# WTC Collapse: Need airtight answer please! **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [January 31, 2014, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc-collapse-need-airtight-answer-please/680226 "2014-01-31T19:14:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Patch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a183cd/32.png) [@Patch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Patch)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2014, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc-collapse-need-airtight-answer-please/680226/101 "2014-02-02T02:48:19Z")
> [@Zakalwe](#): > > Ya know, somehow, deep down, I knew that I couldn’t come up with something crazy enough that it hadn’t already been floated. Damn. :mad: Are you familiar with the ‘no-planers’ who contend there were no aircraft impacts that day, but rather 3D holograms? Every time I think of the craziest 9/11 conspiracy there is, an even crazier one comes to mind. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2014, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc-collapse-need-airtight-answer-please/680226/102 "2014-02-02T03:43:34Z")
> [@Patch](#): > > Are you familiar with the ‘no-planers’ who contend there were no aircraft impacts that day, but rather 3D holograms? [Here’s one who used to post no-plane crap on the IMDb boards.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=422969) ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2014, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc-collapse-need-airtight-answer-please/680226/103 "2014-02-02T04:38:25Z")
> [@Patch](#): > > Every time I think of the craziest 9/11 conspiracy there is, an even crazier one comes to mind. Just Poe’s Law in action. ---
**Author:** ![CurtC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce73a5/32.png) [@CurtC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CurtC)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2014, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc-collapse-need-airtight-answer-please/680226/104 "2014-02-02T20:33:17Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > Next, they make a helluva bang, which no one heard or recorded. …in which we come full-circle. Originally, the CT nuts thought that the buildings looked like what they thought a controlled demolition would look like. But they had a problem - there were no tell-tale very loud explosions that would accompany demolition charges. That’s when Steven Jones stepped in. He postulated that thermite could have been used to sever the columns, thus producing no bangs. But then that brought up the problem that thermite is super-hot, but it’s liquid and it’s heavy, therefore cuts through whatever’s beneath it, but can’t cut through a vertical column. Next, Jones found something called “nanothermite” which is actually an explosive (the reaction proceeds in the material faster than the speed of sound), so the conspirators could use _that_ to cut the columns! But wait, isn’t this where we came in? There were no explosions - that’s why he had to invent this thermite idea in the first place! Now you’d just have to be incredibly stupid to hang onto this line of explanations. ---
**Author:** ![nevadaexile](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/eb8c5e/32.png) [@nevadaexile](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nevadaexile)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2014, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc-collapse-need-airtight-answer-please/680226/105 "2014-02-02T21:05:05Z")
I reference the link below when I have to debate 9/11. If they have an argument after reading this, I realize that I’m dealing with an idiot so I change the subject or excuse myself and leave the room. Reference: [http://tinyurl.com/7rwwut3](http://tinyurl.com/7rwwut3) ---
**Author:** ![Patch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a183cd/32.png) [@Patch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Patch)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2014, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc-collapse-need-airtight-answer-please/680226/106 "2014-02-02T22:02:06Z")
> [@nevadaexile](#): > > I reference the link below when I have to debate 9/11. If they have an argument after reading this, I realize that I’m dealing with an idiot so I change the subject or excuse myself and leave the room. > > Reference: > > [http://tinyurl.com/7rwwut3](http://tinyurl.com/7rwwut3) I’d also recommend Ryan Mackey’s _[On Debunking 9/11 Debunking](http://www.scribd.com/doc/197099199/Mackey-On-Debunking-911-Debunking)_. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2014, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc-collapse-need-airtight-answer-please/680226/107 "2014-02-03T04:46:44Z")
> [@Zakalwe](#): > > Ya know, somehow, deep down, I knew that I couldn’t come up with something crazy enough that it hadn’t already been floated. Damn. :mad: I’d be impressed if you could top [this](http://www.ajc.com/news/news/conspiracy-theorists-think-government-planted-fake/nc9cW/). Seriously, the WONJCT BS has now moved into bad performance art. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2014, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc-collapse-need-airtight-answer-please/680226/108 "2014-02-03T04:47:38Z")
> [@Patch](#): > > Are you familiar with the ‘no-planers’ who contend there were no aircraft impacts that day, but rather 3D holograms? > > Every time I think of the craziest 9/11 conspiracy there is, an even crazier one comes to mind. Google ‘Vicsims’ and see just fast truthers can grab a shovel when they hit rock bottom. ---
**Author:** ![Rick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9f8e36/32.png) [@Rick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2014, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc-collapse-need-airtight-answer-please/680226/109 "2014-02-03T05:18:31Z")
> [@Mr.Miskatonic](#): > > Google ‘Vicsims’ and see just fast truthers can grab a shovel when they hit rock bottom. Oh. My. God. ---
**Author:** ![Patch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a183cd/32.png) [@Patch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Patch)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2014, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc-collapse-need-airtight-answer-please/680226/110 "2014-02-03T06:19:38Z")
> [@Rick](#): > > Oh. My. God. Oh, yes. Some have even harassed relatives of the deceased for being part of the “lie”. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2014, 10:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc-collapse-need-airtight-answer-please/680226/111 "2014-02-03T10:15:25Z")
> [@Patch](#): > > Oh, yes. Some have even harassed relatives of the deceased for being part of the “lie”. :eek: Please tell me at least one of those harassers was either arrested or sued successfully. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2014, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc-collapse-need-airtight-answer-please/680226/112 "2014-02-03T12:35:51Z")
So _that’s_ where the whole “crisis actors” CT of the Sandy Hook shooting came from. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2014, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc-collapse-need-airtight-answer-please/680226/113 "2014-02-03T12:48:44Z")
You can’t win. There is an essential double standard in Conspiracy Theory. The CT depends on uncertainty. Puffs of dust… where did those come from? Maybe it’s from explosives, they would take the building down! We don’t know, I’m Just Asking Questions! Debunking a CT depends on certainty. Absolute unshakable certainty. Absolute certainty from an after the fact analysis of a terribly chaotic event. Uncertainty is easy, certainty is hard. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2014, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc-collapse-need-airtight-answer-please/680226/114 "2014-02-03T15:55:03Z")
> [@Rick](#): > > Oh. My. God. Sorry, I should have given a barf bag alert. ---
**Author:** ![Gerber7](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ccd318/32.png) [@Gerber7](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gerber7)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2014, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc-collapse-need-airtight-answer-please/680226/115 "2014-02-03T15:56:37Z")
Pretty sure this involves Sasquatch, rayguns and chupacabras oh and mimes never trusted em ! ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2014, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc-collapse-need-airtight-answer-please/680226/116 "2014-02-03T16:06:22Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > :eek: > > Please tell me at least one of those harassers was either arrested or sued successfully. With Sandy Hook CTs, one Scotty Walker was arrested. Not sure what came of it. You never heard such whining from the CT crowd, natch. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2014, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc-collapse-need-airtight-answer-please/680226/117 "2014-02-03T16:22:09Z")
Only tangentially related to the thread, but a Truther interrupted the Super Bowl MVP’s post-game news conference last night. It’s a bit of a Catch-22. Sure, it’s the most watched event of the year, but only nutters and publicity hounds pull stunts like this. You’re only hurting your own cause. Then again, I don’t give the lot of them much credit for rational thought in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![Habeed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a587f6/32.png) [@Habeed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Habeed)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2014, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc-collapse-need-airtight-answer-please/680226/118 "2014-02-03T18:28:16Z")
You know, I have an idea that just might work… Are there other buildings left in the world that were built the same way as the WTC towers? The conspiracy theorists and the debunkers could get together and conduct a controlled experiment. They would hijack an airliner, install some kind of remote control system in midflight and land the plane and quietly remove all the passengers (per the conspiracy). They would then send it crashing into whatever building is a stand-in for the WTC. Dozens of high speed cameras would be set up everywhere. If the building collapses like the WTC towers did, we’ve debunked the conspiracy! ---
**Author:** ![Musicat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/musicat/32/20189_2.png) [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2014, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc-collapse-need-airtight-answer-please/680226/119 "2014-02-03T18:46:09Z")
> [@Habeed](#): > > If the building collapses like the WTC towers did, we’ve debunked the conspiracy! You are _so_ naïve. You really think that would stop the truthers? ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2014, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc-collapse-need-airtight-answer-please/680226/120 "2014-02-03T19:02:22Z")
> [@Habeed](#): > > Are there other buildings left in the world that were built the same way as the WTC towers? Not really, no. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc-collapse-need-airtight-answer-please/680226.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc-collapse-need-airtight-answer-please/680226.md?page=7)