# Wow, Jaquelope. You are all kinds of nuts! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 8, 2011, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-jaquelope-you-are-all-kinds-of-nuts/573941 "2011-03-08T17:31:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![even\_sven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dfb087/32.png) [@even\_sven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/even_sven)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2011, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-jaquelope-you-are-all-kinds-of-nuts/573941/1 "2011-03-08T17:31:47Z")
We are all familiar with **Jaq’s** particular obsession with the idea that India and China are out to get him personally, but who knew that chip on his shoulder spans half of humanity as well? In [this thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=598813&page=6) (see the bottom half of this page) our one and **le Jaqeulope** explains his philosophy of women. Before we start, I’ll warn that he does moderate his tone. You see, he only talks like this because we are all the same. We are all exactly the same. > [@](#): > > And my tone is a little harsh because I know this crowd, and just about every other crowd out there, they’re all essentially the same. Here, he explains how women are just SOOOOOOOO mean because we don’t spend our lives fretting over the pwecious feeewings of guys who have trouble dating. > [@](#): > > Show me an individual woman who has empathy for guys who have had it bad in the dating arena. What would you care about a man if he was socially inept and didn’t use PUA techniques to make his life better? You wouldn’t. Name me a woman who would so much as piss on him if he were on fire. > > Me, I didn’t wait for women to have empathy. You might be saying “Wait, isn’t asserting that ALL women (after all, he’s challenging us to name even one) are so heartless they wouldn’t piss on a shy guy if he were on fire a bit misogynist?” He claims he’s not, so let’s keep following this story: > [@](#): > > Every time men voice their grievances about the dating scene, women attack them and call them losers. You’re simply not interested in hearing their side of things. EVER. And there’s plenty of catty men who’ll jump on them, too. There is zero tolerance for guys voicing their issues. > > When do guys start having a right to speak up? I mean, without being called virgins, losers, women haters, etc.? You hear that? We are NEVER ever interested in providing council to guys who have trouble dating. In every single thread where a man says “I’m having trouble with women” we never EVER say anything but “You’re a virgin (?!) ooooooohhhh! Loser! Why do you hate women?” And men do this, too! Any man who has the slightest dating trouble is instantly shunned by everyone. Women don’t have this problem. A woman who spends her life hiding under a bed, according to **Jaq** , will still have a colorful and exciting romantic life. Shyness is only a problem for guys. Confidence has absolutely no effect on women’s ability to attract a partner. Are you a 40 year old who cries constantly and cuts yourself and whines about how ugly you are? That’s fine, if you’re a woman. Only a problem for men. > [@](#): > > My point is that shyness in men is treated as far worse than shyness in women. No one ever, ever dings a woman for being too scared to approach a guy. Women on the other hand demand confidence in men. And see, it’s super bad for guys, Women have the amazing power to live perfectly happy lives without sexual companionship. We are apparently immune to loneliness. > [@](#): > > This affects men worse than women - women can go their entire lives not having a romantic relationship and shrug it right off. (See: nuns, for an extreme example.) Guys on the other hand get desperate. Which, apparently, makes them easy targets. Jeez, imagine how angry women would get if their emotional vulnerabilities got beat on that badly… It’s almost like we have inhuman powers. Or like we are not human…. > [@](#): > > There is no love or sympathy for men like that. Only survival of the fittest, natural selection, weeding out the competition. This comes from our nature as animals. The scary part here is that as humans, we men have it better than the males of any other species of creature on this planet. Really. Uh. Huh. Anyway, nobody will understand his pain. > [@](#): > > Society wants men who don’t have the romantic appeal power, to know their place and fade away. Yeah, I’m sure that no overweight, older-than-40, unattractive, child-having or otherwise not sexually desirable woman can feel what you are feeling. Non-sexually desirable women are all over everywhere and hold a great place in society, while older, overweight, unattractive or otherwise not-sexy guys are never in the media, politics, or anything public at all. We just want them to fade away. So what can you do about the fact that women don’t realize how much you just really need sex, and how unfair it is that they won’t give you sex even though you are too shy to even introduce yourself, and how really it hurts you so bad and they really ought to do something about it for you because you exist and you need sex and so why won’t they just have sex with you? > [@](#): > > Karmic payback exists here in that these same dudes that get called “socially inept” have managed to show you that they’re anything but. You’re not so much better than they are, after all, if they can win you over with PUA. They’re not there to pump and dump. Karmic payback is you realizing you’re not as superior as you think you are. That apparently is hurtful enough. You take their ego down a notch. Here they thought they were all smart stuff for wanting to have sex with guys they are attracted to. So you become attractive and then they have sex with you…and that’s karmic payback? Uhhhh? Wait, where does the payback come in. Finally, just for laughs, he throws in some random xenophobia. > [@](#): > > Wow, you’re brave. Like a Jewish guy parachuting in the Grand Mosque level brave. Dude, you are well and truly nuts, in a number of ways, and you don’t even know it, do you? ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2011, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-jaquelope-you-are-all-kinds-of-nuts/573941/2 "2011-03-08T17:38:28Z")
Classic Nice Guy syndrome. It’s one thing to be insecure or lack confidence. I do. It’s when you lack confidence and you’re bitter about it and blame others for it that you become a Nice Guy. ---
**Author:** ![even\_sven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dfb087/32.png) [@even\_sven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/even_sven)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2011, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-jaquelope-you-are-all-kinds-of-nuts/573941/3 "2011-03-08T17:58:24Z")
Ahhh, the words of a catty man, beating his brother down for not conforming to the Norm. When will you just acknowledge that his life is SO HARD and it’s NOT FAIR and he DESERVES SEX? ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2011, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-jaquelope-you-are-all-kinds-of-nuts/573941/4 "2011-03-08T17:58:30Z")
He’s not misogynistic! And even if he was, it would all women everywhere’s fault for being such bitches. As far as I can tell, the PUA movement seems to be all about turning socially inept nerds into sociopaths who sometimes get laid. The common thread being that both groups often think of women as some sort of mythical Other – they’re not really people, more like aliens who have magical treasure that you really, really want. It would be sad if they weren’t so proud of themselves. ---
**Author:** ![Rhythmdvl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/85f322/32.png) [@Rhythmdvl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhythmdvl)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2011, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-jaquelope-you-are-all-kinds-of-nuts/573941/5 "2011-03-08T17:58:53Z")
Obvious troll is obvious. Read a bit more of its postings and you’ll see it’s a schtick. ---
**Author:** ![MichaelEmouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/michaelemouse/32/101_2.png) [@MichaelEmouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MichaelEmouse)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2011, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-jaquelope-you-are-all-kinds-of-nuts/573941/6 "2011-03-08T18:02:15Z")
> [@Rhythmdvl](#): > > Obvious troll is obvious. > > Read a bit more of its postings and you’ll see it’s a schtick. What is the shtick? I’ve read a few of his posts but haven’t discerned any shtick. I thought he was genuinely a guy with a lot of issues. ---
**Author:** ![Hypnagogic\_Jerk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hypnagogic_jerk/32/4252_2.png) [@Hypnagogic\_Jerk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hypnagogic_Jerk)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2011, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-jaquelope-you-are-all-kinds-of-nuts/573941/7 "2011-03-08T18:04:38Z")
> [@even\_sven](#): > > Yeah, I’m sure that no overweight, older-than-40, unattractive, child-having or otherwise not sexually desirable woman can feel what you are feeling. Non-sexually desirable women are all over everywhere and hold a great place in society, while older, overweight, unattractive or otherwise not-sexy guys are never in the media, politics, or anything public at all. We just want them to fade away. To be fair, that’s not what **Le Jacquelope** is talking about here. A man may be old, overweight and unattractive physically and still be really sexy. If he’s a politician, chances are he’s got experience and skill at persuading people, and he’s also likely powerful and rich (which is sexy). But it’s true that guys who have trouble dating because there’s some skill they haven’t mastered don’t get much in the way of sympathy in our society. And if there’s something that makes you instantly unsexy, it’s admitting that you’re having trouble with these skills and that it bothers you. I don’t really want to defend **Le Jacquelope** here, who probably underestimated how women can also suffer from loneliness. But on the other hand, having sex is culturally tied with one’s status as a man. Women are less expected to have a lot of it, all the time. (Of course there is also the “double standard” that they _aren’t supposed_ to enjoy sex, but this is fading.) ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2011, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-jaquelope-you-are-all-kinds-of-nuts/573941/8 "2011-03-08T18:09:48Z")
> [@even\_sven](#): > > Here, he explains how women are just SOOOOOOOO mean because we don’t spend our lives fretting over the pwecious feeewings of guys who have trouble dating. **Le Jac** has trouble dating? I am Jack’s complete lack of surprise. ---
**Author:** ![Kyla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/eada6e/32.png) [@Kyla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kyla)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2011, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-jaquelope-you-are-all-kinds-of-nuts/573941/9 "2011-03-08T18:11:34Z")
> [@Rhythmdvl](#): > > Obvious troll is obvious. > > Read a bit more of its postings and you’ll see it’s a schtick. If his schtick is being a misogynistic asshole, then he’s very convincing. ---
**Author:** ![even\_sven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dfb087/32.png) [@even\_sven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/even_sven)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2011, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-jaquelope-you-are-all-kinds-of-nuts/573941/10 "2011-03-08T18:22:34Z")
> [@Hypnagogic\_Jerk](#): > > To be fair, that’s not what **Le Jacquelope** is talking about here. A man may be old, overweight and unattractive physically and still be really sexy. If he’s a politician, chances are he’s got experience and skill at persuading people, and he’s also likely powerful and rich (which is sexy). I’m more stating that society’s tendency to categorize unsexy people as irrelevant is hardly gendered. It’s not like the unsexy men are swept under the rug while the overweight, plain, and older women get all the glory. Everyone without any sex appeal makes for bad TV. That said, Rush Limbaugh got different treatment than Janet Reno. Our society is extremely harsh on female public figures who lack sex appeal. Also, I do think men have a lot more options for staying relevant than women do. A male newscaster doesn’t have to be sexy, but a female one does, for example. ---
**Author:** ![Paranoid\_Randroid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/paranoid_randroid/32/18_2.png) [@Paranoid\_Randroid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paranoid_Randroid)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2011, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-jaquelope-you-are-all-kinds-of-nuts/573941/11 "2011-03-08T18:26:25Z")
> [@Hypnagogic\_Jerk](#): > > But it’s true that guys who have trouble dating because there’s some skill they haven’t mastered don’t get much in the way of sympathy in our society. Maybe. But this is only pertinent if women with dating trouble receive comparably (much) more sympathy, a position which I take **Le Jacquelope** to be defending. Well, that and the idea that women simply don’t _need_ sympathy; they’re all perfectly fine not having anyone. All of this is quite absurd – many girls and women beat themselves up _mercilessly_ for feeling unloved, for being lonely. Who’s more likely to be a cutter or attempt suicide, a male or a female? > [@](#): > > I don’t really want to defend **Le Jacquelope** here, who probably underestimated how women can also suffer from loneliness. If by “probably underestimated how women can also suffer from loneliness” you mean “definitely posited that women never suffer from loneliness.” > [@](#): > > But on the other hand, having sex is culturally tied with one’s status as a man. Maybe in men’s heads, but – at least in the circles I run – the amount of sex one’s having comes up precisely never. YMMV. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2011, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-jaquelope-you-are-all-kinds-of-nuts/573941/12 "2011-03-08T18:27:03Z")
> [@Giraffe](#): > > He’s not misogynistic! And even if he was, it would all women everywhere’s fault for being such bitches. The most amazing ones are the ones who have no friends, male OR female, which somehow shows that women are bitches. Anyway Stranger posted a great link that in that thread for people, men and women, who just want to get better at relating to others and finding friends and relationships. I said I was going to bookmark it for other dope threads, but did I? NOOoooOOO. ---
**Author:** ![purplehorseshoe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/purplehorseshoe/32/2996_2.png) [@purplehorseshoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/purplehorseshoe)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2011, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-jaquelope-you-are-all-kinds-of-nuts/573941/13 "2011-03-08T18:29:31Z")
> [@Lord\_Ashtar](#): > > **Le Jac** has trouble dating? I am Jack’s complete lack of surprise. Ah-hahahahahaha. Awesome. ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2011, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-jaquelope-you-are-all-kinds-of-nuts/573941/14 "2011-03-08T18:43:21Z")
Who’d pass up a such a rich catch that understands economics so well? ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2011, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-jaquelope-you-are-all-kinds-of-nuts/573941/15 "2011-03-08T18:44:31Z")
> [@Paranoid\_Randroid](#): > > Maybe. But this is only pertinent if women with dating trouble receive comparably (much) more sympathy, a position which I take **Le Jacquelope** to be defending. Well, that and the idea that women simply don’t _need_ sympathy; they’re all perfectly fine not having anyone. All of this is quite absurd – many girls and women beat themselves up _mercilessly_ for feeling unloved, for being lonely. Who’s more likely to be a cutter or attempt suicide, a male or a female? Attempt suicide? Women. Actually kill themselves? Men, by a large margin IIRC. Next question? ---
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2011, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-jaquelope-you-are-all-kinds-of-nuts/573941/16 "2011-03-08T18:47:46Z")
> [@Malacandra](#): > > Attempt suicide? Women. Actually kill themselves? Men, by a large margin IIRC. Next question? Men tend to use guns. You’re a dishonest shitstain for suggesting that women are somehow in less pain. You guys need to look up MGTOW. That’s “Men Going Their Own Way.” Jaquelope sounds like he’d fit right in. ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2011, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-jaquelope-you-are-all-kinds-of-nuts/573941/17 "2011-03-08T18:49:56Z")
> [@margin](#): > > Men tend to use guns. You’re a dishonest shitstain for suggesting that women are somehow in less pain. You’re a dishonest shitstain, full stop, as I have known for most of my time on these boards. Pardon me for ignoring women’s pain and selfishly focusing on men’s deaths instead. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2011, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-jaquelope-you-are-all-kinds-of-nuts/573941/18 "2011-03-08T18:50:19Z")
> [@kidchameleon](#): > > Who’d pass up a such a rich catch that understands economics so well? Not a foreign mail order bride, that’s for sure! Unfortunately, he only supports the American mail order bride industry, which has kind of been on the rocks. ---
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2011, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-jaquelope-you-are-all-kinds-of-nuts/573941/19 "2011-03-08T18:53:49Z")
> [@Malacandra](#): > > You’re a dishonest shitstain, full stop, as I have known for most of my time on these boards. Pardon me for ignoring women’s pain and selfishly focusing on men’s deaths instead. Where women have access to the same things as men do, suicide rates tend to even out. Because we all know that an accident of circumstance means the pain is equal. Now why don’t you trot out another cliche from MRA-land? Something about how men have to sign up for selective service? (Even though there’s been no draft in forever.) Or I alwys like the one about how men die seven years earlier. ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2011, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-jaquelope-you-are-all-kinds-of-nuts/573941/20 "2011-03-08T18:56:20Z")
I’ve no idea what you even mean by women having access to the same things as men do, but I’ll ignore your straw-manning and well-poisoning, you dishonest shitstain, and cite you [this](http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=1092) UK statistic. Hint: Most UK citizens don’t have access to guns. For the comprehensionally challenged, over this 18-year period male suicides outnumbered female by about three to one. Merely suggesting that pitying _women_ over suicide statistics was perhaps misplaced and ill-informed. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-jaquelope-you-are-all-kinds-of-nuts/573941.md?page=2)