# Would you want to send your kid to a "Public School Social Justice Factory"? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [February 1, 2018, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-want-to-send-your-kid-to-a-public-school-social-justice-factory/807982 "2018-02-01T20:54:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2018, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-want-to-send-your-kid-to-a-public-school-social-justice-factory/807982/61 "2018-02-02T22:46:38Z")
> [@rat\_avatar](#): > > That commentator’s rhetoric shows that they are afraid their world view can’t survive in daylight, and that only hiding the errors of past generations will protect their world view. > > Are the ideals of the founding fathers especially their imperfectly implemented dreams of equality so tenuous that they can only be maintained by hiding the mistakes of our past? Is that entire world view on such shaky ground that we have to protect students from other ideas that look to better apply those core concepts? > > Those who ignore history are bound to repeat it, and we can move forward with the great experiment or we can continue to tolerate tyranny. But, what if there comes a day when there is no “tyranny” to fight about? Right now frankly, their are better equal rights than ever before. Nobody is being made to sit in the back of a bus or use a seperate water fountain. But to listen to these people talk its still on. Also this is how many people make their money. > [@rat\_avatar](#): > > Is it just that I and other feel more comfortable about fighting for justice and liberty? Outside of needing to compete on a more level basis, what risk is there in truly targeting for social justice and equality? Because your WASTING their time. Ok, tell me. Lets say your applying for a computer job at Microsoft. Will they ask you questions about Rosa Parks or Malcolm X? Will wearing a pink hat and marching with a goofy sign help you get a job at … well just about anywhere??? > [@rat\_avatar](#): > > Can you make a case for hiding historical fact or other points of view to me? I am not baiting here but I seriously want to understand why this is such a concern for some people. The only reason I can see is that people are embarrassed about bad things that happened in the past. It may be just differing world views, but I am far more bothered by the possibility that we continue these injustices in the future. Who is hiding anything? Its a part of history. Yes, we can learn, then we can move on. Focusing on “social justice” issues is basically some angry person saying “your ancestors did so and so to my ancestors so therefore, I should get something in return”. It also creates a massive culture of division among the students. Look at how colleges now ask that their be “persons of color” only areas. ---
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2018, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-want-to-send-your-kid-to-a-public-school-social-justice-factory/807982/62 "2018-02-02T22:48:51Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > Since they don’t exist, I won’t answer such an absurd hypothetical. Why not? I asked how a person could pass or fail such training? Would I pass if I burned my MAGA hat? Would I pass if I signed up to vote democrat? ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2018, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-want-to-send-your-kid-to-a-public-school-social-justice-factory/807982/63 "2018-02-02T22:49:34Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > Right now frankly, their are better equal rights than ever before. Nobody is being made to sit in the back of a bus or use a seperate water fountain. But to listen to these people talk its still on. Because it is still on. We’re not done. We’re not close. We won’t stop until ALL Americans are treated equally under the Law. The rest of your post is angry bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2018, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-want-to-send-your-kid-to-a-public-school-social-justice-factory/807982/64 "2018-02-02T22:51:47Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > Focusing on “social justice” issues is basically some angry person saying “your ancestors did so and so to my ancestors so therefore, I should get something in return”. It also creates a massive culture of division among the students. Look at how colleges now ask that their be “persons of color” only areas. This is the right-wing radio fantasy-version of what “social justice” means, but it’s not reality. Don’t just take their word for it, any more than you should take the word of folks who hate Christianity about what Christianity really means. There are tons of pro-social-justice folks here… why not ask us what it really means? ---
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2018, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-want-to-send-your-kid-to-a-public-school-social-justice-factory/807982/65 "2018-02-02T22:53:28Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > How horrible to be asked to look at the literature you teach through different eyes. :rolleyes: Imagine getting some leftist crap and telling the teacher you thought it was so? Do you REALLY think all public school teachers can be open minded enough to allow discussion about topics they feel strongly about? I mean you got a lefty teacher who brags about her pink hats and has rainbow flags all over her room… and who is KNOWN for targeting conservative students, do you think such a kid will feel free to speak up? ---
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2018, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-want-to-send-your-kid-to-a-public-school-social-justice-factory/807982/66 "2018-02-02T22:55:13Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > This is the right-wing radio fantasy-version of what “social justice” means, but it’s not reality. Don’t just take their word for it, any more than you should take the word of folks who hate Christianity about what Christianity really means. There are tons of pro-social-justice folks here… why not ask us what it really means? Then tell me. What would help a student get a job more? Being a part of a “social justice” club or being a part of say a computer or engineering club? ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2018, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-want-to-send-your-kid-to-a-public-school-social-justice-factory/807982/67 "2018-02-02T22:55:32Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > Focusing on “social justice” issues is basically some angry person saying “your ancestors did so and so to my ancestors so therefore, I should get something in return”. It also creates a massive culture of division among the students. Look at how colleges now ask that their be “persons of color” only areas. That’s so far off the mark I can’t even respond. BTW, we had areas for back students and LGBT students way back in the 70s. No harm was done ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2018, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-want-to-send-your-kid-to-a-public-school-social-justice-factory/807982/68 "2018-02-02T22:56:48Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > But, what if there comes a day when there is no “tyranny” to fight about? That would be great! It hasn’t happened yet, despite the fact that white urban rednecks don’t feel all that oppressed right now (and never did). > [@Urbanredneck](#): > > Right now frankly, their are better equal rights than ever before. Nobody is being made to sit in the back of a bus or use a seperate water fountain. But to listen to these people talk its still on. Are. You. Serious. That’s like saying “Well, I stopped punching him in the face, so why isn’t he thanking me for not punching him in the face? Now if you’ll excuse me I need to get back to punching him in the nuts.” ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2018, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-want-to-send-your-kid-to-a-public-school-social-justice-factory/807982/69 "2018-02-02T22:57:11Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > Then tell me. What would help a student get a job more? Being a part of a “social justice” club or being a part of say a computer or engineering club? Those aren’t in conflict at all, any more than being on the football team, or AV club, or Spanish club, or a bible study group, or any other school organization. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2018, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-want-to-send-your-kid-to-a-public-school-social-justice-factory/807982/70 "2018-02-02T22:58:22Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > Imagine getting some leftist crap and telling the teacher you thought it was so? > > Do you REALLY think all public school teachers can be open minded enough to allow discussion about topics they feel strongly about? I mean you got a lefty teacher who brags about her pink hats and has rainbow flags all over her room… and who is KNOWN for targeting conservative students, do you think such a kid will feel free to speak up? “This is leftist crap” isn’t the response of a CHILD who is there to learn reason and knowledge. Or that of an adult on a message board. And switch it around. Do you think liberal minded students are free to speak up in classrooms where the teacher throws her conservative christianity in their faces and constantly tells them they’re evil? ---
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2018, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-want-to-send-your-kid-to-a-public-school-social-justice-factory/807982/71 "2018-02-02T22:59:26Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > Imagine getting some leftist crap and telling the teacher you thought it was so? > > Do you REALLY think all public school teachers can be open minded enough to allow discussion about topics they feel strongly about? I mean you got a lefty teacher who brags about her pink hats and has rainbow flags all over her room… and who is KNOWN for targeting conservative students, do you think such a kid will feel free to speak up? Imagine getting some rightist crap and telling the teacher you thought it was so? Do you REALLY think all public school teachers can be open minded enough to allow discussion about topics they feel strongly about? I mean you got a rightwing teacher who brags about her MAGA hats and has Christian flags all over her room… and who is KNOWN for targeting liberal students, so you think such a kid will feel free to speak up? ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2018, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-want-to-send-your-kid-to-a-public-school-social-justice-factory/807982/72 "2018-02-02T23:03:06Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > Then tell me. What would help a student get a job more? Being a part of a “social justice” club or being a part of say a computer or engineering club? :dubious: Depends on the job? But I will say, in my workplace you can get your ass fired by being racist or sexist. Because we’re a computer company - we don’t have to put up with politically incorrect bullshit. My buddy is currently doing hiring for a computer company (specifically one that does automated testing). He’s willing to hire you if you’re completely untrained - he can work with that. If he gets the idea that you’re an asshole, though, forget it. That’s the thing about these sorts of jobs - you have to work with other people. And enough of those other people nowadays aren’t assholes that it’s no longer ‘cool’ to be casually racist or sexist around the water cooler anymore. Times be a-chanin’ - and they’ll have changed even more by the time kids nowadays enter the workforce. ---
**Author:** ![rat\_avatar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rat_avatar/32/255_2.png) [@rat\_avatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rat_avatar)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2018, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-want-to-send-your-kid-to-a-public-school-social-justice-factory/807982/73 "2018-02-02T23:03:56Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > Then tell me. What would help a student get a job more? Being a part of a “social justice” club or being a part of say a computer or engineering club? Why not both, and as most of the upper jobs require a lot of social interaction they are both needed in those fields. Plus why should non-male/non-white/non-Christians have harder path? All of these boogieman rhetoric words from the cites are about equality. How can you justify active attempts to help avoid issues such as in this article? > **[Why do women leave engineering?](https://news.mit.edu/2016/why-do-women-leave-engineering-0615)** > > Researchers have uncovered one reason why women leave engineering: The negative, often stereotypical group dynamics women experience during team-based work projects makes the profession less appealing. ---
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2018, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-want-to-send-your-kid-to-a-public-school-social-justice-factory/807982/74 "2018-02-02T23:04:21Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > Then tell me. What would help a student get a job more? Being a part of a “social justice” club or being a part of say a computer or engineering club? Depends on the nature of the job. A “social justice” club speaks volumes about someone’s willingness to work with people of diverse backgrounds and desire for open communication between all groups. For many jobs this is more important than technical skills. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2018, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-want-to-send-your-kid-to-a-public-school-social-justice-factory/807982/75 "2018-02-02T23:12:00Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > Ok, tell me. Lets say your applying for a computer job at Microsoft. Will they ask you questions about Rosa Parks or Malcolm X? So the only reason kids should take any class in school is so they can get a particular job? Just toss out English, geography, history, art? Jesus fucking Christ. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2018, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-want-to-send-your-kid-to-a-public-school-social-justice-factory/807982/76 "2018-02-02T23:20:25Z")
The purpose of ‘school’ and a basic education is to fill you with the basic cultural, linguistic, math, science and other information that you need to live a useful life in society. The most awesome part of basic education is being exposed to everything. Ideas, tools, philosophies, activities, everything. So that you can find out what you like and what you want to do in life. And that only gets better the more you are exposed to, even when, or sometimes especially when that makes you uncomfortable and challenges what you’ve learned in your home. Of course, that makes it really easy to see why some people want to home school their children or limit their access to ideas, because doing so lets them control and mold their children’s lives into being a miniature model of their own lives, their own ideas, their own hates and shortcomings. So what if Little Stevie is whip smart and would make a great attorney or a great scientist if only he was exposed to those ideas. Better to stop him from being made aware of his potential greatness if that means he’d question his parent’s ideology, right? ---
**Author:** ![Penfeather](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penfeather/32/384_2.png) [@Penfeather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Penfeather)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2018, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-want-to-send-your-kid-to-a-public-school-social-justice-factory/807982/77 "2018-02-02T23:27:09Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > While working in a Social Justice Factory may seem like a good job at the moment, I question the long-term stability of the position. A few years from now, the Social Justices may all be made by robots. Pfft. I make my own Social Justice at home, better and cheaper. ---
**Author:** ![JackieLikesVariety](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackielikesvariety/32/296_2.png) [@JackieLikesVariety](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JackieLikesVariety)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2018, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-want-to-send-your-kid-to-a-public-school-social-justice-factory/807982/78 "2018-02-02T23:45:20Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > Yes. American right wing media is filled to the brim with patently false tales designed with one intent - make their audience angry. Because angry is addictive, and that addiction keeps them coming back for more. +1 ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2018, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-want-to-send-your-kid-to-a-public-school-social-justice-factory/807982/79 "2018-02-03T01:16:20Z")
> [@Penfeather](#): > > Pfft. I make my own Social Justice at home, better and cheaper. Listen, hipster, not everyone can afford your artisanal free range organic locally sourced social justice, okay? Give the working class a goddamned break! ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2018, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-want-to-send-your-kid-to-a-public-school-social-justice-factory/807982/80 "2018-02-03T01:52:09Z")
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