# WTC Collapse: Need airtight answer please! **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [January 31, 2014, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc-collapse-need-airtight-answer-please/680226 "2014-01-31T19:14:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2014, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc-collapse-need-airtight-answer-please/680226/21 "2014-01-31T20:44:16Z")
> [@split\_p\_j](#): > > I’m not going to play the explanation game again either. I don’t know what happened, but I do know that what we were told happened is a pack of easily proven lies. CITE? ---
**Author:** ![x-ray\_vision](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/x-ray_vision/32/351_2.png) [@x-ray\_vision](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/x-ray_vision)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2014, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc-collapse-need-airtight-answer-please/680226/22 "2014-01-31T20:46:50Z")
> [@split\_p\_j](#): > > I’m not going to bother to look for the link again after the response I got. But you’ll bother to just make claims that you won’t support as if that will give you a better response? ---
**Author:** ![split\_p\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19b73/32.png) [@split\_p\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/split_p_j)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2014, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc-collapse-need-airtight-answer-please/680226/23 "2014-01-31T20:47:09Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > Just because one CTer agrees with another does not make it “peer reviewed”. Peer reviewed and published, you know what that means right? This is the kind of thing I’m talking about. The scientific method was followed by a credentialed member of the scientific community , and it’s just dismissed so easily here. I mean, what more do you want? This is why I’m not going to bother here. I just wanted to make the OP aware that there is way more information than is generally known ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2014, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc-collapse-need-airtight-answer-please/680226/24 "2014-01-31T20:53:22Z")
> [@split\_p\_j](#): > > a credentialed member of the scientific community You think we hand out cards? Climate change denialists also have credentials. A lot of them are chemists or engineers, though. Not climatologists. That’s the point of checking the actual paper and credentials. A civil engineer’s word is going to carry a heck of a lot more weight than a random microbiologist. ---
**Author:** ![split\_p\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19b73/32.png) [@split\_p\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/split_p_j)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2014, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc-collapse-need-airtight-answer-please/680226/25 "2014-01-31T20:57:40Z")
> [@Annie-Xmas](#): > > CITE? Ok, I’ll give you an easy one to start with. Condoleezza Rice stating afterwards that no one could have imagined airliners being used as weapons and flown into buildings. The records that we can get show the US military drilling for such an event as early as '95, 6 years before 911. Clearly some one was thinking about the possibility. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2014, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc-collapse-need-airtight-answer-please/680226/26 "2014-01-31T21:00:01Z")
> [@split\_p\_j](#): > > Peer reviewed and published, you know what that means right? This is the kind of thing I’m talking about. The scientific method was followed by a credentialed member of the scientific community , and it’s just dismissed so easily here. I’ve clicked all over your posts and couldn’t find a link to a citation. ---
**Author:** ![x-ray\_vision](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/x-ray_vision/32/351_2.png) [@x-ray\_vision](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/x-ray_vision)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2014, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc-collapse-need-airtight-answer-please/680226/27 "2014-01-31T21:01:44Z")
^ That’s because “they” don’t want you to find it! ---
**Author:** ![split\_p\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19b73/32.png) [@split\_p\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/split_p_j)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2014, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc-collapse-need-airtight-answer-please/680226/28 "2014-01-31T21:01:45Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > You think we hand out cards? > > Climate change denialists also have credentials. A lot of them are chemists or engineers, though. Not climatologists. > > That’s the point of checking the actual paper and credentials. A civil engineer’s word is going to carry a heck of a lot more weight than a random microbiologist. Dr. Jones is a physicist. I think that discipline is relevant to 911, don’t you? ---
**Author:** ![Musicat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/musicat/32/20189_2.png) [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2014, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc-collapse-need-airtight-answer-please/680226/29 "2014-01-31T21:06:24Z")
> [@split\_p\_j](#): > > This has been proven to be incorrect, due to the velocity of the puffs of dust. We’re still waiting for you to define your antecedent for “this”. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2014, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc-collapse-need-airtight-answer-please/680226/30 "2014-01-31T21:06:51Z")
> [@split\_p\_j](#): > > Dr. Jones is a physicist. I think that discipline is relevant to 911, don’t you? He’s a high energy physicist who was previously most famous for his work in muon-catalyzed fusion. That’s not remotely relevant to large-scale civil engineering or catastrophic failure analysis. ---
**Author:** ![Musicat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/musicat/32/20189_2.png) [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2014, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc-collapse-need-airtight-answer-please/680226/31 "2014-01-31T21:08:38Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > He’s a high energy physicist who was previously most famous for his work in muon-catalyzed fusion. That’s not remotely relevant to large-scale civil engineering or catastrophic failure analysis. Not to mention his tinfoil hat gets in the way of serious discussion. ---
**Author:** ![split\_p\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19b73/32.png) [@split\_p\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/split_p_j)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2014, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc-collapse-need-airtight-answer-please/680226/32 "2014-01-31T21:09:43Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > I’ve clicked all over your posts and couldn’t find a link to a citation. Marley, I think it’s in my posts about thermite and nano thermite. Which were dismissed by people saying oh it was jut the steel and the aluminum from the buildings that was found. Even though physicist say it’s impossible for the two materials to interact on the microscopic level do to gravity. ---
**Author:** ![Musicat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/musicat/32/20189_2.png) [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2014, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc-collapse-need-airtight-answer-please/680226/33 "2014-01-31T21:12:43Z")
\*\*Split\_p&j, \*\*[this site](http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/1227842) is a very good starting point for most 9/11 theories, as I suspect you have more objections to the “official” theories than just one. The link is also available as a book. Highly recommended. I’ll bet 90% of your questions can be answered by it. ---
**Author:** ![TimeWinder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bcef8e/32.png) [@TimeWinder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TimeWinder)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2014, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc-collapse-need-airtight-answer-please/680226/34 "2014-01-31T21:15:12Z")
> [@split\_p\_j](#): > > , and it’s just dismissed so easily here. We haven’t dismissed it. We haven’t even SEEN it. > [@split\_p\_j](#): > > I mean, what more do you want? Nobody’s mentioned this yet, but we’d like the actual cite. ---
**Author:** ![split\_p\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19b73/32.png) [@split\_p\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/split_p_j)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2014, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc-collapse-need-airtight-answer-please/680226/35 "2014-01-31T21:17:09Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > He’s a high energy physicist who was previously most famous for his work in muon-catalyzed fusion. That’s not remotely relevant to large-scale civil engineering or catastrophic failure analysis. So are saying he is a physicist, but he can’t analyze a building collapse supposedly driven by gravity because he specializes in high energy particles? So he can work in muon-catalyzed fusion, but has nothing to add when it comes to basic physics. That sounds like a hand wave to me. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2014, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc-collapse-need-airtight-answer-please/680226/36 "2014-01-31T21:20:14Z")
> [@split\_p\_j](#): > > I believe I’ve linked to the paper from Dr. Steven Jones You mean the one which used samples with no chain of custody and the one he could ony get published in a vanity journal, which caused the editor in chief of said journal to resign in disgust? That paper? ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2014, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc-collapse-need-airtight-answer-please/680226/37 "2014-01-31T21:21:28Z")
> [@split\_p\_j](#): > > Dr. Jones is a physicist. I think that discipline is relevant to 911, don’t you? > [@Miller](#): > > He’s a high energy physicist who was previously most famous for his work in muon-catalyzed fusion. That’s not remotely relevant to large-scale civil engineering or catastrophic failure analysis. I pretty much expected this. > [@split\_p\_j](#): > > So are saying he is a physicist, but he can’t analyze a building collapse supposedly driven by gravity because he specializes in high energy particles? He can analyze it all he wants. But he will have no special knowledge or ability beyond that of a layman (though a well educated layman). I have a degree in electrical engineering. It’s a big field. Ask me to design an FPGA, and I’ll get to work on it (though I haven’t done so in years and will be very rusty). Ask me to work on high voltage power lines and metropolitan power systems, and I’ll refer you so somebody else. I don’t shoot off my mouth on things I have no special training in. ---
**Author:** ![split\_p\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19b73/32.png) [@split\_p\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/split_p_j)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2014, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc-collapse-need-airtight-answer-please/680226/38 "2014-01-31T21:22:32Z")
Now I have to ask for a cite. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2014, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc-collapse-need-airtight-answer-please/680226/39 "2014-01-31T21:25:02Z")
[It’s all on his wiki entry.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_E._Jones) ---
**Author:** ![split\_p\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19b73/32.png) [@split\_p\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/split_p_j)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2014, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc-collapse-need-airtight-answer-please/680226/40 "2014-01-31T21:27:51Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > I pretty much expected this. I don’t understand this. Just because he’s specialized means he can’t comment on gravity and what it can and can’t do? Isn’t that physics 101? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc-collapse-need-airtight-answer-please/680226.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc-collapse-need-airtight-answer-please/680226.md?page=3)