# Wouldn't the government itself rebel against a second Trump presidency? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [April 6, 2024, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wouldnt-the-government-itself-rebel-against-a-second-trump-presidency/999947 "2024-04-06T17:59:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2024, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wouldnt-the-government-itself-rebel-against-a-second-trump-presidency/999947/61 "2024-04-06T23:02:50Z")
Basically agree with your take. The thing is, if Trump _suddenly_ did something extreme, such as order the troops to occupy a rebellious California, I think the chance of resistance by military commanders is high. To put it another way, it should not be assumed that the military will go along with what Trump commands simply because he is president. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2024, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wouldnt-the-government-itself-rebel-against-a-second-trump-presidency/999947/62 "2024-04-06T23:06:05Z")
> [@Dissonance](#): > > Which doesn’t change the fact that it was neither peaceful nor nonviolent. It was only “violent” because the government attacked the protesters, right? Your logic is specious. I’m sure some people acting under the direction of MLK defended themselves against attacks at some point, but by your logic MLK and his movement were violent. > [@](#): > > It also directly touched off the [2014 war in Donbas](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Ukrainian_War). Which has led to the current ongoing ‘special military operation.’ That makes it sounds like the Ukrainians’ fault. Putin made his own decisions. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2024, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wouldnt-the-government-itself-rebel-against-a-second-trump-presidency/999947/63 "2024-04-07T00:02:32Z")
> [@Aeschines](#): > > They are _supposed_ to follow his orders, but they are also not supposed to follow illegal orders. They are, for the most part, not lawyers. Not obeying orders because they _think_ an order _might_ not be legal isn’t very likely to happen. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2024, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wouldnt-the-government-itself-rebel-against-a-second-trump-presidency/999947/64 "2024-04-07T00:05:07Z")
> [@Aeschines](#): > > we need a new constitution at this point–or one that is significantly amended. I see no way to get one right now without seriously risking getting one that’s much worse. > [@Moriarty](#): > > at least one former congressman has moved overseas, and is encouraging others similarly situated to have their own contingency plans, in the event donald is re-elected. Shouldn’t he be screaming from the rooftops about this in public? Sneaking out those of one’s friends who can afford it strikes me as far less than any public figure ought to be doing. > [@Dissonance](#): > > > [@Aeschines](#): > > > > > [@Dissonance](#): > > > > > > The Maidan Revolution was neither peaceful nor nonviolent. 121 people died. > > > > The protests were intended to be peaceful. It was not an armed insurrection against the government. > > Which doesn’t change the fact that it was neither peaceful nor nonviolent. It also directly touched off the [2014 war in Donbas]. Which has led to the current ongoing ‘special military operation.’ Revolutions very often wind up someplace their originators had no intention of going. The USA got very lucky in the 1700’s; and a lot of people did die in that one. Sometimes you’ve really got to have one anyway. But it’s not likely to be easy, it’s not likely to be bloodless, and it’s probably not going to wind up where you thought you were going. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2024, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wouldnt-the-government-itself-rebel-against-a-second-trump-presidency/999947/65 "2024-04-07T00:46:22Z")
> [@Aeschines](#): > > Not electing Trump will kick the can down the road a bit, but we need a new constitution at this point–or one that is significantly amended. And the reason for this is that undemocratic institutions are baked into the constitution and give the fascists an unfair advantage (electoral college, senate, etc.). Since it is almost impossible to amend the constitution The by-state representation in the Electoral Collage and the Senate isn’t necessarily undemocratic except in the most trivial sense of pure majorities don’t always win. I don’t see that fascism requires or is favored by it unless you claim that the over-represented states are somehow inclined to be fascist. Populist fascists who rode a wave of support into office sometimes did so by absolute majorities, or more often a core base and the support/acquiescence of middles voting a “better than the alternative” coalition. I don’t see “pure” democracy as preventing that. As far as amending the Constitution: being the Federal government’s charter document, originally it was naïvely thought that the Federal government would have no power not explicitly granted it (snort!); and so it was deliberately made hard to amend to make it hard to formally grant the federal government more power. Since that’s now the deadest of dead horses we might as well start by passing an amendment making further amendments easier. > [@](#): > > The Supreme Court is also now corrupt and off the rails. That’s a stimulus toward change that won’t be going away anytime soon. “Corrupt” is a pretty strong word and properly does not include practicing judicial philosophies that you bitterly disagree with and which undermined the progressive agendas enacted under previous expansionist doctrines. I would reserve the term strictly for quid pro quo bribery or prejudice as to outcome. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2024, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wouldnt-the-government-itself-rebel-against-a-second-trump-presidency/999947/66 "2024-04-07T00:47:33Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > They are, for the most part, not lawyers. Not obeying orders because they _think_ an order _might_ not be legal isn’t very likely to happen. I think the leaders would think for themselves. The grunts, probably not. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2024, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wouldnt-the-government-itself-rebel-against-a-second-trump-presidency/999947/67 "2024-04-07T00:50:50Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > In a certain sense, yes, I’d expect the governmental bureaucracy to provide resistance against Trump, given that civil servants and bureaucrats generally lean Blue. To have a handle here, I’d need to know what Trump ordered the bureaucrats to do. Autocrat wannabes tend to focus on the media. So, Trump might easily order arrest of New York Times reporters and editors. Will Justice Department civil servants, and federal judges, go along with arresting people without the normal process that it making Trump’s prosecutions take impossibly long? I think no. Could Trump have his toady AG fire federal prosecutors? I guess. Judges? Harder. We may see it, but I would be cautiously optimistic there. Another drama will concern Trump ordering the arrest of Biden and family. I think that, even if Trump is generally unsuccessful at consolidating power, that’s an area where he might have some success. But I don’t think unfairly locking up a few opposition politicians would put us much farther on the road to dictatorship. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2024, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wouldnt-the-government-itself-rebel-against-a-second-trump-presidency/999947/68 "2024-04-07T00:53:41Z")
> [@thorny\_locust](#): > > I see no way to get one right now without seriously risking getting one that’s much worse. When the stimulus is there for change, then yes, there are problems so it is hard to change while working through those problems. But if the stimulus for change is not there, then nothing will happen. I.e., we have a government structure that has a lot of problems right now, but trying to change right now would indeed be risky. > [@](#): > > Sometimes you’ve really got to have one anyway. But it’s not likely to be easy, it’s not likely to be bloodless, and it’s probably not going to wind up where you thought you were going. Agreed. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2024, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wouldnt-the-government-itself-rebel-against-a-second-trump-presidency/999947/69 "2024-04-07T00:55:57Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > They are, for the most part, not lawyers. Not obeying orders because they _think_ an order _might_ not be legal isn’t very likely to happen. That’s true enough, but they can certainly question the order and state any objections they have in writing. That’s small comfort to someone who has just been killed, of course. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2024, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wouldnt-the-government-itself-rebel-against-a-second-trump-presidency/999947/70 "2024-04-07T01:03:10Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > Again, how did that work out form 2017-2021? Kinda well, actually. Trump had “adults in the room” around him who prevented him from doing more dumb shit than he did, and Democrats certainly pressed back against him. And Trump was not really trying to be dictator or anything until January 6. > [@Aeschines](#): > > He won’t stand trial if he’s President before the trial happens. He’ll pardon himself and that will be the end of it. First, there are state charges for which he cannot pardon himself. Second, there is no agreement as to whether the president can pardon himself. That would end up going to the Supreme Court. His best bet is to resign and have his VP become president and pardon him (this is more shit for which we need a constitutional amendment…). ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2024, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wouldnt-the-government-itself-rebel-against-a-second-trump-presidency/999947/71 "2024-04-07T01:40:57Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > If he gains the office a second time, we’re cooked for the foreseeable future. There’s nothing wrong with having a speculative thread. But 2nd term Trump would be the ultimate loose cannon leader. During DJT’s waking hours, the foreseeable future would be about 30 minutes. We could luck out. Judges may stand up to him, and he then starts feeling old and frail, letting some semi-normal veep or Secretary of State step up and act within fairly normal parameters. Or we could have WWIII. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2024, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wouldnt-the-government-itself-rebel-against-a-second-trump-presidency/999947/72 "2024-04-07T01:54:55Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > The by-state representation in the Electoral Collage and the Senate isn’t necessarily undemocratic except in the most trivial sense of pure majorities don’t always win. It’s not a trivial thing, though. Two of our worst presidents in US history, GWB and Trump would never have won without the electoral college. Gore won the popular vote by over 500,000 votes ([cite](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_United_States_presidential_election#National_results)), and Trump lost the popular vote in 2016 by _millions_ of votes. Further, I have heard no one claim that Trump can win the popular vote this year, yet we fear that he could win in the EC. That’s undemocratic and a load of shit to boot. > [@](#): > > I don’t see that fascism requires or is favored by it unless you claim that the over-represented states are somehow inclined to be fascist. They are! The vast majority of overrepresented states are red. > [@](#): > > Populist fascists who rode a wave of support into office sometimes did so by absolute majorities, or more often a core base and the support/acquiescence of middles voting a “better than the alternative” coalition. I don’t see “pure” democracy as preventing that. Mussolini marched on Rome. Hitler became chancellor (and immediately dictator) without a majority in the Reichstag (Paul Hindenburg agreed to appoint Hitler as head of a coalition government of Nazis and conservative party members). It’s true that some bad dudes have been popularly elected (Orban, perhaps?), I suppose, but at least in such cases they have the active backing of the people. > [@](#): > > As far as amending the Constitution: being the Federal government’s charter document, originally it was naïvely thought that the Federal government would have no power not explicitly granted it (snort!); and so it was deliberately made hard to amend to make it hard to formally grant the federal government more power. Since that’s now the deadest of dead horses we might as well start by passing an amendment making further amendments easier. Which the red states will of course oppose. > [@](#): > > “Corrupt” is a pretty strong word and properly does not include practicing judicial philosophies that you bitterly disagree with and which undermined the progressive agendas enacted under previous expansionist doctrines. I would reserve the term strictly for quid pro quo bribery or prejudice as to outcome. I’m sure you’ve heard of Thomas and his many, many, and BIG gifts from rich people: > **[Opinion: Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas' corruption is intolerable....](https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2023-08-10/supreme-court-justice-clarence-thomas-corruption-gifts-propublica-ethics-congress)** > > A new ProPublica report reveals the jurist's pattern of secretly accepting luxury private jet and yacht travel from a cadre of conservative billionaire donors. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2024, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wouldnt-the-government-itself-rebel-against-a-second-trump-presidency/999947/73 "2024-04-07T01:55:33Z")
I agree with what you say. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2024, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wouldnt-the-government-itself-rebel-against-a-second-trump-presidency/999947/74 "2024-04-07T02:09:54Z")
> [@Aeschines](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > I don’t see that fascism requires or is favored by it unless you claim that the over-represented states are somehow inclined to be fascist. > > They are! The vast majority of overrepresented states are red. That’s what happens to be the case currently. But suppose a popular minority but an electoral majority was _opposed_ to Trump. How would you feel about the arrangement then? > [@](#): > > I’m sure you’ve heard of Thomas and his many, many, and BIG gifts from rich people: Yes; now tell me, which Supreme Court ruling was swung by Thomas that favored any of the parties he accepted perks from? ---
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2024, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wouldnt-the-government-itself-rebel-against-a-second-trump-presidency/999947/75 "2024-04-07T02:14:50Z")
> [@Aeschines](#): > > > [@Dissonance](#): > > > > Which doesn’t change the fact that it was neither peaceful nor nonviolent. > > It was only “violent” because the government attacked the protesters, right? As @thorny_locust notes, the US Revolution would have been bloodless if only the British hadn’t fought back. Again, 121 people died directly in the Maidan Revolution, thousands more in the 2014 Donbas War, and hundreds of thousands so far in the War in Ukraine. You are factually incorrect in calling it peaceful and nonviolent. > [@Aeschines](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > It also directly touched off the [2014 war in Donbas](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Ukrainian_War). Which has led to the current ongoing ‘special military operation.’ > > That makes it sounds like the Ukrainians’ fault. Putin made his own decisions. It only ‘sounds’ that way if you’re pitching a frankly offensive strawman at me. [Revolution of Dignity - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution_of_Dignity) > The **Revolution of Dignity** ([Ukrainian](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_language): Революція гідності, [romanized](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanization_of_Ukrainian): _Revoliutsiia hidnosti_), also known as the **Maidan Revolution** or the **Ukrainian Revolution** ,[[2]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution_of_Dignity#cite_note-18010123Ukraineprofile-2) took place in [Ukraine](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine) in February 2014[[2]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution_of_Dignity#cite_note-18010123Ukraineprofile-2)[[1]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution_of_Dignity#cite_note-18088560voxUkraine-1) at the end of the [Euromaidan](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euromaidan) protests,[[1]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution_of_Dignity#cite_note-18088560voxUkraine-1) when deadly clashes between protesters and state forces in the capital [Kyiv](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyiv) culminated in the ousting of elected [President](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_Ukraine) [Viktor Yanukovych](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Yanukovych), the return to the 2004 [Constitution of Ukraine](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Ukraine), and the outbreak of the 2014 [Russo-Ukrainian War](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Ukrainian_War). Or is Wikipedia making it sound like it was the Ukrainians’ fault? ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2024, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wouldnt-the-government-itself-rebel-against-a-second-trump-presidency/999947/76 "2024-04-07T02:19:53Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > That’s what happens to be the case currently. But suppose a popular minority but an electoral majority was _opposed_ to Trump. How would you feel about the arrangement then? I would be glad that Trump wasn’t winning, but yes, in that case it would still be undemocratic. > [@](#): > > Yes; now tell me, which Supreme Court ruling was swung by Thomas that favored any of the parties he accepted perks from? Wait, so we agree that the man has been bribed, but there’s a _further_ condition to determine whether that was bad or not?! ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2024, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wouldnt-the-government-itself-rebel-against-a-second-trump-presidency/999947/77 "2024-04-07T02:25:07Z")
> [@Dissonance](#): > > As @thorny_locust notes, the US Revolution would have been bloodless if only the British hadn’t fought back. That’s an irrelevant point, since the American Revolution _was_ an armed revolution. > [@](#): > > Again, 121 people died directly in the Maidan Revolution, thousands more in the 2014 Donbas War, and hundreds of thousands so far in the War in Ukraine. You are factually incorrect in calling it peaceful and nonviolent. You are making a valid point _only if_ you can demonstrate, which you have not, that the Maidan Revolution was _intended_ to be violent or at some point _became_ violet on the part of the revolutionaries beyond a superficial level. Just showing that people died does not prove that the Maidan Revolution was _itself_ violent. > [@](#): > > It only ‘sounds’ that way if you’re pitching a frankly offensive strawman at me. Defend your own points! Are you saying that the Maidan Revolution participants themselves did something wrong that set off the Donbas conflict? If so, please show that. > [@](#): > > Or is Wikipedia making it sound like it was the Ukrainians’ fault? You haven’t provided enough context or _any_ kind of narrative, actually. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2024, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wouldnt-the-government-itself-rebel-against-a-second-trump-presidency/999947/78 "2024-04-07T02:31:19Z")
> [@Aeschines](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > Yes; now tell me, which Supreme Court ruling was swung by Thomas that favored any of the parties he accepted perks from? > > Wait, so we agree that the man has been bribed, but there’s a _further_ condition to determine whether that was bad or not?! I said that he accepted perks. To be “bribed” means a quid pro quo, that Thomas actually did something in response. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2024, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wouldnt-the-government-itself-rebel-against-a-second-trump-presidency/999947/79 "2024-04-07T02:32:59Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > I said that he accepted perks. To be “bribed” means a quid pro quo, that Thomas actually did something in response. Accepting “perks” is enough for me to think he is corrupt. And yes, he and anyone who accepts “perks” at that level is bribed. They are more inclined thereby to support the interests of the monied class over those of the people. ---
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2024, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wouldnt-the-government-itself-rebel-against-a-second-trump-presidency/999947/80 "2024-04-07T03:03:13Z")
> [@Aeschines](#): > > > [@Dissonance](#): > > > > As @thorny_locust notes, the US Revolution would have been bloodless if only the British hadn’t fought back. > > That’s an irrelevant point, since the American Revolution _was_ an armed revolution. > > > [@](#): > > > > Again, 121 people died directly in the Maidan Revolution, thousands more in the 2014 Donbas War, and hundreds of thousands so far in the War in Ukraine. You are factually incorrect in calling it peaceful and nonviolent. > > You are making a valid point _only if_ you can demonstrate, which you have not, that the Maidan Revolution was _intended_ to be violent or at some point _became_ violet on the part of the revolutionaries beyond a superficial level. Just showing that people died does not prove that the Maidan Revolution was _itself_ violent. And the national referendum of 1955 was _intended_ to peacefully reunify Vietnam. Oddly, people in power with people with guns at their disposal have a habit of making revolutions violent regardless of the “intentions” of the revolutionaries. Which is the entire point of the fact that the US Revolution would have been nonviolent and peaceful if the British hadn’t attempted to stop it. Showing that people died in the Madia Revolution is the very definition of proving that it was violent. > [@Aeschines](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > It only ‘sounds’ that way if you’re pitching a frankly offensive strawman at me. > > Defend your own points! Are you saying that the Maidan Revolution participants themselves did something wrong that set off the Donbas conflict? If so, please show that. And I’m done with your offensive strawmen. Talk to me in the pit if you wish to continue this line of discussion. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wouldnt-the-government-itself-rebel-against-a-second-trump-presidency/999947.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wouldnt-the-government-itself-rebel-against-a-second-trump-presidency/999947.md?page=5)