Oh God, you wouldn’t be doing it to satisfy the CTers. You are right, that is pointless. If it was possible to do at a reasonable cost, though, it would make an excellent experiment and might give insight into how to design structures in such a way as to survive incidents like this.
Just wondering… isn’t the official story something of a conspiracy theory?
The attack was a conspiracy, yes. Conspiracy Theory means something more specific.
To expand on Marley23’s answer, it’s an idiomatic expression, a phrase whose meaning can’t be determined entirely from the meanings of the words it’s composed of. English has a lot of them.
Oh, come on… :rolleyes:
That’s not what I meant and, both of you know it. Yet, you chose to go off tangent into an unnecessary and condescending lecture on English language.
How patently ridiculous.
What did you mean, then?
I meant that there are lot of people, who looked carefully at the course of events and evidence gathered, as documented in the Official Report, and they are making a case that the strength of evidence – especially the ones used to identify terrorists (e.g. their general characteristics or, of what they were like and, their specific attributes as they relate to ability and skill) is weak.
Add to that strange behavior and whereabouts of these individuals and one could argue that due to insufficient evidence the whole official report is one solid Conspiracy Theory.
The only difference between the CT’s debated all over the world and Internet is that this one has a seal of US Government and thus overrides any other.
Got it. You’re just another CTer who thinks that implying things that you heard from others with no actual knowledge of the situation makes you sound “wise”.
Stand in line.
That and the mountains of physical evidence, you mean.
After all this time you would think they would learn that a raised eyebrow and a “I know something you don’t know” look just doesn’t work on the internet.
When did “some people are asking questions” come to mean “it has been definitively proven wrong”?
Since anyone who can manage to put up a website full of flashing lights and exclamation points is considered to be a “Voice Of Underground Authority” by those who are dim enough to be impressed by such things.
You speak of the “Official Report” as if there had been exactly one study put together by a single source and distributed to the world with a “This is the Truth and ye shall believe it or else” sticker on the front, rather than there being a consensus theory of what happened based on dozens of studies by thousands of people around the world, eyewitness testimony, police investigation here and abroad, and let’s not forget Osama bin Laden’s videotaped confession.
And there are a lot more people who looked carefully at the course of events and evidence gathered, as documented in the Official Report, and understand what happened. A large object full of fuel hits a building doing substantial damage to it structurally and igniting a fire that can’t be put out because the water riser was damaged upon impact. The weakened steel structure eventually failed causing a million lbs of mass to move 12 feet which was too much force for the structure to handle. It’s jack-hammered into the ground. guess how a jackhammer works? It takes the weight of the device and applies it repeatedly against a solid object until it’s destroyed.
The problem with your posts is that you’re not making any kind of case. Short of driving a 767 into your house it’s hard to explain the obvious to you.
It’s always surprising that none of the CTers ever see what the most obvious conspiracy could be: That one or more US intelligence agencies were informed of a potential attack and simply ignored it due to the fact that it sounded so improbable.
The “conspiracy” would then be covering people’s collectives asses by pretending that they didn’t have any foreknowledge of the event and making reports detailing anything about that fact “disappear.” That would be more probable than pre-planted demolition explosives and planes being shot down with no evidence of either having occurred.
Yeah, false equivalency fallacy. You might want to look that up.
More probable? Nope. Just as loony as the rest. The number of people involved in intelligence collecting and processing is not negligible and thus the same objections apply.
“Just as loony?”
Really?
Sooo…if someone was given hard data about the attack and threw it into the “I’m just going to ignore this file” you believe that they wouldn’t try to CYA when what they blew off actually did occur?
Seriously, what planet do you live on and is there routine service to get there? People aren’t going to serve themselves up to Congress and the media when it would simply be easier and safer career-wise to throw away a file, have a quiet talk with a few assets and pretend that you aren’t part of the biggest intelligence f*ckup in American history.
I’m aware of how intelligence “works.” Most of it is “magic rock scenarios” where people take credit for things not occurring as proof that they are doing their job. If someone was given actionable intelligence and simply discarded it as being highly improbable, that would be a relatively easy thing to coverup as most f*ckups usually are.
Loony?
Yeah right…
It would be easy if it were just one guy who saw the evidence. But then, “just one guy” doesn’t make a conspiracy.
Why can’t their be a conspiracy of one?
Sooo…when individuals do something wrong and then cover it up, that’s not a conspiracy?
Maybe it could be several guys.
Or it could be an entire section of an agency.
Failing to report that you had actionable information on something on the scale of 9/11 would mean that you’d have to pack your toys up and go home. No book deal when you retire. No cushy high-paying consulting job either.
And that’s after a public excoriation where your entire career is picked apart and where you and your team would have every single mistake that you collectively have ever made (well, the ones which they can find information about) scrutinized by the White House, Congress, the DoD, the media,etc,. All of the blame would pinned upon you and your group by higher ups who either won’t take the fall themselves or need somebody to break their fall if they go down.
Yeah…most people aren’t going to admit that they were the ones “who stole the cookies from the cookie jar” in this case when they know that telling the truth won’t be the catharsis that everyone claims that it is.