# WTC7 collapse, new numerical results **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 11, 2019, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc7-collapse-new-numerical-results/840064 "2019-09-11T19:35:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![Sparky812](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eb9ed0/32.png) [@Sparky812](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sparky812)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2019, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc7-collapse-new-numerical-results/840064/341 "2019-09-19T02:11:18Z")
> [@split\_p\_j](#): > > I don’t want to be an ass, but wake up. We are about to go to war Iran, for no real reason. Millions died in the wars after this 911 BS. Whoa, hold on! MILLIONS died in the wars after this 911 BS? Multiple millions? You got a cite for that? No? It’s pretty easy… [here you go](https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/files/cow/imce/papers/2018/Human%20Costs%2C%20Nov%208%202018%20CoW.pdf) > [@](#): > > All told, between 480,000 and 507,000 people have been killed in the United States’ post-9/11 wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan. This tally of the counts and estimates of direct deaths caused by war violence does not include the more than 500,000 deaths from the war in Syria, raging since 2011, which the US joined in August 2014. > [@split\_p\_j](#): > > I am listening, and all I see is the typical slander of comparing me to the moon landing and JFK. I’m not a tin foil hatter, or a troll. I’ve been posting on this board for over 7 years, and have been a lurker before that. I am much older than you may think and not manipulated by anyone. I have made and continue to make my own destiny. So if I think you are 12 I’d be off by what … 3-4 years? I don’t think anyone who graduated High School or attended college or university could be so ignorant. FYI, being educated by people more knowledgeable, smarter and wiser is not being manipulated. There’s nothing worse than people who insist that they make up their own rules, opinions, theories, or “destiny” and won’t be swayed by things like empirical evidence, science, or facts. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2019, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc7-collapse-new-numerical-results/840064/342 "2019-09-19T04:37:39Z")
> [@split\_p\_j](#): > > I am listening, and all I see is the typical slander of comparing me to the moon landing and JFK. It’s in text so it would be libel. If it was false. And it isn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2019, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc7-collapse-new-numerical-results/840064/343 "2019-09-19T16:33:26Z")
Man I thought for SURE I would wake up today and find the calculations of the speed of falling debris. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2019, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc7-collapse-new-numerical-results/840064/344 "2019-09-19T16:42:47Z")
V(ejected)=“near free fall” QED ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2019, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc7-collapse-new-numerical-results/840064/345 "2019-09-19T19:13:38Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > V(ejected)=“near free fall” > > QED Actually, it seems he thinks it’s V(ejected)=“faster than free fall” And QED should probably be something like “LOL Sheeple!” ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2019, 9:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc7-collapse-new-numerical-results/840064/346 "2019-09-20T09:27:59Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Man I thought for SURE I would wake up today and find the calculations of the speed of falling debris. You must remember to factor in any debris being carried by swallows. Not sure what kind of swallows they have in New York, but - those. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2019, 10:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc7-collapse-new-numerical-results/840064/347 "2019-09-20T10:59:53Z")
> [@XT](#): > > No, sorry…I know it to not be true. I know YOU think it’s true, and it’s clear why. You don’t really have a good grasp of even the basics here. That’s fine…as I’ve said before, no reason why you should. But know that you are being manipulated by folks who either ALSO don’t know or understand the basics, or count on the fact that you don’t understand enough to know why what they are saying is a load of horseshit. It’s really the reason why most CT’s have folks who believe them. No different than the Moon Landing hoax ones, or the multiple gunmen for the JFK assassination or any number of CTs out there. Hell, you don’t even have to feel bad. I fell for an actual, real life CT. I think, now, that the run up to the Iraqi invasion and all the ‘evidence’ presented was carefully crafted to fool folks just like me, who THINK they know more than they do or did about Iraq and WMD. And there are tons of 'dopers here on the board who DID know and beat their heads against the wall trying to convince us idiots that what we were being told was horseshit. Eventually, I came around…the evidence was basically overwhelming, and even someone as stubborn as I am can eventually see the light. 😛 Perhaps, if you actually have an open mind and actually listen to what folks are trying to tell you, this will happen to you as well and you’ll see how silly you’ve been and how full of shit this whole 9/11 CT is. And you’ll see who is ACTUALLY manipulating you on this. It isn’t the government. Just wanted to commend XT on this admirable post. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2019, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc7-collapse-new-numerical-results/840064/348 "2019-09-20T12:35:34Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Man I thought for SURE I would wake up today and find the calculations of the speed of falling debris. If it helps, the Twin Towers were 417m and 415.1m tall ([cite](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center_(1973%E2%80%932001))). Acceleration due to gravity is 9.8 meters per second squared. [The formula to calculate the time required to fall a distance](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equations_for_a_falling_body) is the square root of twice the distance in meters divided by 9.8 m/s[sup]2[/sup]. Plugging in the numbers gives the square root of 2\*415/9.8, or 9.2. So we would expect debris falling from the top of the Towers to hit the ground in about nine seconds or a little more. I am sure this proves 9/11 was an inside job in some way, but not how. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2019, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc7-collapse-new-numerical-results/840064/349 "2019-09-20T12:53:34Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > If it helps, the Twin Towers were 417m and 415.1m tall ([cite](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center_(1973%E2%80%932001))). Acceleration due to gravity is 9.8 meters per second squared. [The formula to calculate the time required to fall a distance](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equations_for_a_falling_body) is the square root of twice the distance in meters divided by 9.8 m/s[sup]2[/sup]. Plugging in the numbers gives the square root of 2\*415/9.8, or 9.2. So we would expect debris falling from the top of the Towers to hit the ground in about nine seconds or a little more. > > I am sure this proves 9/11 was an inside job in some way, but not how. > > Regards, > Shodan Hey, welcome back! Also, I wanted **split p&j** to do it! ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2019, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc7-collapse-new-numerical-results/840064/350 "2019-09-20T13:33:03Z")
Thanks. Maybe he can explain how the debris fell faster, because it was ejected downward, or slower, and I am not sure what that would prove. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2019, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc7-collapse-new-numerical-results/840064/351 "2019-09-20T13:48:18Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Thanks. Maybe he can explain how the debris fell faster, because it was ejected downward, or slower, and I am not sure what that would prove. > > Regards, > Shodan “Proof” isn’t the objective of Truther CTs. Spreading disinformation and ignorance in a general population in order to seed mistrust of otherwise reliable, non-political, institutions is the objective. At least among those who peddle them. Because they know the P.T. Barnum hypothesis is reliably accurate, and can be monetized. ---
**Author:** ![Patch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a183cd/32.png) [@Patch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Patch)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2019, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc7-collapse-new-numerical-results/840064/352 "2019-09-20T15:31:03Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Man I thought for SURE I would wake up today and find the calculations of the speed of falling debris. The only numbers **split p&j** seems able to provide are the time/data stamps of his posts. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2019, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc7-collapse-new-numerical-results/840064/353 "2019-09-20T16:47:16Z")
Let’s keep the personal shots under control, please. ---
**Author:** ![LAZombie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b38774/32.png) [@LAZombie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LAZombie)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2019, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc7-collapse-new-numerical-results/840064/354 "2019-09-27T15:08:12Z")
Ph.D. Structural Engineer Ibrahim Soudy: “$10,000 to Anyone Who Can Refute New U. of Alaska WTC-7 Study” > **[Ph.D. Structural Engineer Ibrahim Soudy: “$10,000 to Anyone Who Can Refute...](https://www.unz.com/audio/kbarrett_ph-d-structural-engineer-ibrahim-soudy-10000-to-anyone-who-can-refute-new-u-of-alaska-wtc-7-study/)** > > Ibrahim Soudy ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2019, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc7-collapse-new-numerical-results/840064/355 "2019-09-27T15:14:20Z")
> [@LAZombie](#): > > Ph.D. Structural Engineer Ibrahim Soudy: “$10,000 to Anyone Who Can Refute New U. of Alaska WTC-7 Study” > > [PODCAST: Ph.D. Structural Engineer Ibrahim Soudy: “$10,000 to Anyone Who Can Refute New U. of Alaska WTC-7 Study”, by Kevin Barrett / Truth Jihad - The Unz Review](https://www.unz.com/audio/kbarrett_ph-d-structural-engineer-ibrahim-soudy-10000-to-anyone-who-can-refute-new-u-of-alaska-wtc-7-study/) Uhuh. Even if it was worth the while of most engineers, this part would give me pause: > [@](#): > > The question of whether the reward seeker has successfully rebutted the U. of Alaska study will be decided by a panel of qualified judges. So, who exactly are the ‘qualified judges’, and what criteria are they using to judge it? I mean, basically anyone who looks at the paper and thinks, yeah, that definitely shows the ‘official story’ is ‘a pack of lies’ is going to be suspect…yet, I’m fairly confident that this is exactly who the ‘qualified judges’ would be comprised of. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2019, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc7-collapse-new-numerical-results/840064/356 "2019-09-27T15:19:15Z")
> [@XT](#): > > Uhuh. Even if it was worth the while of most engineers, this part would give me pause: > > So, who exactly are the ‘qualified judges’, and what criteria are they using to judge it? I mean, basically anyone who looks at the paper and thinks, yeah, that definitely shows the ‘official story’ is ‘a pack of lies’ is going to be suspect…yet, I’m fairly confident that this is exactly who the ‘qualified judges’ would be comprised of. 😛 Translation: Nobody’s gonna refute 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2019, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc7-collapse-new-numerical-results/840064/357 "2019-09-27T15:22:31Z")
> [@XT](#): > > Uhuh. Even if it was worth the while of most engineers, this part would give me pause: > > So, who exactly are the ‘qualified judges’, and what criteria are they using to judge it? I mean, basically anyone who looks at the paper and thinks, yeah, that definitely shows the ‘official story’ is ‘a pack of lies’ is going to be suspect…yet, I’m fairly confident that this is exactly who the ‘qualified judges’ would be comprised of. 😛 Yep. Every time one of the woo-woos tries to copy James Randi’s Million Dollar Challenge, they put so many thumbs on the scale you can’t even see the scale. There’s no way this offer is in any way objective or honest. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2019, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc7-collapse-new-numerical-results/840064/358 "2019-09-27T15:24:50Z")
_He also announces a $25,000 reward for anyone who writes a technical paper rebutting the study, provides it to an engineering journal, and has it accepted and published._ I’m not aware of how much a structural engineer makes, but I’m guessing the time it takes to do all that would be worth more that 25k. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2019, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc7-collapse-new-numerical-results/840064/359 "2019-09-27T15:25:59Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > Translation: Nobody’s gonna refute 😛 Nope. If you set it up this way, you could basically ‘prove’ anything. You set up a prize that folks can get, but you pick your ‘experts’ and use your own stance to judge the merit of those who are submitting for the prize and Bob’s Your Uncle, no one wins! Which means that you were right all along…lizardmen DO control the world, and there IS no Queen of England! If this guy wanted to be taken seriously, he’d make the prize bigger, and then put it in the hands of a 3rd party agency with respected credentials…maybe one of the respected international civil engineering organizations, to judge based on their own criteria. That won’t happen, as they would almost certainly judge the Alaskan paper to be flawed and certainly not some sort of proof that the ‘official story’ is ‘a pack of lies’. This is only going to be something that one of the faithful would look at seriously as ‘proof’ of, well, anything. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2019, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc7-collapse-new-numerical-results/840064/360 "2019-09-27T15:28:09Z")
> [@LAZombie](#): > > Ph.D. Structural Engineer Ibrahim Soudy: “$10,000 to Anyone Who Can Refute New U. of Alaska WTC-7 Study” > > [PODCAST: Ph.D. Structural Engineer Ibrahim Soudy: “$10,000 to Anyone Who Can Refute New U. of Alaska WTC-7 Study”, by Kevin Barrett / Truth Jihad - The Unz Review](https://www.unz.com/audio/kbarrett_ph-d-structural-engineer-ibrahim-soudy-10000-to-anyone-who-can-refute-new-u-of-alaska-wtc-7-study/) Never get into a mud wrestling contest with a pig. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc7-collapse-new-numerical-results/840064.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc7-collapse-new-numerical-results/840064.md?page=19)