# Would you vote for Donald Trump for POTUS? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 17, 2015, 6:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-vote-for-donald-trump-for-potus/728054 "2015-08-17T06:08:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-vote-for-donald-trump-for-potus/728054/161 "2015-08-19T00:14:07Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > I’ll thank you to not tell me what I meant, you fucking troll. Hahahahaha. Not even you believe that. :eek: Try again. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-vote-for-donald-trump-for-potus/728054/162 "2015-08-19T03:32:04Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Hahahahaha. Not even you believe that. > > :eek: > > Try again. You do realize that people just \*tolerate \*you, right? ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-vote-for-donald-trump-for-potus/728054/163 "2015-08-19T04:23:25Z")
At best. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-vote-for-donald-trump-for-potus/728054/164 "2015-08-19T04:25:09Z")
Isn’t he the navigator who circumnavigated Uranus? ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-vote-for-donald-trump-for-potus/728054/165 "2015-08-19T05:31:21Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Well, since this is the pit a special mention should go to poster **Chen019** (that just came to support Trump here and elsewhere) who is [one of the current resident scientific racists of the SDMB](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=644631)([brazil84](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=705945) is also one of them) Oh, that reminds me, whatever happened to **Chuck11**? He was the most relentlessly one-note of all the numerically-themed racists. Always wondered whose sock he was (smart money says **Chen019** , a [C-name][number] naming scheme seems about the level of encryption ol’ **Chen** would consider completely unbreakable) ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-vote-for-donald-trump-for-potus/728054/166 "2015-08-19T06:24:31Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > You might try reading the 14 Amendment. [Apparently Harry Reid thought that the 14th was not an impediment to ending birthright citizenship for illegal aliens’ babies](http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d103:S1351:) SEC. 1001. BASIS OF CITIZENSHIP CLARIFIED. In the exercise of its powers under section 5 of the Fourteenth Article of Amendment to the Constitution of the United States, the Congress has determined and hereby declares that any person born after the date of enactment of this title to a mother who is neither a citizen of the United States nor admitted to the United States as a lawful permanent resident, and which person is a national or citizen of another country of which either of his or her natural parents is a national or citizen, or is entitled upon application to become a national or citizen of such country, shall be considered as born subject to the jurisdiction of that foreign country and not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States within the meaning of section 1 of such Article and shall therefore not be a citizen of the United States or of any State solely by reason of physical presence within the United States at the moment of birth. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 7:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-vote-for-donald-trump-for-potus/728054/167 "2015-08-19T07:22:10Z")
Ah yes, Trump did make notice of that, of course Terr just ignores that that is as useful as pointing at the Democrats that used to support things like that but they have changed their ways. > **[Reid bashes Republicans for a position on immigration that he once pushed](https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2010/aug/25/harry-reid/reid-bashes-republicans-position-immigration-he-on/)** > > Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., has been critical of Republican efforts to revisit the question of birthright > [@](#): > > However, Reid has openly acknowledged his changed position on at least two occasions. In a House floor speech on August 5, 2006, he admitted that the “low point” of his legislative career came when he introduced the “travesty that [he] called legislation” in 1993. The Las Vegas Review-Journal also reported on December 13, 1999, that Reid said that the legislation is “way up high” on his “list of mistakes” and that it was “short-sighted.” He added, “I didn’t understand the issue. I’m embarrassed that I made such a proposal.” > > To sum up. Nobody – not even Reid himself – is denying that Reid switched his position on “clarifying” the 14th amendment. He wrote a bill in 1993 that would have denied birthright citizenship to children of illegal aliens. Six years later, he called that bill a mistake. Granted, he apparently regrets introducing the bill, but we wanted to know whether Reid has changed his position. We found that he did, so we rate this a Full Flop. This point is as stupid as the attempts seen by several Republicans to convince many conservatives that they should ignore history and continue with the charade that the party of Lincoln did not adopt the racists that the Democrats did shun or shamed to change their ways if they wanted to remain Democrats. Hispanics and other minorities are not fooled by stupid talking points coming from Trump at all. Trump did lie or was stupid when he claimed that Hispanics would be persuaded by him. [QUOTE=A Jimenez] THE PENDEJO WITH INITIATIVE Has a mania for big projects; sometimes they are eloquent and manage to persuade many people. Beware, if you are convinced, it is that you are more PENDEJO than they are. [/QUOTE] ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 9:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-vote-for-donald-trump-for-potus/728054/168 "2015-08-19T09:54:53Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Oh, that reminds me, whatever happened to **Chuck11**? I’m not sure. Last time I saw him he was headed upstairs to his bedroom… ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-vote-for-donald-trump-for-potus/728054/169 "2015-08-19T12:43:14Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > [Apparently Harry Reid thought that the 14th was not an impediment to ending birthright citizenship for illegal aliens’ babies](http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d103:S1351:) > > SEC. 1001. BASIS OF CITIZENSHIP CLARIFIED. > > In the exercise of its powers under section 5 of the Fourteenth Article of Amendment to the Constitution of the United States, the Congress has determined and hereby declares that any person born after the date of enactment of this title to a mother who is neither a citizen of the United States nor admitted to the United States as a lawful permanent resident, and which person is a national or citizen of another country of which either of his or her natural parents is a national or citizen, or is entitled upon application to become a national or citizen of such country, shall be considered as born subject to the jurisdiction of that foreign country and not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States within the meaning of section 1 of such Article and shall therefore not be a citizen of the United States or of any State solely by reason of physical presence within the United States at the moment of birth. Sorry that the little nugget that you worked to find turned out to be fool’s gold. Reid changed his mind in 6 years and called it a mistake. And southern Democrats used to be the white racists. Things change over time. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-vote-for-donald-trump-for-potus/728054/170 "2015-08-19T13:04:48Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > [Apparently Harry Reid thought that the 14th was not an impediment to ending birthright citizenship for illegal aliens’ babies](http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d103:S1351:) I know Democrats are usually right, but they’re not always right. You can safely ignore Reid’s position in 1993. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-vote-for-donald-trump-for-potus/728054/171 "2015-08-19T13:40:27Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > [Apparently Harry Reid thought that the 14th was not an impediment to ending birthright citizenship for illegal aliens’ babies](http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d103:S1351:) > > SEC. 1001. BASIS OF CITIZENSHIP CLARIFIED. > > In the exercise of its powers under section 5 of the Fourteenth Article of Amendment to the Constitution of the United States, the Congress has determined and hereby declares that any person born after the date of enactment of this title to a mother who is neither a citizen of the United States nor admitted to the United States as a lawful permanent resident, and which person is a national or citizen of another country of which either of his or her natural parents is a national or citizen, or is entitled upon application to become a national or citizen of such country, shall be considered as born subject to the jurisdiction of that foreign country and not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States within the meaning of section 1 of such Article and shall therefore not be a citizen of the United States or of any State solely by reason of physical presence within the United States at the moment of birth. It’s worth noting that Terr offers this information without the context that was posted below. His intent is to win by misleading people. Which isn’t my idea of integrity. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-vote-for-donald-trump-for-potus/728054/172 "2015-08-19T13:53:54Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > It’s worth noting that Terr offers this information without the context that was posted below. > > His intent is to win by misleading people. Which isn’t my idea of **integrity**. I don’t think word is going to come up much when discussing Trump with _anybody_, much less **Terr**. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-vote-for-donald-trump-for-potus/728054/173 "2015-08-19T13:54:52Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Sorry that the little nugget that you worked to find turned out to be fool’s gold. Reid changed his mind in 6 years and called it a mistake. No, Harry Reid didn’t “change his mind” until 2006. So for 13 years he held that opinion. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-vote-for-donald-trump-for-potus/728054/174 "2015-08-19T14:01:17Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > No, Harry Reid didn’t “change his mind” until 2006. So for 13 years he held that opinion. Read the article again. Also, you’re a mewling twat. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-vote-for-donald-trump-for-potus/728054/175 "2015-08-19T14:10:31Z")
Of course he “changed his opinion”. But in 1993 he did hold that opinion - strongly enough that he introduced and sponsored legislation based on it. So it is not such an outlandish notion, is it? ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-vote-for-donald-trump-for-potus/728054/176 "2015-08-19T14:14:10Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > No, Harry Reid didn’t “change his mind” until 2006. So for 13 years he held that opinion. From the article: > [@](#): > > The Las Vegas Review-Journal also reported on December 13, **1999** , that Reid said that the legislation is “way up high” on his “list of mistakes” and that it was “short-sighted.” He added, “I didn’t understand the issue. I’m embarrassed that I made such a proposal.” When I went to school, 1999-1993=6 years. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-vote-for-donald-trump-for-potus/728054/177 "2015-08-19T15:09:44Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Of course he “changed his opinion”. But in 1993 he did hold that opinion - strongly enough that he introduced and sponsored legislation based on it. So it is not such an outlandish notion, is it? This is really beyond being a pendejo talking point. I also know that Republicans 10 years or less ago listened to the scientists and supported legislation to control emissions that contaminate our air and warm the planet. > **[Gingrich On Climate Change - FactCheck.org](https://www.factcheck.org/2011/12/gingrich-on-climate-change/)** > > Newt Gingrich went too far when he claimed that “I’ve never favored cap-and-trade.” It’s true he’s never favored the approach taken by Democrats, but he said in 2007 that he would “strongly support” cap-and-trade if combined with “a tax-incentive... Only to do an 180 and join the “I’m not a scientist” (That bit actually means “I’m willfully ignoring the scientists”) brigade. No one in their right mind would look at what they are saying now and conclude that we should vote for them because **in the past** they were reasonable in this case, \*\*it is always crucial to check what they are saying and doing today \*\* regardless of the issue. [http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/06/16/3670229/president-trump-climate/](http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/06/16/3670229/president-trump-climate/) > [@](#): > > Trump joins a Republican presidential field already well-populated by politicians skeptical of climate action. Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) compared his climate denial to the intellectual bravery of Galileo. Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) risks alienating a key voting bloc that overwhelmingly supports acting on climate change. Former Sen. Rick Santorum (R-PA) said he was more qualified to talk about climate change than the pope is. Former Gov. Mike Huckabee (R-AR) compared global warming to “sunburn.” Neurosurgeon Ben Carson has said “we may be cooling.” Sen. Rand Paul has said he’s “not sure anybody exactly knows why” climate change is happening. Former Gov. Rick Perry (R-TX) doesn’t seem certain which climate denier trope he will settle on. Former Gov. Jeb Bush has said people who accept mainstream climate science are “arrogant.” > > Trump may actually fit right in. ---
**Author:** ![Deeg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deeg/32/2955_2.png) [@Deeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deeg)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-vote-for-donald-trump-for-potus/728054/178 "2015-08-19T15:42:22Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Of course he “changed his opinion”. But in 1993 he did hold that opinion - strongly enough that he introduced and sponsored legislation based on it. So it is not such an outlandish notion, is it? You need to accept defeat on this one and graciously move on. There have been plenty of dumb-ass bills that have been proposed over the years and they are proof of nothing except that politicians can occasionally submit dumb-ass bills. Even Reid admits it was a huge mistake. That he may have held that opinion for more than a few years only shows that he was being a dumb-ass for a few years. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-vote-for-donald-trump-for-potus/728054/179 "2015-08-19T16:12:41Z")
_When somebody challenges you, fight back. Be brutal, be tough._ Donald Trump See **Terr** , you don’t have to be right. Just tough. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-vote-for-donald-trump-for-potus/728054/180 "2015-08-19T17:05:22Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > You do realize that people just \*tolerate \*you, right? As opposed to what, exactly? I tolerate _you_, and a bunch of other of your ilk on these boards. After all, isn’t toleration supposed to be a good thing. 😃 Glad to see that you realize that you’re accusation of trolling was a lie and that you’ve moved on, Liar. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-vote-for-donald-trump-for-potus/728054.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-vote-for-donald-trump-for-potus/728054.md?page=10)