-historys-worst-presidents/988176/99 "2024-02-20T16:44:39Z")
As I pointed out a while ago, **Tyler** was an actual traitor. > [@Would you prefer Trump to one of history's worst presidents?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-prefer-trump-to-one-of-historys-worst-presidents/988176/36): > > Tyler is pretty iffy. He joined the Confederacy. So he out does the Traitor bit. Probably not better than Trump. Harding was terrible and easily controlled by a corrupt inner circle, but still better than Trump at least. Buchanan was the worst President (not worst man to be President) until Trump. But would probably be slightly better. But he wasn’t against slavery. At the same time he had bought and freed slaves. Andrew Johnson fumbled the peace. But better than Trump most likely. He had … ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2024, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-prefer-trump-to-one-of-historys-worst-presidents/988176/100 "2024-02-20T16:49:05Z")
> [@Jasmine](#): > > Anyone who publicly exhorts his supporter to overthrow the duly and democratically elected government of the United States is a traitor. Completely agree. Nit picking how it’s defined about supporting an enemy is BS. Guess who Trump was supporting? The people trying to overthrow the government, with Trump in charge of the idiots and calling them to arms. He was/is supporting an enemy. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-prefer-trump-to-one-of-historys-worst-presidents/988176.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-prefer-trump-to-one-of-historys-worst-presidents/988176.md?page=6)