# WTC7 collapse, new numerical results **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 11, 2019, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc7-collapse-new-numerical-results/840064 "2019-09-11T19:35:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![LAZombie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b38774/32.png) [@LAZombie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LAZombie)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2019, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc7-collapse-new-numerical-results/840064/21 "2019-09-11T22:42:25Z")
Explain this: (1) Why did all three buildings collapse symmetrically as in a controlled demolition? (2) Why did all three buildings collapse at free fall rates of speed ? (3) WTC7 wasn’t hit by a plane. Why would normal office furnishings and material cause such a massive structural collapse? (4) Why wasn’t the steel from the structures analyzed for explosives and why was it shipped to China for scrap rather than keeping for it for analysis of a crime beyond the government issued explanation? (5) What were the explosions that many people heard? (6) How could there be molten steel under ruins three months after the collapse? (7) How did the fire get so “bad” in a relatively modern structure that would surely pass code? (8) Why has no other skyscraper collapsed the way these three buildings did? [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/LgYNPaO1rNY/maxresdefault.jpg "The New Pearl Harbor -- Best 911 Documentary - Full Movie") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgYNPaO1rNY) ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2019, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc7-collapse-new-numerical-results/840064/22 "2019-09-11T23:06:10Z")
> [@LAZombie](#): > > Explain this: > > (1) Why did all three buildings collapse symmetrically as in a controlled demolition? > (2) Why did all three buildings collapse at free fall rates of speed ? > (3) WTC7 wasn’t hit by a plane. Why would normal office furnishings and material cause such a massive structural collapse? > (4) Why wasn’t the steel from the structures analyzed for explosives and why was it shipped to China for scrap rather than keeping for it for analysis of a crime beyond the government issued explanation? > (5) What were the explosions that many people heard? > (6) How could there be molten steel under ruins three months after the collapse? > (7) How did the fire get so “bad” in a relatively modern structure that would surely pass code? > (8) Why has no other skyscraper collapsed the way these three buildings did? > > [https://www.youtube.com/watch?time\_continue=13&v=LgYNPaO1rNY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=13&v=LgYNPaO1rNY) Oh boy. All together now…“Here we go again.” ---
**Author:** ![kirkrapine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/7ea924/32.png) [@kirkrapine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kirkrapine)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2019, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc7-collapse-new-numerical-results/840064/23 "2019-09-11T23:13:22Z")
> [@Hermitian](#): > > There does not appear to be a discussion of why there was a global failure. Me? I am going with aliens. Go with them, by all means, and enjoy your anal probe. ---
**Author:** ![kirkrapine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/7ea924/32.png) [@kirkrapine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kirkrapine)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2019, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc7-collapse-new-numerical-results/840064/24 "2019-09-11T23:16:00Z")
Of course, there’s always the [compromise theory](https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/690:_Semicontrolled_Demolition). ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2019, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc7-collapse-new-numerical-results/840064/25 "2019-09-11T23:21:07Z")
> [@LAZombie](#): > > Explain this: > > (1) Why did all three buildings collapse symmetrically as in a controlled demolition? > (2) Why did all three buildings collapse at free fall rates of speed ? > (3) WTC7 wasn’t hit by a plane. Why would normal office furnishings and material cause such a massive structural collapse? > (4) Why wasn’t the steel from the structures analyzed for explosives and why was it shipped to China for scrap rather than keeping for it for analysis of a crime beyond the government issued explanation? > (5) What were the explosions that many people heard? > (6) How could there be molten steel under ruins three months after the collapse? > (7) How did the fire get so “bad” in a relatively modern structure that would surely pass code? > (8) Why has no other skyscraper collapsed the way these three buildings did? > > [https://www.youtube.com/watch?time\_continue=13&v=LgYNPaO1rNY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=13&v=LgYNPaO1rNY) Jig is up, guys; He’s on to us! Quickly now, everybody back to HQ-A51 for decontamination and departure. Leave the illudium Q-36 explosive space modulator – take the cannoli. ---
**Author:** ![Willcross](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b2d939/32.png) [@Willcross](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Willcross)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2019, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc7-collapse-new-numerical-results/840064/26 "2019-09-11T23:45:01Z")
I’ve often wondered what the government would have done had the buildings not collapsed. Imagine if the two towers were just looming over NYC dangerously unstable yet refused to fall. You would have to evacuate all of Manhattan indefinitely. I struggle to think how you would even dismantle them? Certainly not safely anyway. ---
**Author:** ![LAZombie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b38774/32.png) [@LAZombie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LAZombie)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2019, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc7-collapse-new-numerical-results/840064/27 "2019-09-11T23:57:09Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Jig is up, guys; He’s on to us! Quickly now, everybody back to HQ-A51 for decontamination and departure. > > Leave the illudium Q-36 explosive space modulator – take the cannoli. Instead of sarcasm, why not answer question one? I thought this was a forum for intellectual debate. No? I always accepted until the official government narrative until seeing several videos arguing something different. I’m open minded. Set me straight. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2019, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc7-collapse-new-numerical-results/840064/28 "2019-09-11T23:58:35Z")
> [@Willcross](#): > > I’ve often wondered what the government would have done had the buildings not collapsed. Imagine if the two towers were just looming over NYC dangerously unstable yet refused to fall. You would have to evacuate all of Manhattan indefinitely. > > I struggle to think how you would even dismantle them? Certainly not safely anyway. [This Cecil Adams column](https://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/9307/whats-the-life-span-of-a-skyscraper/) mentions some methods that could be used to deconstruct a skyscraper, although I don’t think the usual methods would be possible if the buildings were not intact. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc7-collapse-new-numerical-results/840064/29 "2019-09-12T00:01:10Z")
> [@LAZombie](#): > > Instead of sarcasm, why not answer question one? I thought this was a forum for intellectual debate. No? > > I always accepted until the official government narrative until seeing several videos arguing something different. I’m open minded. Set me straight. > **[9/11](https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/9/11)** > > On September 11, 2001, the Islamist terrorist organization al-Qaeda, led by Osama bin Laden, executed a plan in which a group of nineteen men,\[note 1\] mainly from Saudi Arabia, hijacked four passenger airplanes to crash two into the Twin Towers of... ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc7-collapse-new-numerical-results/840064/30 "2019-09-12T00:05:32Z")
> [@LAZombie](#): > > Explain this: > > (1) Why did all three buildings collapse symmetrically as in a controlled demolition? > (2) Why did all three buildings collapse at free fall rates of speed ? > (3) WTC7 wasn’t hit by a plane. Why would normal office furnishings and material cause such a massive structural collapse? > (4) Why wasn’t the steel from the structures analyzed for explosives and why was it shipped to China for scrap rather than keeping for it for analysis of a crime beyond the government issued explanation? > (5) What were the explosions that many people heard? > (6) How could there be molten steel under ruins three months after the collapse? > (7) How did the fire get so “bad” in a relatively modern structure that would surely pass code? > (8) Why has no other skyscraper collapsed the way these three buildings did? > > [https://www.youtube.com/watch?time\_continue=13&v=LgYNPaO1rNY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=13&v=LgYNPaO1rNY) Been there, done that, got the t-shirt, saw the movie, read the novelization of the movie, got the action figures, got a complete set of the collector cards, ate the cereal, played the card game, played the video game, got the bobblehead, tried the beer, read the blog, watched the vlog, saw the music video and gave at the office. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc7-collapse-new-numerical-results/840064/31 "2019-09-12T00:07:39Z")
> [@LAZombie](#): > > Explain this: > > (1) Why did all three buildings collapse symmetrically as in a controlled demolition? > (2) Why did all three buildings collapse at free fall rates of speed ? > (3) WTC7 wasn’t hit by a plane. Why would normal office furnishings and material cause such a massive structural collapse? > (4) Why wasn’t the steel from the structures analyzed for explosives and why was it shipped to China for scrap rather than keeping for it for analysis of a crime beyond the government issued explanation? > (5) What were the explosions that many people heard? > (6) How could there be molten steel under ruins three months after the collapse? > (7) How did the fire get so “bad” in a relatively modern structure that would surely pass code? > (8) Why has no other skyscraper collapsed the way these three buildings did? > > [https://www.youtube.com/watch?time\_continue=13&v=LgYNPaO1rNY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=13&v=LgYNPaO1rNY) (1) They didn’t. (2) Gravity. (3) WTC7 got hit by a very large chunk of WTC1. (4) If the steel was immediately sent to China, what was all that metal at the Fresh Kills landfill for nearly a decade? (5) The survivors from Stairwell B in WTC1 reported only hearing the tower collapsing above them, no mention of any explosions. (6) There is no reliable source for molten anything, certainly not steel. Images supposedly showing molten anything have either been misinterpreted or outright doctored. (7) Being property of the Port Authority, all seven buildings were exempt from codes. (8) No other buildings utilizing the exact same construction as the original World Trade Center complex have been struck by airliners. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc7-collapse-new-numerical-results/840064/32 "2019-09-12T00:09:15Z")
> [@LAZombie](#): > > Explain this: Faulty assumptions based on bad information. That was easy. ---
**Author:** ![beowulff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beowulff/32/542_2.png) [@beowulff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beowulff)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc7-collapse-new-numerical-results/840064/33 "2019-09-12T00:12:51Z")
> [@Willcross](#): > > I’ve often wondered what the government would have done had the buildings not collapsed. Imagine if the two towers were just looming over NYC dangerously unstable yet refused to fall. You would have to evacuate all of Manhattan indefinitely. > > I struggle to think how you would even dismantle them? Certainly not safely anyway. Well, no. Even if they didn’t fall, you’d only have to evacuate the Lower Manhattan area - the WTC buildings aren’t going to crush the Empire State Building if they fell… ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc7-collapse-new-numerical-results/840064/34 "2019-09-12T00:18:27Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > Let’s sidestep the physics and math for a moment. One issue 9/11 Truthers have never answered is why the U.S. government (or whoever was nefarious enough to rig this thing) would \*\*\*want \*\*\*to knock down WTC7. What does knocking down the relatively-obscure, little-known building called WTC7 get them that knocking down the two big Twin Towers alone didn’t? Supposedly because that’s where their “let’s demolish the WTC” HQ was. Never mind the fact that it would have been simpler to toss all the “evidence” into one of these truck-sized industrial shredders. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc7-collapse-new-numerical-results/840064/35 "2019-09-12T00:54:46Z")
> [@CurtC](#): > > I would hope that the structural physics world would look into it and then see if it still stands. I thought that the whole point of the discussion is that WTC 7 isn’t still standing. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![l0k1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/bb73d2/32.png) [@l0k1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/l0k1)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc7-collapse-new-numerical-results/840064/36 "2019-09-12T01:04:40Z")
We have a building here in Baltimore called The World Trade Center. It’s the world’s tallest pentagonal building. In front of it there is a very large chunk of steel from that other Wolrd Trade Center. It’s a memorial, but maybe you could come here and test the steel for government agents. I haven’t looked into it, but I wouldn’t be surprised if other cities also had big chunks, I’d also be surprised if none of the scrap ended up at Sparrows Point, which is close to Canton, but far from China. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc7-collapse-new-numerical-results/840064/37 "2019-09-12T01:09:30Z")
The real question is why did the government want to destroy an [abandoned high rise in Brazil](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwoBRHDLxdo), a small flat of [apartments in Mexico city](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhxCevJZcck) (using a convenient earthquake to cover their crimes). ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc7-collapse-new-numerical-results/840064/38 "2019-09-12T01:10:10Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Been there, done that, got the t-shirt, saw the movie, read the novelization of the movie, got the action figures, got a complete set of the collector cards, ate the cereal, played the card game, played the video game, got the bobblehead, tried the beer, read the blog, watched the vlog, saw the music video and gave at the office. You don’t have the coffee mug or the commemorative condoms? ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc7-collapse-new-numerical-results/840064/39 "2019-09-12T01:16:30Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > You don’t have the coffee mug or the commemorative condoms? The mug fell at freefall speeds and the condoms were were burned up by the thermite straps. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc7-collapse-new-numerical-results/840064/40 "2019-09-12T01:30:12Z")
> [@LAZombie](#): > > Explain this: Answer this: What became of the airplanes that took off that morning and never landed safely? What became of the people who were on those planes? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc7-collapse-new-numerical-results/840064.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtc7-collapse-new-numerical-results/840064.md?page=3)