# Would you vote for Donald Trump for POTUS? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 17, 2015, 6:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-vote-for-donald-trump-for-potus/728054 "2015-08-17T06:08:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2015, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-vote-for-donald-trump-for-potus/728054/341 "2015-08-25T19:16:23Z")
I remember that thread… that was the one in which banned openly-racist poster **New Deal Democrat** tried to come back under a sock name that was apparently his real name ( **JEngelman** ) and was quickly banned again. I take no position on whether **magellan01** is a racist. I still disagree with him on whether certain claims are racist regardless of intent and evidence. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2015, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-vote-for-donald-trump-for-potus/728054/342 "2015-08-25T21:22:52Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > Anyway, back again to dispute anyone who wouldn’t think Magellan is an outright racist. > > I once followed a Pit topic along in which, as it continued, Magellan proved more and more that he was downright, without a doubt, 100 percent, disgustingly, mind blowingly racist. > > I’m sure Magellan, when he replies to this post, will try to spin it to be not as it looks and throw it back on me (much like he did to my earlier post in here), but I think the cites will speak for themselves. > > So anyway, back in [THIS thread,](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=727813) Magellan made some of the most putrid posts I’ve ever seen from a poster. I didn’t say anything at the time, I just observed and stored the stuff in my file banks. > > That thread is quite long, however, so allow me to make it easier for the reader of this post to see specific quotations from him from that thread. > > [Here is where it begins.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17527801&postcount=117) Follow along with me, if you will, as I will try to simplify the posts from “Racist Magellanise” > > In that post, the last paragraph is: > > Let me tell you what you’re about to see. As these posts go on, Magellan is going to try to make the point that (as simply as I can put it) “TO POINT OUT THAT BLACK PEOPLES’ BRAINS ARE FACTUALLY SMALLER THAN WHITES AND THAT BLACK PEOPLE ARE FACTUALLY MORE STUPID THAN WHITES, that it’s–instead–“FACT” and “SCIENCE” to have these beliefs and point them out…and NOT RACIST at all”. > > Of course, he won’t put it like that straightforwardly, but anyone with half a brain will see that’s what he’s meaning. > > So we continue… > > [Next](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17527854&postcount=122) > > From Magellanise: “So you’re saying it would be okay to study how smart blacks and whites are, but if the study shows that whites are smarter than blacks, it would be racist to say it?” > > [Next](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17527871&postcount=123) > > From Magellanise: “As long as science shows that whites are factually smarter than blacks, it’s not racist of me to say so.” > > [Next](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17527897&postcount=126) > > From Magellanise: “Is it also racist to say that Asians have slantier eyes than whites? No? Well then it wouldn’t be racist to say whites are smarter than blacks if a study showed it!” > > [Oops, forgot this gem](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17527801&postcount=117) > > From Magellanise: > “I’m not racist…no, definitely NOT racist… I don’t know if one race is smarter than the other or not. How would I know? I’m not a scientist… not some RACIST scientist, because we all know I’m not racist. Heaven’s no. Not a racist bone in my body. > I’m just saying that IF… KEYWORD IF…IF SOMEONE (not me, because I’m not racist) DID want to run a study to see if blacks were smarter than whites (based on their own theories that they probably WERE or MIGHT BE) that would definitely not be racist, much like I am not. Oh, and did I make sure to mention I’m not racist even though I’m proposing someone should TEST THESE DAMN BLACKS ALREADY to see if they’re less smart than us??” > > I could go on, but you get the point. Let’s fast forward a bit. Magellan keeps going on in that topic about it until we come to the best gem of them all, what I’d call the climax of the whole convo and showing of his true nature. > > [It starts with this one](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17528067&postcount=149) > > From Magellanise: “So let’s say a study like that WAS carried out and it WAS found that blacks are more stupid than whites, would it be racist to say those results?.. JUST REMEMBER THAT I’M NOT SAYING SUCH A THING IS POSSIBLE, BECAUSE I’M NOT RACIST. I’m just…yanno…throwing that hypothetical out there…a durr hurr.” > > Yeah. Uh huh. > Magellan,…who the hell do you think you are fooling? You are unbelievably, surely, totally, completely, extremely, absolutely, undeniably _ **racist** _. And no matter how you try to word it or spin it or manipulate it or explain it, it’s clear to anyone reading those posts that you OBVIOUSLY THINK that if a study was done to measure white and black intelligence, that it would be proven that whites are factually smarter. > THAT IS A RACIST thing to think and believe and say…and don’t even bother trying to deny that’s what you meant because I’m not even going to be replying to you again after I make this post. You can have the last, winning, possibly racist word if you want. I’ll let you have it. > > Asshat. Ah, well done my little marionette. I was truly hoping you would take the time to focus your douchebaggery in a wasted effort. The world is better for you being preoccupied for an hour or so. But do notice how you felt the need to take the comments I made _concerning_ race—rac_ial comments, which are necessary to have the discussion you stupid fuck—and put them in your Idle Brain Super Dumbfuck Translator in order to have it come out racist._ If I was the racist you say, based on the only thing you know of me, my posts, don’t you think they’d speak for themselves? So, lesson for the day that you should be able to digest by now, but given your Idle—fuck, SEIZED Brain: racial DOES NOT EQUAL racist. Thanks for taking all that time and delivering the glorious FAIL that you have. I’m laughed my ass off! Dance, boy, dance. Then go bop Judy on the head. Hahahahahaha. Now!!! HA! ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2015, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-vote-for-donald-trump-for-potus/728054/343 "2015-08-25T21:26:47Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > You found my “a mod”? Thank you, I was looking all over for it. Devestating. Maybe look up your ass. I know your head is up there, but that no doubt still leaves a lot of room. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2015, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-vote-for-donald-trump-for-potus/728054/344 "2015-08-25T21:28:38Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I remember that thread… that was the one in which banned openly-racist poster **New Deal Democrat** tried to come back under a sock name that was apparently his real name ( **JEngelman** ) and was quickly banned again. > > I take no position on whether **magellan01** is a racist. I still disagree with him on whether certain claims are racist regardless of intent and evidence. Oh, really. I guess I’m mistaken in remembering when you said that you did not think I was a racist. Interesting. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2015, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-vote-for-donald-trump-for-potus/728054/345 "2015-08-25T21:38:59Z")
Well, I hadn’t previously noted magellan’s racism, but based on Idle Thought’s summary, I can see a reasonable basis for such. That is to say, a reasonable basis for believing that magellan is racist. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2015, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-vote-for-donald-trump-for-potus/728054/346 "2015-08-25T21:41:56Z")
Magellan, you’re stupid and horribly misinformed about pretty much everything, but that’s typical for members of the far right. Your problem is you’re also an asshole. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2015, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-vote-for-donald-trump-for-potus/728054/347 "2015-08-25T21:47:10Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Oh, really. I guess I’m mistaken in remembering when you said that you did not think I was a racist. > > Interesting. I’ve never said that you’re a racist. I generally take no position on whether any poster, including myself, is a racist, unless they admit it openly (like **New Deal Democrat/JEngelman** ). I’m unable to read minds, so I only can judge posts and not thoughts. I’m happy to call various posts and assertions racists, though, but this is different than calling a poster racist. As for myself, I strive to not be racist, but I don’t believe any human being can truly know for sure whether they have any racist beliefs or thoughts. I don’t think I’ve ever called any of your posts “racist”, by the way. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2015, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-vote-for-donald-trump-for-potus/728054/348 "2015-08-27T01:24:52Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > You found my “a mod”? Thank you, I was looking all over for it. Now all you need is to get a round tuit. ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2015, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-vote-for-donald-trump-for-potus/728054/349 "2015-08-27T01:55:59Z")
Vote for Trump? No Trump is the sort of candidate who appeals to uninformed morons because he projects power, wealth and authority and offends the sort of people morons don’t care about offending. ---
**Author:** ![Truman\_Burbank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@Truman\_Burbank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truman_Burbank)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2015, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-vote-for-donald-trump-for-potus/728054/350 "2015-08-27T02:26:24Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Devestating. > > Maybe look up your ass. I know your head is up there, but that no doubt still leaves a lot of room. Oooh, a truly devestating response! Your an genius! ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2015, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-vote-for-donald-trump-for-potus/728054/351 "2015-08-27T03:01:57Z")
It’s too bad this wasn’t a public poll. Has anyone besides **Starving Artist** and myself announced they’d vote for Donald? I see **Magellan01** has most posts in the thread; did he ever answer OP’s question? ---
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2015, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-vote-for-donald-trump-for-potus/728054/352 "2015-08-27T03:06:19Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Magellan, you’re stupid and horribly misinformed about pretty much everything, but that’s typical for members of the far right. Your problem is you’re also an asshole. But he may be misinformed about himself actually being a racist! ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2015, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-vote-for-donald-trump-for-potus/728054/353 "2015-08-27T03:26:28Z")
> [@Plumpudding](#): > > But he may be misinformed about himself actually being a racist! Perhaps we should keep reminding him, then. ---
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2015, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-vote-for-donald-trump-for-potus/728054/354 "2015-08-27T03:45:37Z")
Is this what woosh means? I was being sarcastic. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2015, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-vote-for-donald-trump-for-potus/728054/355 "2015-08-27T05:33:48Z")
It took you all this long to realize that magellan “ain’t quite right upstairs?” Hell, I figured it out when was calling for the GI Joe team to be airdropped into Benghazi with parachuting motorcycles. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2015, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-vote-for-donald-trump-for-potus/728054/356 "2015-08-27T05:58:02Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > It took you all this long to realize that magellan “ain’t quite right upstairs?” > > Hell, I figured it out when was calling for the GI Joe team to be airdropped into Benghazi with parachuting motorcycles. I think that was **magiver**. He is also the lousy one at statistics and math, magellan is the one that is lousy on figuring out who is a good source of information and thinks that branding himself as a racialist or a “race realist” makes it OK, it doesn’t. > **[Racialism](https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Racialism)** > > Racialism is the far-right pseudoscientific idea that humanity can be easily divided into well-defined biological categories ("races") that are both broad (each category should include many humans, such as entire continents' populations) and... ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2015, 5:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-vote-for-donald-trump-for-potus/728054/357 "2015-08-27T05:59:35Z")
You’re right. It WAS magiver. My apologies to the racist for thinking you were just stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Bimmer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/db5fbb/32.png) [@Bimmer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bimmer)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2015, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-vote-for-donald-trump-for-potus/728054/358 "2015-08-27T12:49:41Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Since when do undocumented immigrants qualify for welfare and food stamps? Also, what percentage of undocumented immigrants are collecting welfare and food stamps, would you say? Would most of those be the same as the rapists Mr. Trump has been telling us about? " According to CIS, 71 percent of illegal-alien headed households with children received some sort of welfare in 2009, compared with 39 percent of native-headed houses with children. Illegal immigrants generally access welfare programs through their U.S.-born children, to whom government assistance is guaranteed. " Read more at: [http://www.nationalreview.com/article/422921/birthright-citizenship-economic-costs-incentives](http://www.nationalreview.com/article/422921/birthright-citizenship-economic-costs-incentives) ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2015, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-vote-for-donald-trump-for-potus/728054/359 "2015-08-27T13:23:06Z")
CIS? The Center for Immigration Studies? Right Wing Watch has [a selection of articles](http://www.rightwingwatch.org/category/organizations/center-for-immigration-studies). Read them & vomit. [More information](https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2015/fudging-facts-look-cis-studies) from the SPLC. Focusing on their non-facts… Why, yes. These might be considered “partisan” sources. I prefer sanity to nativist creeps. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2015, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-vote-for-donald-trump-for-potus/728054/360 "2015-08-27T13:26:39Z")
> [@Bimmer](#): > > " According to CIS, 71 percent of illegal-alien headed households with children received some sort of welfare in 2009, compared with 39 percent of native-headed houses with children. Illegal immigrants generally access welfare programs through their U.S.-born children, to whom government assistance is guaranteed. " > > Read more at: [http://www.nationalreview.com/article/422921/birthright-citizenship-economic-costs-incentives](http://www.nationalreview.com/article/422921/birthright-citizenship-economic-costs-incentives) If you read this closely, you’ll see why that’s misleading at best. Their children – US citizens – are the ones receiving the benefite. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-vote-for-donald-trump-for-potus/728054.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-vote-for-donald-trump-for-potus/728054.md?page=19)