# WTC **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 30, 2001, 9:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc/84618 "2001-09-30T09:09:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2001, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc/84618/21 "2001-10-01T23:36:26Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by hawthorne \* > 4. You are incoherent with rage. My guess is that other times you are incoherent without rage. \*\* goddammit, thats funny! ---
**Author:** ![Kayeby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9de0a6/32.png) [@Kayeby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kayeby)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2001, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc/84618/22 "2001-10-02T00:11:05Z")
Hmmmm … misogynist _and_ a fruitcake. I bet you get invited to parties heaps. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2001, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc/84618/23 "2001-10-02T00:20:09Z")
FTR: In Islam, “infidels” actually does not include Jews or Christian (nor Buddhists and Hindus, IIRC), these being “People of the Book.” ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2001, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc/84618/24 "2001-10-02T05:32:43Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Monty \* > FTR: In Islam, “infidels” actually does not include Jews or Christian (nor Buddhists and Hindus, IIRC), these being “People of the Book.” Actually that’s probably incorrect. According to Bernard Lewis ( a respected historian and author of, among other works, The Political Language of Islam and The Muslim Discovery of Europe), the term ‘infidel’ ( _kafir_, plural = _kuffar_ ) is the term of ultimate exclusion from the Islamic community. ALL non-Muslims are infidels by definition. But you’re quite correct that Christians and Jews ( as well as Zoroastrians ) are considered “People of the Book” and have protected status as _ahl al-dhimmah_ ( plural = _dhimmi_ ), which roughly means “protected peoples”. To best of my knowledge, this status is NOT extended to Buddhists and Hindus, though there may have been some individual exceptions here and there. Perhaps someone like the Mughal Padishah, Akbar the Great ( r. 1556-1605 ) who was known for his religious tolerance and curiosity might have held views of that sort ( I’m really not sure ), but most Islamic jurists probably did not. Which doesn’t mean that Islam automatically decreed their persecution, either. But they ( Buddhists and Hindus ) weren’t afforded that extra layer of protection that the _ahl al-dhimmah_ had. - Tamerlane {Note: fixed coding at poster’s request. Lynn} [Edited by Lynn Bodoni on 10-02-2001 at 02:39 AM] ---
**Author:** ![pennylane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@pennylane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pennylane)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2001, 11:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc/84618/25 "2001-10-02T11:17:37Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by JamesCarroll \* > **the human race is barbarian by nature.** Well then you can’t blame religion, especially as the two religions to which you referred both teach their followers to live in peace and harmony. In fact, it is people like you who make that impossible. I can just picture your counterpart in Afghanistan, beard wagging in the air, decrying the terrorist activities perpetrated by America and declaring that the whole country should be wiped out in order to purge the world of evil. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2001, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc/84618/26 "2001-10-02T13:49:11Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by manhattan \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by JamesCarroll \* > > \*\* we must eradicate not only the mad men but everything they hold dear; whether that be buildings, men, women, or children. \*\* > > For the record, I oppose bombing the terrorists’ former homes in Patterson, New Jersey. > > Do you? \*\* They were from New Jersey? I was of the understanding that the terrorists mostly hailed from Third World nations where the infrastructure was mostly destroyed, poverty and crime were rampant, and bombing would simply add to the heaps of rubble. Thanks for confirming I was right! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2001, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc/84618/27 "2001-10-02T14:15:14Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by manhattan \* > **For the record, I oppose bombing the terrorists’ former homes in Patterson, New Jersey.** What a pussy Liberal! By saying that you are giving comfort to the enemy. As I have been saying all along, the only **patriotic** reaction to this is to bomb not just Patterson but the ENTIRE STATE of New Jersey as well as all of Florida and Canada and everyplace else that harbors terrorists right back to the Stone Age. Invading them would be easier, too, because the roads are pretty good. Yeah, it can get crowded on the New Jersey Turnpike, but a Honda Civic is a speed bump to an Abrahms tank. And screw the tolls! By the time the USofA is done with New Jersey it won’t have a government to collect the tolls! That’s how a MAN would do it. The rest of you are wimps. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc/84618.md?page=1)