# WOW Conservatives Hated Star Wars **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 24, 2019, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-conservatives-hated-star-wars/842258 "2019-10-24T22:18:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2019, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-conservatives-hated-star-wars/842258/41 "2019-10-25T22:08:59Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Two things I never do: lie or exaggerate. All Cretans are liars. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2019, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-conservatives-hated-star-wars/842258/42 "2019-10-25T22:49:38Z")
I’m lying. And you misspelled a word there. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![RioRico](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f04885/32.png) [@RioRico](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RioRico)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2019, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-conservatives-hated-star-wars/842258/43 "2019-10-25T22:52:31Z")
> [@Ukulele\_Ike](#): > > **Ukulele Ike** Is NEVER wrong. In what key do you play 'Ukulele Lady? ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2019, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-conservatives-hated-star-wars/842258/44 "2019-10-25T23:20:35Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > Emphasis mine, > > This is the typical elitist selective memory that clogs these type of discussions. “Oh things were better back in the day! kids these days and their super hero films! In my day we watched good films like The Godfather!” > > It always seems people forget the bad movies. Here are some other movies from the late 60s and early 70s that were in theaters. All “grown up movies for people with grown up brains”, eh? I’ll take Star Wars over any of these: > > Manos: Hands of Fate (1966) > The Wild World of Batwoman (1966) > Santa Claus Conquers the Martians (1964) > The Ghost in the Invisible Bikini (1968) (with Boris karloff AND Basil Rathbone!) > Sgt Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band (1978) > The White Buffalo (1977) > Americanthon (1979) > Airport 77 (1977, of course) > Death Race 2000 (1975) > Mitchell (1975) > Rabbit Test (1978) > the Thing With two heads (1972) > The Towering Inferno (1974) > the Poseidon Adventure (1972) There were some movies from that period which didn’t get done by MST3K. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Strangelove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.strangelove/32/6613_2.png) [@Dr.Strangelove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Strangelove)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2019, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-conservatives-hated-star-wars/842258/45 "2019-10-26T01:43:31Z")
> [@Quercus](#): > > Tell me more about how The Dirty Dozen or You Only Live Twice were so much more for people with brains (and so much less rock-em shock-em) than Star Wars or Black Panther. Personally, I’d like to hear how _The Godfather_ is a more adult movie than _Star Wars_. It has a cartoonish view of the Mafia. An adolescent, over-romantic take on crime in general. The people in the movie only know how to solve problems through violence. And the people are utterly incapable of operating in adult society. Their own warped “family” only holds together through force of personality and not meaningful adult interaction. It’s basically a cartoon about children that found a stash of guns. It’s also well-written, well-acted, and well-directed. But it’s not exactly about adult themes. _The Incredibles_ is a far more adult movie despite being an animated superhero movie. ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2019, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-conservatives-hated-star-wars/842258/46 "2019-10-26T01:47:09Z")
> [@garygnu](#): > > Home video has more to do with the changing box office economics than the blockbuster. People still watch realistic dramas and emotional character studies and romantic comedies, they just don’t go to the theater to do it. Bingo. ---
**Author:** ![jz78817](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jz78817/32/1028_2.png) [@jz78817](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jz78817)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2019, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-conservatives-hated-star-wars/842258/47 "2019-10-26T01:55:09Z")
> [@Ukulele\_Ike](#): > > **Ukulele Ike** Is NEVER wrong. the only claim that is always wrong is “I am never wrong.” ---
**Author:** ![LC\_Strawhouse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e19adc/32.png) [@LC\_Strawhouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LC_Strawhouse)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2019, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-conservatives-hated-star-wars/842258/48 "2019-10-26T02:29:43Z")
> [@Dr.Strangelove](#): > > Personally, I’d like to hear how _The Godfather_ is a more adult movie than _Star Wars_. > > It has a cartoonish view of the Mafia. An adolescent, over-romantic take on crime in general. The people in the movie only know how to solve problems through violence. And the people are utterly incapable of operating in adult society. Their own warped “family” only holds together through force of personality and not meaningful adult interaction. > > It’s basically a cartoon about children that found a stash of guns. It’s also well-written, well-acted, and well-directed. But it’s not exactly about adult themes. _The Incredibles_ is a far more adult movie despite being an animated superhero movie. Speaking for myself, I think The Godfather had almost journalistic value (especially in 1972) in that it exposed a hidden corner of the world to the audience. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2019, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-conservatives-hated-star-wars/842258/49 "2019-10-26T02:40:25Z")
> [@Dr.Strangelove](#): > > Personally, I’d like to hear how _The Godfather_ is a more adult movie than _Star Wars_. > > It has a cartoonish view of the Mafia. An adolescent, over-romantic take on crime in general. The people in the movie only know how to solve problems through violence. And the people are utterly incapable of operating in adult society. Their own warped “family” only holds together through force of personality and not meaningful adult interaction. > > It’s basically a cartoon about children that found a stash of guns. It’s also well-written, well-acted, and well-directed. But it’s not exactly about adult themes. _The Incredibles_ is a far more adult movie despite being an animated superhero movie. _The Godfather_ (and _Godfather II_) are dramas about how a person who originally has high ideals becomes corrupted. Whether or not it is an accurate depiction of the Mafia is as irrelevant as whether _MacBeth_ is an accurate reflection of the 11th Century Scottish monarchy. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2019, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-conservatives-hated-star-wars/842258/50 "2019-10-26T02:52:32Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Simon was wrong, it’s a great movie (well, the first two are) but let me play devil’s apologist, if not advocate, juuuuust a little. > > The world in 1977 and 1980 wasn’t like it is today, and at the time “Star Wars” was not much like other movies. I have said this before and will again; Star Wars is the most important movie ever made, in terms of the size of its impact on the movie industry. … > > The year before Star Wars came out, the top grossing movies in the USA were: Rocky, A Star Is Born, King Kong, Silver Streak, All The President’s Men, The Omen, The Enforcer, Midway, and the Bad News Bears. Only two comedies and one silly movie; I don’t even know if they had superhero movies then. … - Superman, the Movie\*, one of the three best Super films ever, 1978. But yes, Star Wars was groundbreaking. Would it have come out without _2001: A Space Odyssey_ almost ten years earlier? ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2019, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-conservatives-hated-star-wars/842258/51 "2019-10-26T03:26:23Z")
Can we blame Star Wars for the terrible movie that is Moonraker? ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Strangelove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.strangelove/32/6613_2.png) [@Dr.Strangelove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Strangelove)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2019, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-conservatives-hated-star-wars/842258/52 "2019-10-26T03:28:30Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > _The Godfather_ (and _Godfather II_) are dramas about how a person who originally has high ideals becomes corrupted. And _Star Wars_ is a hero’s journey of an immature adolescent on the edges of society growing into someone _with_ high ideals. Any movie that can be remotely called good will have archetypal themes. That doesn’t make them _adult_–it means they are able to tell a story we can understand. _The Godfather_ and _Star Wars_ both succeed on that front marvelously. Adding sex and violence only turns a bad movie into an adolescent movie. And it doesn’t it turn a good movie into an adult movie. Anything worth calling an adult movie requires situations that are relatable to by actual, functioning adults and difficult for children to understand. > [@LC\_Strawhouse](#): > > Speaking for myself, I think The Godfather had almost journalistic value (especially in 1972) in that it exposed a hidden corner of the world to the audience. That’s somewhat fair, but if we’re going to judge movies at a meta level, then almost anything would qualify. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2019, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-conservatives-hated-star-wars/842258/53 "2019-10-26T03:48:05Z")
> [@Dr.Strangelove](#): > > It has a cartoonish view of the Mafia. An adolescent, over-romantic take on crime in general. The people in the movie only know how to solve problems through violence. And the people are utterly incapable of operating in adult society. Their own warped “family” only holds together through force of personality and not meaningful adult interaction. Have you seen The Godfather? Because the opening scene at the wedding includes meaningful adult interaction between Michael and Kay where he describes his relationship with his estranged family. Or how about the scene where Vito tells Michael that he never wanted him to have any part of the family business? Did you miss the end of the movie when Michael lies right to Kay’s face and he closes the door on her utterly shutting her out of the part of his life that involves the family business? The characters in The Godfather have a lot of psychological depth that is lacking in Star Wars. I’d still rather watch Star Wars. I can’t get enough of those Jedi mind tricks. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2019, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-conservatives-hated-star-wars/842258/54 "2019-10-26T03:49:24Z")
> [@Dr.Strangelove](#): > > Any movie that can be remotely called good will have archetypal themes. That doesn’t make them _adult_–it means they are able to tell a story we can understand. _The Godfather_ and _Star Wars_ both succeed on that front marvelously. How do you define adult when it comes to fiction? Because if you’re arguing The Godfather is essentially a cartoon you’re swimming against the stream, my friend. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2019, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-conservatives-hated-star-wars/842258/55 "2019-10-26T04:02:00Z")
> [@Odesio](#): > > How do you define adult when it comes to fiction? Because if you’re arguing The Godfather is essentially a cartoon you’re swimming against the stream, my friend. Yes, contending that _The Godfather_ is a children’s or adolescent’s movie is one of the most absurd statements in this entire thread. ---
**Author:** ![Crossbreed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a4c791/32.png) [@Crossbreed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crossbreed)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2019, 5:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-conservatives-hated-star-wars/842258/56 "2019-10-26T05:50:55Z")
“WOW Conservatives Hated Star Wars” That the leader of “The Republic” was the main, big bad guy probably doesn’t sit well with Republicans… ---
**Author:** ![Asuka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@Asuka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Asuka)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2019, 8:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-conservatives-hated-star-wars/842258/57 "2019-10-26T08:13:36Z")
Remember when they tried to hype how progressive Rogue One was in casting but then it turned out all the characters were basically stereotypes? The Hispanic character lied, cheated and stole. The Asian character knew all the martial arts. The white woman was overly-emotional but was still leader. The black guy died first. I still liked the movie but that never sat well with me. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2019, 11:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-conservatives-hated-star-wars/842258/58 "2019-10-26T11:10:37Z")
> [@asterion](#): > > Can we blame Star Wars for the terrible movie that is Moonraker? I don’t see why not; make your case that it marks a decline from the mature realism and subtle nuance of the one where Roger Moore pastes on a third nipple (_“I admit, it’s a little kinky”_) for his interaction with Chew Mee and Hai Fat shortly before he’s bonked on the head for a Hervé Villechaize kayo of — you! You’re that secret agent! That ENGLISH secret agent! From ENGLAND! _“Ah shore am, boy! Ever heard of Evel Knievel?”_ [/slide whistle] ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2019, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-conservatives-hated-star-wars/842258/59 "2019-10-26T14:15:19Z")
Remember, we’re talking here about people who saw “Mister Smith Goes to Washington” and thought Jimmy Stewart was the villain of the piece. They don’t like movies, they don’t go to movies, who cares what they think about movies. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2019, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-conservatives-hated-star-wars/842258/60 "2019-10-26T16:06:20Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > _The Godfather_ (and _Godfather II_) are dramas about how a person who originally has high ideals becomes corrupted. I’ve never understood this interpretation. Perhaps it’s much clearer in the novels, but movie-Michael has never struck me as idealistic. He may have expressed some reluctance about becoming embroiled in the family business, but when it came time to step up, he did so with casual and brutal efficiency. The often-spoofed bit in the third film (“Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in!”) strikes me as a comical, akin to “Oh, woe is me, I just _have_ to start killing people again!” It’s almost like a serial rapist who laments about how women just keep coming on to him, so what can he do, he’s helpless to resist. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-conservatives-hated-star-wars/842258.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-conservatives-hated-star-wars/842258.md?page=4)