# wow brazil had confederate settlements just like they did for the nazis ..... **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [May 9, 2016, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-brazil-had-confederate-settlements-just-like-they-did-for-the-nazis/754378 "2016-05-09T04:45:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![nightshadea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/7ba0ec/32.png) [@nightshadea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nightshadea)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-brazil-had-confederate-settlements-just-like-they-did-for-the-nazis/754378/1 "2016-05-09T04:45:37Z")
This is filed under the learn something new every day :[MSN](http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/a-slice-of-the-confederacy-in-the-interior-of-brazil/ar-BBsMhWk?li=BBnbcA1) Apparently in the 1840s to about 1870 there were American southerners that decided to relocate to brazil before during and after since brazil openly embraced the confederacy and have descendants there to this very day just like the Nazis who still have descendants there also Although on a side note this helps a very funny O.henry story make more sense now In it a former civil was soldier goes down and meets a die hard confederate who tells him to go home he doesn’t and gets caught up in in a revolution gets caught by the kings army and is waiting to be hung and the us consulate wont/cant help His confed friend bribes the government to get him off using CSA money supposedly the federales are too dumb to know the moneys worthless and I wondered how anyone could be that dumb … well this explains why the csa money wouldn’t be that big of a deal ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-brazil-had-confederate-settlements-just-like-they-did-for-the-nazis/754378/2 "2016-05-09T05:02:19Z")
Huh. Well they just get all the bright eggs. ---
**Author:** ![jtur88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e9c0ed/32.png) [@jtur88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jtur88)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-brazil-had-confederate-settlements-just-like-they-did-for-the-nazis/754378/3 "2016-05-09T12:46:51Z")
This premise seems to be a kind of a loaded observation, so . . . just wondering: Do you consider it a good thing or a bad thing for a nation to harbor people fleeing from persecution/prosecution in another country? As a general principle, whether or not you personally approve of the reasons why, in any particular case, the refugees were being persecuted. ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-brazil-had-confederate-settlements-just-like-they-did-for-the-nazis/754378/4 "2016-05-09T13:45:53Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > Huh. > > Well they just get all the bright eggs. Is this part of that whole weird “old eggs” meme? ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-brazil-had-confederate-settlements-just-like-they-did-for-the-nazis/754378/5 "2016-05-09T13:49:45Z")
I understand that Brazil has an influx of US immigration after each POTUS election. ---
**Author:** ![UncleRojelio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/unclerojelio/32/3160_2.png) [@UncleRojelio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleRojelio)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-brazil-had-confederate-settlements-just-like-they-did-for-the-nazis/754378/6 "2016-05-09T14:04:28Z")
> [@nightshadea](#): > > This is filed under the learn something new every day :[MSN](http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/a-slice-of-the-confederacy-in-the-interior-of-brazil/ar-BBsMhWk?li=BBnbcA1) > > Apparently in the 1840s to about 1870 there were American southerners that decided to relocate to brazil before during and after since brazil openly embraced the confederacy and have descendants there to this very day just like the Nazis who still have descendants there also > > Although on a side note this helps a very funny O.henry story make more sense now > > In it a former civil was soldier goes down and meets a die hard confederate who tells him to go home he doesn’t and gets caught up in in a revolution gets caught by the kings army and is waiting to be hung and the us consulate wont/cant help > > His confed friend bribes the government to get him off using CSA money supposedly the federales are too dumb to know the moneys worthless > > and I wondered how anyone could be that dumb … well this explains why the csa money wouldn’t be that big of a deal Lack of punctuation; DR ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-brazil-had-confederate-settlements-just-like-they-did-for-the-nazis/754378/7 "2016-05-09T17:13:56Z")
How did they embrace the Confederacy before the Confederacy existed? ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-brazil-had-confederate-settlements-just-like-they-did-for-the-nazis/754378/8 "2016-05-09T19:04:39Z")
> [@Count\_Blucher](#): > > Is this part of that whole weird “old eggs” meme? I don’t know that meme. Egg = Person with potential Bright = Smart I was being sarcastic ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-brazil-had-confederate-settlements-just-like-they-did-for-the-nazis/754378/9 "2016-05-09T19:45:03Z")
> [@UncleRojelio](#): > > Lack of punctuation; DR This isn’t much different than threadshitting. Don’t bother making a post at all if it’s only going to be about how you’re not going to read it (for any reason). ---
**Author:** ![nightshadea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/7ba0ec/32.png) [@nightshadea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nightshadea)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2016, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-brazil-had-confederate-settlements-just-like-they-did-for-the-nazis/754378/10 "2016-05-10T02:43:46Z")
Well I don’t see it as real persecution since the modern equilivent would be someone moving from ca to Colorado because they cant grow pot in ca and its legal in co… and I realize I should of brazil originally embraced the settlers at first because they were proslavery and then supported the confederacy in which more people settled … I just might pass this along to unca cecil see what he thinks and could find heh ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2016, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-brazil-had-confederate-settlements-just-like-they-did-for-the-nazis/754378/11 "2016-05-10T04:49:19Z")
> [@jtur88](#): > > This premise seems to be a kind of a loaded observation, so . . . just wondering: Do you consider it a good thing or a bad thing for a nation to harbor people fleeing from persecution/prosecution in another country? As a general principle, whether or not you personally approve of the reasons why, in any particular case, the refugees were being persecuted. If said “refugee” is a criminal and a white supremacist? That doesn’t sound like persecution to me. Sometimes there’s a damned good reason to persecute someone. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2016, 11:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-brazil-had-confederate-settlements-just-like-they-did-for-the-nazis/754378/12 "2016-05-10T11:38:23Z")
_[Confederado](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederados)_ culture in Brazil is still alive. > [@](#): > > The descendants foster a connection with their history through the Associação Descendência Americana (American Descendants Association), a descendant organization dedicated to preserving their unique mixed culture. The Confederados also have an annual festival, called the Festa Confederada, dedicated to fund the Campo center. The festival is marked by Confederate flags, Confederate uniforms and hoop skirts, food of the American South with a Brazilian flair, and dances and music popular in the American South during the antebellum period. The descendants maintain affection for the Confederate flag even though they identify as completely Brazilian. Many Confederado descendants have traveled to the United States at the invitation of the Sons of Confederate Veterans, an American descendants’ organization, to visit Civil War battlefields, attend re-enactments, or see where their ancestors lived. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2016, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-brazil-had-confederate-settlements-just-like-they-did-for-the-nazis/754378/13 "2016-05-10T14:41:29Z")
“Food of the American South with a Brazilian flair” should be interesting. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2016, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-brazil-had-confederate-settlements-just-like-they-did-for-the-nazis/754378/14 "2016-05-10T14:48:06Z")
I wonder if they have a company of Civil War reenactors wearing Confederado hoop skirts. I want to see that battle! ---
**Author:** ![Lucas\_Jackson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lucas_jackson/32/303_2.png) [@Lucas\_Jackson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lucas_Jackson)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2016, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-brazil-had-confederate-settlements-just-like-they-did-for-the-nazis/754378/15 "2016-05-10T14:53:27Z")
Cut to one hundred years from now: Trumpados. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2016, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-brazil-had-confederate-settlements-just-like-they-did-for-the-nazis/754378/16 "2016-05-10T16:20:13Z")
> [@White SIFL](#): > > Cut to one hundred years from now: Trumpados. No that’s next years SCIFI Channel movie, and it’s Trumpnado. ---
**Author:** ![Doctor\_Jackson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doctor_jackson/32/32_2.png) [@Doctor\_Jackson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doctor_Jackson)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2016, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-brazil-had-confederate-settlements-just-like-they-did-for-the-nazis/754378/17 "2016-05-10T18:33:11Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > “Food of the American South with a Brazilian flair” should be interesting. Peanut butter and plantain sandwiches? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2016, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-brazil-had-confederate-settlements-just-like-they-did-for-the-nazis/754378/18 "2016-05-10T18:53:39Z")
Fried chicken with [tucupi](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazilian_cuisine#Southeast_Brazil.27s_cuisine) gravy. ---
**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2016, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-brazil-had-confederate-settlements-just-like-they-did-for-the-nazis/754378/19 "2016-05-11T03:38:14Z")
> [@jtur88](#): > > This premise seems to be a kind of a loaded observation, so . . . just wondering: Do you consider it a good thing or a bad thing for a nation to harbor people fleeing from persecution/prosecution in another country? As a general principle, whether or not you personally approve of the reasons why, in any particular case, the refugees were being persecuted. Refugee schmefugee, the Brazilian government _invited_ 'm in. The Brazilians wanted to jumpstart cotton cultivation in their country - and slavery was still legal there - so they recruited Southern farmers. Robert E. Lee, the _de facto_ leader of the postbellum South, urged his acquaintances and friends _not_ to leave America for Brazil, saying “Virginia needs her sons.”