I’m not. The top should not have fell at nearly free fall speed. If you look at the videos you can clearly see everything was still attached.
That’s only the first problem. Second if the top passed that there was no way it could have done that kind of damage. A fall of that mass, accelerated only by Earth’s gravity, there is no way the columns could have been thrown out to the side at those speeds.
Really the whole thing should have stopped right there, or the top section should have fallen over.
One of you are saying it fell too fast, the other saying it fell too slow. Its almost like the common factor is the desire to find something off. Anyway, can you work that out among yourselves? I am sure the maths and physics of the discussion will be interesting.
Well, thats an interesting statement. Show me the work please. The maths.
I think you have no idea of the force applied by that mass under the acceleration of gravity, or the materials strength of concrete.
Honestly, you don’t seem to be arguing on the basis of any science, engineering or physics, but on the basis of the intuitive feel you’ve developed based on how things work on your scale, and on movie special effects. Which I believe are intended to look the way people are expecting them to look, rather than how things actually would look.
You are wrong, and simply incapable of learning form having that pointed out to you.
No, sorry…I know it to not be true. I know YOU think it’s true, and it’s clear why. You don’t really have a good grasp of even the basics here. That’s fine…as I’ve said before, no reason why you should. But know that you are being manipulated by folks who either ALSO don’t know or understand the basics, or count on the fact that you don’t understand enough to know why what they are saying is a load of horseshit. It’s really the reason why most CT’s have folks who believe them. No different than the Moon Landing hoax ones, or the multiple gunmen for the JFK assassination or any number of CTs out there. Hell, you don’t even have to feel bad. I fell for an actual, real life CT. I think, now, that the run up to the Iraqi invasion and all the ‘evidence’ presented was carefully crafted to fool folks just like me, who THINK they know more than they do or did about Iraq and WMD. And there are tons of 'dopers here on the board who DID know and beat their heads against the wall trying to convince us idiots that what we were being told was horseshit. Eventually, I came around…the evidence was basically overwhelming, and even someone as stubborn as I am can eventually see the light. Perhaps, if you actually have an open mind and actually listen to what folks are trying to tell you, this will happen to you as well and you’ll see how silly you’ve been and how full of shit this whole 9/11 CT is. And you’ll see who is ACTUALLY manipulating you on this. It isn’t the government.
I am listening, and all I see is the typical slander of comparing me to the moon landing and JFK. I’m not a tin foil hatter, or a troll. I’ve been posting on this board for over 7 years, and have been a lurker before that. I am much older than you may think and not manipulated by anyone. I have made and continue to make my own destiny.
CT’ers appear to have a lot vested in their beliefs. Much more than one would think is warranted. It’s like a religion in some ways. Gives them a sense of belonging and comfort that admitting to not knowing, or not understanding, doesn’t quite provide.
In a complicated world where facts are often linked to the randomness and uncertainty of events and existence, it’s hard to simply accept that complex & awful things happen, and they are not made better by imagining some alternative, counterfactual reality where they are “in on the joke”.
An analysis based on science and engineering and facts *does *beat one that comes from YouTube and handwaving and is not even understood by its own supporters.
This shows how little you understand about science.
We are fortunate to have among us actual engineers, scientists, doctors, lawyers and various other learned individuals. From time to time, an actual rocket scientist drops in.
I suspect that if any of them thought that the NIST findings were suspect, they’d have spoken up about it and presented evidence to the contrary. Thus far, no notable dissent.
Now, I’d like you to consider the following:
What is in it for various scientists and engineers to lie about something they could otherwise debunk? Are they all in on the conspiracy as well? If so, how large do you imagine this conspiracy to be? What is keeping them from busting it wide open by writing a book that would make them very rich and famous?
Those who disagree with NIST have yet to present anything other than theories, hearsay, opinions, conjecture, and/or half-truths. None of which should ever be confused with actual evidence.
I read a book from the library, published in early 2001, that was a compilation of CT articles. The last was one that said that Osama bin Laden had nothing to do with the first WTC bombing, and was no danger to anyone.
Perhaps Truthers are CTers who can’t stand to have been proven so fucking wrong, and will invent any shit to make them right.
They should wonder why many of us who have no love for the Bush administration still think the powers in charge on 9/11 had nothing to do with it. Except of course not paying enough attention to warnings.
There are actually plenty of other sources besides NIST. NIST is just the most prominent and most thorough.
There are other sources and engineering reports. Many of them differ slightly, one of them was shown to be incorrect in the collapse method (FEMA), some of them were from engineers in other countries, countries not automatically friendly to the US.
None of them, with the exception of a few cranks, note anything fishy about the collapse. The tiny handful that do were not reviewed, or have been shown to massively flawed (such as the OP’s WTC7 ‘report’).
So far you have not made any cites.
NIST is not a religion. It is an organization of engineers, architects, and scientists who made a massive study of the collapse in intense detail. They made their report and showed it for public review. A handful of corrections were made during that review, but none of them were of any benefit to the truthers. If there were issues of note they would have been addressed. They repeated this with WTC7.
Since before and after NIST, truthers have been trying to poke holes in what they call the ‘official story’ and have fallen flat on every point they try to make.
In short, 99.99% of the people who build the buildings you live and work have very few to no qualms about reports such as NIST. Your rejection of NIST is not a reflection on them, it says everything about you. In short, your ego is more important than their expertise.
Perhaps, if you actually have an open mind and actually listen to what folks are trying to tell you, this will happen to you as well and you’ll see how silly you’ve been and how full of shit this whole 9/11 CT is. And you’ll see who is ACTUALLY manipulating you on this. It isn’t the government.