# Wow... truth is stranger than fiction - "Could this be happening? A man's nightmare made real" **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [June 27, 2011, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-truth-is-stranger-than-fiction-could-this-be-happening-a-mans-nightmare-made-real/586990 "2011-06-27T03:47:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2011, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-truth-is-stranger-than-fiction-could-this-be-happening-a-mans-nightmare-made-real/586990/1 "2011-06-27T03:47:05Z")
LA Times story part 1 [Could this be happening? A man’s nightmare made real](http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-accused-20110626,0,7042051.story) If you can’t wait for Tuesday’s installment [here’s what finally happened.](http://www.vcstar.com/news/2010/jan/02/55000-ordered-paid-for-false-accusation/) > [@](#): > > The sky was beautiful that afternoon. Louis Gonzalez III remembered it felt like spring. > > He was standing on the sidewalk outside the Simi Valley Montessori School, having just flown in from Las Vegas, hoping to get a look at his 5-year-old son’s new kindergarten. Standing there, waiting for the door to open so he could scoop the boy up in his arms and fly him to Nevada for the weekend. > > The first officer arrived on a motorcycle and headed straight for him. He did not explain the charges as he snapped on the handcuffs. As Gonzalez stood there stunned, he noticed little faces pressed against the schoolhouse glass, watching, and asked if he could be moved just a bit so his son didn’t have to see. ---
**Author:** ![Moonlitherial](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4bbf92/32.png) [@Moonlitherial](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moonlitherial)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2011, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-truth-is-stranger-than-fiction-could-this-be-happening-a-mans-nightmare-made-real/586990/2 "2011-06-27T03:57:08Z")
Holy cow that is one vindictive woman. ---
**Author:** ![Mosier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ea924/32.png) [@Mosier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mosier)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2011, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-truth-is-stranger-than-fiction-could-this-be-happening-a-mans-nightmare-made-real/586990/3 "2011-06-27T04:06:40Z")
I don’t like posts that don’t even really hint at what the topic is about. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2011, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-truth-is-stranger-than-fiction-could-this-be-happening-a-mans-nightmare-made-real/586990/4 "2011-06-27T04:25:43Z")
They both sound pretty terrible. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2011, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-truth-is-stranger-than-fiction-could-this-be-happening-a-mans-nightmare-made-real/586990/5 "2011-06-27T04:31:06Z")
> [@Moonlitherial](#): > > Holy cow that is one vindictive woman. Whenever I read something like this it always reminds me of a comment I over heard someone say back in high school. “When a woman accuses someone of rape and it turns out she was lying, she should have to take whatever punishment he would have received because that kind of thing can ruin the rest of his life” Now, I know something like this could never work for a quite a few reasons (that I’m not looking to discuss in this thread), but I always liked the theory. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2011, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-truth-is-stranger-than-fiction-could-this-be-happening-a-mans-nightmare-made-real/586990/6 "2011-06-27T04:39:20Z")
Didn’t read all the article but how’d she tie herself up? ---
**Author:** ![Sierra\_Indigo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f0a364/32.png) [@Sierra\_Indigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sierra_Indigo)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2011, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-truth-is-stranger-than-fiction-could-this-be-happening-a-mans-nightmare-made-real/586990/7 "2011-06-27T04:45:08Z")
> [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > Didn’t read all the article but how’d she tie herself up? It doesn’t say. Neither does the second article. I presume the “hows” of the case are in part two. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2011, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-truth-is-stranger-than-fiction-could-this-be-happening-a-mans-nightmare-made-real/586990/8 "2011-06-27T04:45:22Z")
> [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > Didn’t read all the article but how’d she tie herself up? Her husband was in on it. At least I’m assuming that based on “The lawsuit names West and her husband, Timothy Geiges, who is accused of helping her concoct the false story of rape and brutality” ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2011, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-truth-is-stranger-than-fiction-could-this-be-happening-a-mans-nightmare-made-real/586990/9 "2011-06-27T04:48:03Z")
Good outcome, and I agree that the false accusation should be a criminal offense, but only if really persuasive evidence exists that the accuser is knowingly lying. This case appears to meet that standard. I hope this guy gets custody of the kid and every cent he’s got coming to him. Rape is a hard enough crime to prosecute without bitches like this casting doubt on legitimate victims. The headlines should also be just as big when an accused person is exonerated (not just not convicted, but actually determned to be “factually innocent” as this judge concluded) as they are when he’s accused ---
**Author:** ![GreedySmurf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a698b9/32.png) [@GreedySmurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreedySmurf)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2011, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-truth-is-stranger-than-fiction-could-this-be-happening-a-mans-nightmare-made-real/586990/10 "2011-06-27T05:36:03Z")
> [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > They both sound pretty terrible. How so? I realise the article was obviously written taking the blokes side, but potentially biased journalism aside and not knowing anyone involved I fail to see how you can detemrine that he sounds as bad as the woman involved? I hope his civil case is a roaring success. Not that he’ll get much from her, but hopefully he can at least get primary custody of the child. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2011, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-truth-is-stranger-than-fiction-could-this-be-happening-a-mans-nightmare-made-real/586990/11 "2011-06-27T05:41:24Z")
> [@GreedySmurf](#): > > How so? > > I realise the article was obviously written taking the blokes side, but potentially biased journalism aside and not knowing anyone involved I fail to see how you can detemrine that he sounds as bad as the woman involved? Well there’s this > [@](#): > > In her fourth month of pregnancy, West met Gonzalez at a Denny’s in Vegas. According to a police report, she said he became upset because she wouldn’t go back to him. She said he slapped her and punched her stomach. > > Gonzalez’s version: They had gotten back together, and argued because she was seeing another man and lying about it. He admitted to breaking her windshield, but only after she “went nuts hitting him,” the police report said. He was arrested on suspicion of misdemeanor domestic violence. The charge was dropped. I’m willing to bet this isn’t the only time one of them has laid a hand on the other in anger, it’s probably the only time it’s happened in public. ---
**Author:** ![GreedySmurf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a698b9/32.png) [@GreedySmurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreedySmurf)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2011, 5:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-truth-is-stranger-than-fiction-could-this-be-happening-a-mans-nightmare-made-real/586990/12 "2011-06-27T05:44:07Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > The headlines should also be just as big when an accused person is exonerated (not just not convicted, but actually determned to be “factually innocent” as this judge concluded) as they are when he’s accused Excuse my ignorance of US law, but presumably having a judge rule you are “factually innocent” is a specific statement that he was 100% innocent of the charges, as opposed to say there being insuffeceint evidence, or a simple statement of charges were dropped? I wonder if he gets a certified letter or something to that effect? I’m serious, what if he went back to his employer and said here you go. Didn’t do it, any chance of my job back? ---
**Author:** ![GreedySmurf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a698b9/32.png) [@GreedySmurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreedySmurf)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2011, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-truth-is-stranger-than-fiction-could-this-be-happening-a-mans-nightmare-made-real/586990/13 "2011-06-27T05:49:38Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > Well there’s this > > I’m willing to bet this isn’t the only time one of them has laid a hand on the other in anger, it’s probably the only time it’s happened in public. Based on her displayed behaviour, personally I’m willing to accept his version of those events. Willing to accept that there’s probably been a lot go on behind closed doors, but these actions by the woman are so far beyond the pale that unless he was physically abusive he in no way is anywhere near as bad as her. And I see nothing to suggest that he was. Obviously just my opinion, but this woman was willing to see him go to jail for the rest of his life just to be nasty and presumably to make sure she has sole custody. ---
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2011, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-truth-is-stranger-than-fiction-could-this-be-happening-a-mans-nightmare-made-real/586990/14 "2011-06-27T05:51:35Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > Well there’s this > > I’m willing to bet this isn’t the only time one of them has laid a hand on the other in anger, it’s probably the only time it’s happened in public. Since she’s pretty much a proven liar, I think it’s reasonable to give greater credence to him in this situation. If he had punched her in the stomach, I would think (although I am no expert) that there would be enough evidence of that after the fact such that the domestic violence charge would not have been dropped so easily. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2011, 5:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-truth-is-stranger-than-fiction-could-this-be-happening-a-mans-nightmare-made-real/586990/15 "2011-06-27T05:59:47Z")
I’m not defending either of them, I’m just pointing out what FS was probably basing the “They both sound pretty terrible” comment on. ---
**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2011, 7:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-truth-is-stranger-than-fiction-could-this-be-happening-a-mans-nightmare-made-real/586990/16 "2011-06-27T07:02:56Z")
I’m surprised she can still get unsupervised visitation of the kid. But glad to know he’s doing ok. ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2011, 11:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-truth-is-stranger-than-fiction-could-this-be-happening-a-mans-nightmare-made-real/586990/17 "2011-06-27T11:09:41Z")
> [@panache45](#): > > I’m surprised she can still get unsupervised visitation of the kid. But glad to know he’s doing ok. Yeah, my assumption would be that if she thinks she’ll have no other way to harm her ex soon, she might take it out on their son. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2011, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-truth-is-stranger-than-fiction-could-this-be-happening-a-mans-nightmare-made-real/586990/18 "2011-06-27T13:17:34Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > Well there’s this > > I’m willing to bet this isn’t the only time one of them has laid a hand on the other in anger, it’s probably the only time it’s happened in public. Yeah, that’s what I meant. He’s the kind of guy who’d hit her, she’s the kind who’d lie about it…they sound meant to be. ---
**Author:** ![Autolycus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/22d042/32.png) [@Autolycus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Autolycus)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2011, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-truth-is-stranger-than-fiction-could-this-be-happening-a-mans-nightmare-made-real/586990/19 "2011-06-27T13:42:26Z")
> [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > Yeah, that’s what I meant. He’s the kind of guy who’d hit her, she’s the kind who’d lie about it…they sound meant to be. While I grant he doesn’t sound like a saint among men, from this story we know a few things happened: He hit her windshield in anger. She knowingly lied about him raping and torturing her in an attempt to ruin his life forever and gain sole custody of her child. While neither action is that of an enlightened being, I find equivocating the two characters to be offensive and possibly more. Maybe I’m misreading the intent of your post here. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2011, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-truth-is-stranger-than-fiction-could-this-be-happening-a-mans-nightmare-made-real/586990/20 "2011-06-27T13:46:54Z")
Well, she also said he hit her, though I guess we don’t know if that really happened. If his story that all he did was hit her windshield, I don’t think those actions are equivalent. Just that they both sound very low class, trashy types. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-truth-is-stranger-than-fiction-could-this-be-happening-a-mans-nightmare-made-real/586990.md?page=2)