# Would you vote for Donald Trump for POTUS? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 17, 2015, 6:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-vote-for-donald-trump-for-potus/728054 "2015-08-17T06:08:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 21
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2019, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-vote-for-donald-trump-for-potus/728054/401 "2019-01-02T14:34:57Z")
Forget it **Asahi** , it won’t work. When W. Bush was re-elected, I posted something similar: that ultimately seeing another term of W would be an eye opening experience and ultimately good for the nation. It didn’t work. The fact is, Red State America has no rock bottom. When you are dealing with a population that thinks that bringing back coal, a 19th century technology, to meet the demands of the 21st century, finding their rock bottom is just a means of mutually assured destruction. The history of America has been the enlightened segment trying to drag the reactionary segment kicking and screaming into the future. As long as they are an anchor around our necks, we’ll always be a century behind our potential. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2019, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-vote-for-donald-trump-for-potus/728054/402 "2019-01-02T14:56:32Z")
_Some_ voters have no rock bottom. Those voters who don’t, we’ll never reach. But we don’t need to reach everyone to win elections, and some of the folks who voted for Trump can change their minds. Like the OP of this thread. So let’s not alienate them. ---
**Author:** ![Ulfreida](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ulfreida/32/8014_2.png) [@Ulfreida](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ulfreida)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2019, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-vote-for-donald-trump-for-potus/728054/403 "2019-01-02T15:09:32Z")
Born in CA, lived there 60 years. White. Did I see ANY of the things the OP saw. No. I saw a lot of poor immigrants, most of them peasants, doing all the work whites won’t or can’t do. The ones I hired to do landscaping type work for me worked harder and faster than any white person I ever saw. If the highly skilled latino agricultural workers were deported or exiled (many are citizens), the enormous agricultural industry in CA would die right then and there. Since this is the pit, OP, I will frankly tell you that your opinions are hateful racist shit. And lies. ---
**Author:** ![jshore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b5e925/32.png) [@jshore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jshore)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2019, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-vote-for-donald-trump-for-potus/728054/404 "2019-01-02T15:17:24Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > Why do you think they voted for Obama? When that didn’t work out for them, why did they vote for Trump? Are there really very many people who voted for Obama in 2008 (or 2012) and Trump in 2016? I know there are a few, but I doubt there are very many. I would imagine that most of the shift in votes can be accounted for by shifts in who voted rather than who a particular person voted for. However, I’ll admit that I don’t think I have seen any direct data on this. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2019, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-vote-for-donald-trump-for-potus/728054/405 "2019-01-02T19:18:05Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > _Some_ voters have no rock bottom. Those voters who don’t, we’ll never reach. But we don’t need to reach everyone to win elections, and some of the folks who voted for Trump can change their minds. Like the OP of this thread. So let’s not alienate them. Well, I’ve reached the conclusion that the damage is irreparable, and that we will never be countrymen again, so I don’t care if I alienate them. Sarah Palin talked about how rural and small town America was the real America. Not some fringe commenter on the internet, but the fucking GOP’s VP candidate talked about who was and wasn’t real America. After decades of Gingrich and Fox News talking about how much they hate liberals, and calling us traitors for saying that the invasion of Iraq would destabilize the Middle East and then changing the name of French fries for some goddamned reason, I realized that I hate them back. It’s the 21st century and we can’t get fucking whites in Georgia and North Carolina to agree that black people should be able to vote. Fuck them. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2019, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-vote-for-donald-trump-for-potus/728054/406 "2019-01-02T20:11:11Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > They will – until they feel **pain**. “There cannot be peace without first a great suffering. There greater the suffering, the greater the peace.” - _Villain from Mission Impossible_ ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2019, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-vote-for-donald-trump-for-potus/728054/407 "2019-01-02T21:23:36Z")
Hey, it worked in _Watchmen_. Or maybe we got thermonuclear war. I’m a little iffy on the ending. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2019, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-vote-for-donald-trump-for-potus/728054/408 "2019-01-03T01:10:24Z")
> [@jshore](#): > > Are there really very many people who voted for Obama in 2008 (or 2012) and Trump in 2016? I know there are a few, but I doubt there are very many. Over 9% of all Obama voters, [apparently:](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obama-Trump_voters) > [@](#): > > A study by the Democracy Fund Voter Study Group found that 9.2% of Obama voters voted for Trump in 2016. According to the American National Election Study, 13% of Trump voters had voted for Obama in 2012. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2019, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-vote-for-donald-trump-for-potus/728054/409 "2019-01-03T03:09:07Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > They will – until they feel **pain**. > > Pain can be a beautiful thing sometimes, the most effective teacher a person will ever have in his or her life. > > Those soybean farmers who have rotting product and now downward spiral pricing, unable to meet lending requirements…that’s pain. And it’s beautiful, because it means that these individuals are one step closer to enlightenment. One step closer to anger and rage. One step closer to demanding something better than what they have. Naw, they’ll just blame the Democrats for it all. If those goddamned liberal politicians had just cooperated with their magnificent wonderful brilliant president instead of obstructing him at every turn, everything would have been great! Trump cannot fail; he can only be failed. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2019, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-vote-for-donald-trump-for-potus/728054/410 "2019-01-03T03:18:11Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > They don’t care about pain; they just care about hurting others. They’d gladly all die painfully as long as everyone who isn’t a carbon copy of them died \*more \*painfully. And preferably before them, so they have a chance to gloat about it. > > The ultimate goal of the typical Republican is to be the last fanatic left alive on a world of corpses. Or as blogger Davis X Machina put it (no cite; it’s been pquoted widely by now and I can’t trace it back to its first appearance): > [@](#): > > “The salient fact of American politics is that there are fifty to seventy million voters each of who will volunteer to live, with his family, in a cardboard box under an overpass, and cook sparrows on an old curtain rod, if someone would only guarantee that the black, gay, Hispanic, liberal, whatever, in the next box over doesn’t even have a curtain rod, or a sparrow to put on it.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-vote-for-donald-trump-for-potus/728054.md?page=20)