# WTF? A fucking PIG in heels! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 16, 2006, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-a-fucking-pig-in-heels/368963 "2006-08-16T16:17:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Mouse\_Maven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ac91a4/32.png) [@Mouse\_Maven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mouse_Maven)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2006, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-a-fucking-pig-in-heels/368963/1 "2006-08-16T16:17:48Z")
For the record, I hate, loath and despise 'Men’s" and “Women’s” magazines. Cosmo, Glamor, FHM and Stuff, all these rags can just rot on the selves. ( I have a little game I play at the news stand: Look at the Men’s mags teaser titles, then look at the women’s. They tend to complement each other. “How to get her to do your naked bidding in bed.” vs. “How to find out what he _really_ wants”) Details gets special little corner of Hell, and my first Pit post. They had an [article](http://men.style.com/details/features/landing?&id=content_4622) on “Why Fat is back in Hollywood.” The article has a pig in heels. Fucking Hell! Any woman over a size zero must be a porker. :rolleyes: The author described[Scarlett Johansson](http://imdb.com/gallery/granitz/5024/Events/5024/ScarlettJo_Devan_9626303_400.jpg?path=pgallery&path_key=Johansson,%20Scarlett) as “lush.” Does this woman look obese to you? Does she deserve to be connected the image of a farm animal in drag? Fuck you Details! Your article and your slide show of “the sexiest plate-scrapers ever” are a spit in the face of millions of women. ---
**Author:** ![Kalhoun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3bc359/32.png) [@Kalhoun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kalhoun)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2006, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-a-fucking-pig-in-heels/368963/2 "2006-08-16T16:39:05Z")
Without having seen the magazine, it sounds like they’re just trying to say the tide is turning. Johannson is a completely different body style than what has been popular for the last five years or so. I’ll bet she easily outweighs other actresses of her height and bone structure by 20-30 lbs. I think the pig was just a humorous attempt at illustrating that. Not a statement to say she’s fat. I can relate. I’ve gained 30 lbs and have only gone up from a size 0 to a size 2. While I look completely different, no one would consider me “fat.” ---
**Author:** ![Mouse\_Maven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ac91a4/32.png) [@Mouse\_Maven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mouse_Maven)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2006, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-a-fucking-pig-in-heels/368963/3 "2006-08-16T16:51:17Z")
> [@Kalhoun](#): > > Without having seen the magazine, it sounds like they’re just trying to say the tide is turning. Johannson is a completely different body style than what has been popular for the last five years or so. I’ll bet she easily outweighs other actresses of her height and bone structure by 20-30 lbs. I think the pig was just a humorous attempt at illustrating that. Not a statement to say she’s fat. I can relate. I’ve gained 30 lbs and have only gone up from a size 0 to a size 2. While I look completely different, no one would consider me “fat.” You have a good point. The magazine could have picked an image that is a little less loaded. I’m all for a wider (no pun intended) range of body types in the popular media. Also, I’m a size ten. While I’m not obese by any means, I have heard the “You’d look so much better if you lost 20 pounds” line. Looking at actresses with impossible bodies. Watching my guy friends and spouse salivate over these women. It gets very, very old. The magazine seems to be re-enforcing the “slim is in” line with their picture while supporting “curvy” women. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2006, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-a-fucking-pig-in-heels/368963/4 "2006-08-16T17:06:35Z")
Plenty of magazine nowdays try to make a nod to curvy women, and try to make it appear as if they’re really not obsessed only with the size 0 women of the world. Problem is, for most of these idiotic publications, their idea of what constitutes curvy tends to stop at about size 2, maybe a 4. What’s even more amusing (if by amusing, you mean hypocritical and moronic) is that they then have the gall to publish “shock! horror!” stories about how skinny Nicole Richie or that Olsen twin is. As if the magaziones’ constant obsession with thinness has absolutely nothing to do with women’s body image. ---
**Author:** ![Mtgman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5a626/32.png) [@Mtgman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mtgman)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2006, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-a-fucking-pig-in-heels/368963/5 "2006-08-16T17:13:14Z")
There seems to be a disconnect between the content of the article and the image and headline associated with it. The article does not deride “curvy” or “lush” women, and seems to positively note their increase in prominence recently. They also quote Mae West and refer to her positively as a sex symbol. I’m thinking we may have a case where an editor skimmed an article and assigned an inappropriate headline/picture to go along with it. In magazine houses the headlines and photos are selected for maximum impact, not absolutely accurate reflections of the article content. I think the most famous was the article which launched the Y2K scare. The author had not raised the spectre of airplanes falling out of the sky, or massive food shortages, but the editor sensationalized the article and headline. The author acknowledged the far-flung _possibility_ of such things, and the editor ran with it. Enjoy, Steven ---
**Author:** ![Mouse\_Maven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ac91a4/32.png) [@Mouse\_Maven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mouse_Maven)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2006, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-a-fucking-pig-in-heels/368963/6 "2006-08-16T17:16:46Z")
> [@Mtgman](#): > > There seems to be a disconnect between the content of the article and the image and headline associated with it. The article does not deride “curvy” or “lush” women, and seems to positively note their increase in prominence recently. They also quote Mae West and refer to her positively as a sex symbol. > > I’m thinking we may have a case where an editor skimmed an article and assigned an inappropriate headline/picture to go along with it. In magazine houses the headlines and photos are selected for maximum impact, not absolutely accurate reflections of the article content. So, should I curse the editor for the “the sexiest plate-scrapers ever” slide show? Thank for the info **Mtgman**. 🙂 I didn’t realize that the publication process was broken up like that. (I work in bio-med research. When we submit something for publication, we provide our own images.) ---
**Author:** ![Eve](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Eve](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eve)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2006, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-a-fucking-pig-in-heels/368963/7 "2006-08-16T17:29:13Z")
Yep, I was in the mag-biz for 20-some years, and every five years or so they’ll all do stories on how it’s _OK_ to be a lush, zaftig size 4 instead of a size 2. Then in the next issue they’ll do a story on the obesity epidemic, complete with diet tips. ---
**Author:** ![Ghanima](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Ghanima](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ghanima)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2006, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-a-fucking-pig-in-heels/368963/8 "2006-08-16T17:36:36Z")
Has anyone else noticed that these stupid “baby bump” pictures are usually just a picture of someone with a relatively flat stomach with a slight curve. Oh my god!!! An actress with a curve to her belly! She MUST be pregnant! You can’t see her pelvic bones sticking out! ---
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2006, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-a-fucking-pig-in-heels/368963/9 "2006-08-16T19:03:11Z")
[QUOTE=Mouse\_Maven] For the record, I hate, loath and despise 'Men’s" and “Women’s” magazines. Cosmo, Glamor, FHM and Stuff, all these rags can just rot on the selves. ( I have a little game I play at the news stand: Look at the Men’s mags teaser titles, then look at the women’s. They tend to complement each other. “How to get her to do your naked bidding in bed.” vs. “How to find out what he _really_ wants”) Details gets special little corner of Hell, and my first Pit post. They had an [article](http://men.style.com/details/features/landing?&id=content_4622) on “Why Fat is back in Hollywood.” The article has a pig in heels. Fucking Hell! Any woman over a size zero must be a porker. :rolleyes: The author described[Scarlett Johansson](http://imdb.com/gallery/granitz/5024/Events/5024/ScarlettJo_Devan_9626303_400.jpg?path=pgallery&path_key=Johansson,%20Scarlett) as “lush.” Does this woman look obese to you? Does she deserve to be connected the image of a farm animal in drag? Fuck you Details! Your article and your slide show of “the sexiest plate-scrapers ever” are a spit in the face of millions of women. [/QUOTE] Not to be sexist, but I think the decision to go with that pic is 100% female from beginning to end. (see author & photographer) Beyond this Details is a magazine with a large (possibly pre-dominant) contingent of gay male editors, writers & contributors. I don’t think any heterosexual man came within breathing distance of the decisions that went into that article. Blaming hetero men in any way, shape or form for the attitudes & photo for that article is IMO, unfair & mis-leading. bylines & attributions > [@](#): > > By Holly Millea; Photograph by Jill Greenberg ---
**Author:** ![Kalhoun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3bc359/32.png) [@Kalhoun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kalhoun)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2006, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-a-fucking-pig-in-heels/368963/10 "2006-08-16T19:17:22Z")
From where I stand, the problem is both ends of the spectrum. We DO have an obesity problem in this country. And we DO put too much emphasis on being very thin. The average folk in the middle tend to go unnoticed by the media, but it isn’t because we’re inventing the extremes of the spectrum. They’re both very real. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2006, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-a-fucking-pig-in-heels/368963/11 "2006-08-16T20:41:15Z")
[QUOTE=astro] Not to be sexist, but I think the decision to go with that pic is 100% female from beginning to end. (see author & photographer) Beyond this Details is a magazine with a large (possibly pre-dominant) contingent of gay male editors, writers & contributors. I don’t think any heterosexual man came within breathing distance of the decisions that went into that article. Blaming hetero men in any way, shape or form for the attitudes & photo for that article is IMO, unfair & mis-leading. [/QUOTE] Do you have a guilty conscience? Are you a bit paranoid? A bit oversensitive? Or just a bit thick? Not once did the OP blame “hetero men” for these images of women. She blamed the magazines and the people who worked for them, as well as the more general culture that perceives any woman over a size 4 as somehow porky. Just because a woman does it, or a gay man, doesn’t make it any less stupid. And just because a hetero man didn’t make that particular editorial decision doesn’t mean that hetero men are somehow absolved of responsibility for the cult of body image that is so prevalent in American society. By the way, starting off a post with “Not to be sexist, but…” is generally not the best way to demonstrate your lack of sexism. Did you know that some of my best friends are Jews? :rolleyes: [QUOTE=Kalhoun] From where I stand, the problem is both ends of the spectrum. We DO have an obesity problem in this country. And we DO put too much emphasis on being very thin. The average folk in the middle tend to go unnoticed by the media, but it isn’t because we’re inventing the extremes of the spectrum. They’re both very real. [/QUOTE] Absolutely. But we don’t need to make the obesity problem seem worse than it is by implying that women (or men, for that matter) with perfectly healthy physiques are somehow ugly and porky just because they can’t fit into a size 2, or a 28" waist. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2006, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-a-fucking-pig-in-heels/368963/12 "2006-08-17T01:36:09Z")
When I read the thread title, I thought, “Oh, Courtney Love must have another court date.” ---
**Author:** ![CanvasShoes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/74df32/32.png) [@CanvasShoes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CanvasShoes)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2006, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-a-fucking-pig-in-heels/368963/13 "2006-08-17T01:43:35Z")
[QUOTE=Kalhoun] From where I stand, the problem is both ends of the spectrum. **We DO have an obesity problem in this country. And we DO put too much emphasis on being very thin.** The average folk in the middle tend to go unnoticed by the media, but it isn’t because we’re inventing the extremes of the spectrum. They’re both very real. [/QUOTE] Bolding mine. Hmmmm…d’ya think there could possibly be a CONNECTION between the two? The media force feeding women with the idea that body image should equal self image? ---
**Author:** ![Freddy\_the\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a587f6/32.png) [@Freddy\_the\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freddy_the_Pig)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2006, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-a-fucking-pig-in-heels/368963/14 "2006-08-17T02:13:26Z")
That pig in heels is **hot hot hot**! ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2006, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-a-fucking-pig-in-heels/368963/15 "2006-08-17T03:27:43Z")
[QUOTE=Sam Stone] When I read the thread title, I thought, “Oh, Courtney Love must have another court date.” [/QUOTE] Aw, fuck off, **Sam** …what did that cute little piglet do to deserve being compared with Courtney Love?! 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Bobotheoptimist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/919ad9/32.png) [@Bobotheoptimist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bobotheoptimist)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2006, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-a-fucking-pig-in-heels/368963/16 "2006-08-17T03:46:43Z")
[QUOTE=Mouse\_Maven] Also, I’m a size ten. While I’m not obese by any means, I have heard the “You’d look so much better if you lost 20 pounds” line. Looking at actresses with impossible bodies. Watching my guy friends and spouse salivate over these women. It gets very, very old. The magazine seems to be re-enforcing the “slim is in” line with their picture while supporting “curvy” women. :dubious: [/QUOTE] What kind of \ fuckwit tells a lady that she’d look better if she did _something_? That’s just fucking wrong. Tell the wanker to piss off. (single exception - “baby, you’d look better without so many clothes on”) Of course, I’ve NO idea what “size ten” means, and frankly I don’t want to know Second, I drool over scrawny chicks mainly because there are so few scantily clad curvy chicks around. I can’t imagine they’re very cuddly. And they probably are rather fragile. Third, I’m fairly sure that someone is about to smack me for at least one of those comments. ---
**Author:** ![Carol\_Stream](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c2a13f/32.png) [@Carol\_Stream](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carol_Stream)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2006, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-a-fucking-pig-in-heels/368963/17 "2006-08-17T03:47:47Z")
[QUOTE=mhendo] As if the magaziones’ constant obsession with thinness has absolutely nothing to do with women’s body image. [/QUOTE] Who are these weak-minded women who base their body image on what’s in popular magazines? Do they need smelling salts, too? C’mon. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Mirror\_Image\_egamI\_rorriM](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e56c9b/32.png) [@Mirror\_Image\_egamI\_rorriM](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mirror_Image_egamI_rorriM)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2006, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-a-fucking-pig-in-heels/368963/18 "2006-08-17T04:08:11Z")
That’s a pretty petite pig, in any case. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2006, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-a-fucking-pig-in-heels/368963/19 "2006-08-17T04:51:46Z")
[QUOTE=Carol Stream] Who are these weak-minded women who base their body image on what’s in popular magazines? Do they need smelling salts, too? C’mon. :dubious: [/QUOTE] If you think it’s confined to magazines, might i suggest you leave your basement once in a while and take a walk in the real world. ---
**Author:** ![MizGrand](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/cdc98d/32.png) [@MizGrand](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MizGrand)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2006, 12:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-a-fucking-pig-in-heels/368963/20 "2006-08-17T12:06:51Z")
[QUOTE=Kalhoun] I’ve gained 30 lbs and have only gone up from a size 0 to a size 2. While I look completely different, no one would consider me “fat.” [/QUOTE] You skinny minnie! I’m jealous! 30 pounds and you’re a 2? Wow. Lucky, lucky you. I’ve been struggling between an 8 and a 10 for two years now. I don’t really care, and I never weigh myself anymore. Have you forgiven me yet, please? [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-a-fucking-pig-in-heels/368963.md?page=2)