# WoW: Why did nobody tell me about this! **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 22, 2009, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-why-did-nobody-tell-me-about-this/507323 "2009-08-22T17:30:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![smiling\_bandit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9a140/32.png) [@smiling\_bandit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smiling_bandit)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2009, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-why-did-nobody-tell-me-about-this/507323/1 "2009-08-22T17:30:24Z")
All I can say is: Whoa! Alliance Worgen?! Horde Goblins?! A complete redesign of the entire original gameworld with all their new tricks! [The Cataclysm is COMING!](http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/splash-cataclysm.htm) OK, I need to make some mroe money. Because I MUST get this and get back into WoW! (Oh, and because an MMO thread is not complete without somebody griping, I will complain that Worgen can’t be Shamans. I want play a duel-claw Worgen Shammy! WoW will totally suck without this feature! Blizzard sucks! 😉 ) ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2009, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-why-did-nobody-tell-me-about-this/507323/2 "2009-08-22T17:38:28Z")
Why did nobody tell you? Because you don’t follow the omnibus thread in this very forum. 😛 It was _just_ officially announced yesterday. ---
**Author:** ![smiling\_bandit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9a140/32.png) [@smiling\_bandit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smiling_bandit)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2009, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-why-did-nobody-tell-me-about-this/507323/3 "2009-08-22T18:00:11Z")
Ah well, since that was taken, let’s not forget DIABLO III Have you ffriggin SEEN the Monk! He’s like all the honor-bound arse ijsmashing of the Paladin combined with the martial-artist ass kicking of the Assassin! Friggin DAAAAAAMMN!!! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![MJinks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/da6949/32.png) [@MJinks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MJinks)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2009, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-why-did-nobody-tell-me-about-this/507323/4 "2009-08-22T19:38:07Z")
> [@smiling\_bandit](#): > > (Oh, and because an MMO thread is not complete without somebody griping, Me! Me! Me! Ok… My server is already unbalanced 3:1 in alliance’ favour. With the new races I can only imagine it getting worse. The Worgen look much cooler than Goblins IMO. ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2009, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-why-did-nobody-tell-me-about-this/507323/5 "2009-08-22T19:44:08Z")
Jeez man. I’m sorta glad I kicked my WoW addiction just before WotLK came out. I would never have left my room if I were still playing it. For those of you who can actually control yourselves and limit your play though, I am happy for you. ---
**Author:** ![Airk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9de053/32.png) [@Airk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airk)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2009, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-why-did-nobody-tell-me-about-this/507323/6 "2009-08-22T20:35:14Z")
Meh. It’s still a fundamentally shallow levelling treadmill with no meaningful way to influence the world and horrendously imbalanced PvP (by definition, since gear works in in PvP) like 90% of MMORPGs. Adding a couple of new races and whatnot doesn’t really change anything. ---
**Author:** ![Jragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19b73/32.png) [@Jragon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jragon)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2009, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-why-did-nobody-tell-me-about-this/507323/7 "2009-08-22T20:51:05Z")
Oh, cool, the finally unforgot about Gilneas. ---
**Author:** ![Jragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19b73/32.png) [@Jragon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jragon)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2009, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-why-did-nobody-tell-me-about-this/507323/8 "2009-08-22T21:00:04Z")
> [@Jragon](#): > > the **They** , stupid y key… ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2009, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-why-did-nobody-tell-me-about-this/507323/9 "2009-08-22T21:12:51Z")
Weeks ago, I deleted a lvl 30 pally on my account to open up a slot for a goblin character. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2009, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-why-did-nobody-tell-me-about-this/507323/10 "2009-08-22T21:28:41Z")
I wonder if we’re finally gonna learn what the Deeprun Tram tunnels under on its way between Stormwind and Ironforge … ---
**Author:** ![smiling\_bandit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9a140/32.png) [@smiling\_bandit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smiling_bandit)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2009, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-why-did-nobody-tell-me-about-this/507323/11 "2009-08-25T15:51:12Z")
Hey, which classes wear pants? Worgen seem tuned to DPS classes (and priest). Hunters can DPS reasonably well (and reliably, and control the threat they make), Druids, Mages, Rogues, DK, DPS Warrior. But I want to wear pants! ---
**Author:** ![aruvqan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aruvqan/32/2891_2.png) [@aruvqan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aruvqan)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2009, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-why-did-nobody-tell-me-about-this/507323/12 "2009-08-25T16:00:13Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > I wonder if we’re finally gonna learn what the Deeprun Tram tunnels under on its way between Stormwind and Ironforge .. It runs more or less under the bridge/river between north and south azaroth … ---
**Author:** ![aruvqan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aruvqan/32/2891_2.png) [@aruvqan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aruvqan)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2009, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-why-did-nobody-tell-me-about-this/507323/13 "2009-08-25T16:02:05Z")
> [@smiling\_bandit](#): > > Hey, which classes wear pants? Worgen seem tuned to DPS classes (and priest). Hunters can DPS reasonably well (and reliably, and control the threat they make), Druids, Mages, Rogues, DK, DPS Warrior. But I want to wear pants! any class can wear pants, actually they all have leg armor. If you want short, wear tunics instead of robes. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2009, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-why-did-nobody-tell-me-about-this/507323/14 "2009-08-25T16:13:06Z")
> [@aruvqan](#): > > It runs more or less under the bridge/river between north and south azaroth … Huh? That’s north of the Wetlands, which is north of Ironforge. Check [this link](http://mapwow.com/). Half of the tram ride goes under the flat brown area and half goes under Dun Morogh. That raises the question of where exactly the underwater portion of the tram occurs, but considering it’s a straight-shot tram between Stormwind and Ironforge, there’s no other logical way to read it. The flat brown area is what **Mister Rik** was referring to. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2009, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-why-did-nobody-tell-me-about-this/507323/15 "2009-08-25T18:19:01Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > Check [this link](http://mapwow.com/). Half of the tram ride goes under the flat brown area and half goes under Dun Morogh. That raises the question of where exactly the underwater portion of the tram occurs, but considering it’s a straight-shot tram between Stormwind and Ironforge, there’s no other logical way to read it. The flat brown area is what **Mister Rik** was referring to. Link went to the wrong place (at least on my machine), so I took a screenshot and doctored up the map a bit: [http://www.mister-rik.com/hosted/sw-if.jpg](http://www.mister-rik.com/hosted/sw-if.jpg) I’ve speculatively colored in where it looks like the water might be, really the only place it could be, given the positions of the mountains and hills. The only problem is that, as you take the tram from SW to IF, the water seems to be much further away from SW. That can be explained by saying that they just didn’t put “windows” in the tunnel until it was nearly to the mountains. The position of the lake/inland sea would explain that waterfall you pass over while flying between SW and IF, as there doesn’t seem to be any other source for it in the areas you can see while flying. Tram route is marked in red, rough flight path is in green. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2009, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-why-did-nobody-tell-me-about-this/507323/16 "2009-08-25T18:26:00Z")
Too late to edit … Looking more closely at a zoomed-in version of the map, I’m also going to speculate that the theoretical lake is also the source of the water in the SW canals, and I’m willing to bet that, if Stormwind Keep had North-looking windows you could see out of, you’d see that the Keep is built right out into the water. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2009, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-why-did-nobody-tell-me-about-this/507323/17 "2009-08-25T18:27:32Z")
Nice. Well, we know the flat area is where [Deathwing will break through to Azeroth](http://www.wow.com/2009/08/24/blizzcon-2009-entering-a-brave-new-world/). Judging by the map, it’s a toss-up as to whether or not the tram will simply be ruined in the process; it’s in the same general area, but the place where Deepholm is marked is pretty small compared to the other new areas. ---
**Author:** ![smiling\_bandit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9a140/32.png) [@smiling\_bandit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smiling_bandit)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2009, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-why-did-nobody-tell-me-about-this/507323/18 "2009-08-26T00:40:16Z")
> [@aruvqan](#): > > any class can wear pants, actually they all have leg armor. If you want short, wear tunics instead of robes. Ah, but don’t you think the Worgen would look better in rogue leathers or chain? Amusingly, they can probably wear boots but the boots will be mostly invisible. Gloves likewise. ---
**Author:** ![Jragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19b73/32.png) [@Jragon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jragon)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2009, 6:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-why-did-nobody-tell-me-about-this/507323/19 "2009-08-26T06:07:06Z")
I’m not sure about getting this. On one hand I’d _really_ like to see these places, a lot of these are a lore nerd’s wet dream and Deathwing and Azshara are pretty cool (and a city under the Maelstrom!). On the other hand I know that, once again, I’m not going to get to experience the actual story because they’ll be locked behind 25 man raids I’ll never be able to get into (or at least get to Tier 2 of), so again I’ll see the mostly mediocre quest content without getting much meat. I also think it’s a little weak they’re leaving the classes be this time, while new races are cool and I’m sure it takes a lot of work to make the new leveling content and balance their racials I think I’d prefer some cool class mechanic more. I have to admit though, I really like that they’re dumping a lot of stats, it will make keeping up with gear progression a lot easier if I continue to play and we won’t have to play that game of watching people screw with a calculator for 3 months before they figure out whether AP is better than Armor Pen this patch (or whatever). On another note, does anyone know how the Cataclysm is going to work yet? Is it going to just be _boom_ expansion hits, Azeroth dies or is it going to be phased? If not I _really_ need to find a group to experience WoW classic raids soon. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2009, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-why-did-nobody-tell-me-about-this/507323/20 "2009-08-26T14:38:39Z")
They’ve said there will be no way to return to pre-Cataclysm Azeroth, you won’t get a choice, which I would imagine would exclude the option of not doing the quests that might phase from pre to post. (ETA: Just realized this sentence sounds weird. I don’t think there will be any quests that phase from pre to post at all, it’ll just happen.) There’ll be an in-game event, presumably the servers will go down, then when they come back up the world will be reformed. Honestly, I’m not sure the new raids will be the coolest thing about the expansion. They almost seem like an afterthought, tacked onto the world redesign. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wow-why-did-nobody-tell-me-about-this/507323.md?page=2)