That’s right, the recent terrorist attack was planned in Iraq.
Oops.
Don’t be stupid. What will be more effective in preventing terrorist attacks - throwing money down a rathole in Iraq, or using some of the money to beef up Homeland Security and patch all the holes we can’t afford to patch today, and use some of the troops and new clout in going after the terrorist hq in Afgahanistan. Remember Osama?
Voyager, Ogre isn’t just talking about Americans. He’s talking about people. That includes Iraqis.
So, to prevent this we stay there forever? Do you think things are moving in the right direction?
We might be able to turn things around if we sent Bush, Cheney, Rummy and their contingent of clowns off to Gitmo and put someone in charge with their head out of their ass, but as it stands we’ve got 2 1/2 more years of these idiots, and no reason to think things will get better. We’ve got Captain Wrong-way Peachfuzz running our ship, and since he’s locked in the bridge, we’d better get off before we hit an iceberg.
Since we aren’t going to get rid of these assholes until January 2009, I don’t see any choice but to try to keep the lid on until then and then have the next president, who hopefully will actually have some credibility, try to fix it.
The political debate has sunk to a new low.
Not that I ever accused Cal Thomas of being smart, but this is low even for him.
“Taliban Democrats”. This might be the slimiest editorial ever written.
Then he’s slapping the label of terrorist on anyone he doesn’t like. There is a civil war there. There are militias on the side of the government killing people, there are insurgents against the government killing people, there are militias in the government coalition killing people. They’re just as dead, but terrorism isn’t the problem.
Here’s a suggestion. The one thing we actually pulled off there was having a reasonably free and fair election. (Considering the circumstance we did a damn good job - I have to give that to the Administration.) Have one and ask the Iraqis if they want us to leave. If they do, set up a timetable and split. We’re in favor of democracy, right?
If Cal like him, the voters of Conn. did a good job.
The Pubbies should make Joe their candidate, and make an honest man out of him.
Actually, that would work for me, if we really felt we could ensure a valid election. That is, if the insurgents (and I agree that Ogre’s choice of term there was bad, but that came from the administration and has percolated down, just as somehow overnight Kerry became a Flip-Flopper) don’t prevent the ordinary citizens from voting. And that might be quite difficult, but you’re right - the election on the whole went quite well.
Raise hands: who here would pay to see Barbara Bush go up against Dick Cheney in a no-holds bar steel cage match?
You’ve reminded me of that optical illusion where you take a shade of grey and put it on a white field and it looks dark, and then put it on a black field and it looks light.
I’m voting Republican in 2008. No way should any other party have to clean up this mess.
Sure, as long as you suspend the cage over an active volcano, and cut the cables when the victor’s declared.
I might pay some to ensure that it happened, but watching it? No thanks.
20 on Babs.
as long as Dick’s unarmed.
I saw another one called “Liberal McCarthyism.” There is no comparison too ridiculous for these Hyperbolical Conservatives. 
I wonder if Cheney’s intervention will help sink Lieberman.
So what do we think are the indicia of “a stable, democratic government in Iraq”? Do we have to get to the point where there is no more sectarian violence in Iraq? If our presence is the only thing standing between civil war and the current situation, are we hoping that the Sunnis, Baathists, Kurds, and Shia will somehow come to terms with each other and live happily ever after so long as we are there to prevent outright civil war? Is there a roadmap or are we at the point where we are just “hoping”?
Until there’s a new administration, we’re just hoping, I think. But what’s the alternative? Pull out and let the entire former Iraq go up in flames? Because we blindly and stupidly created a mess we had no idea how to clean up?
The Iraqis don’t deserve what’s happened to them already. But what’s already happened to them is nothing compare to what will likely happen if we just say “Oops! My Bad! See ya around!”
“Everyone who voted for Bush/Cheney in 2000 and 2004”?
(Or as my greey little id would say, “They broke it, they pay for it.”)
How acurate were your pre-invasion predictions?
And that will be true whether we leave now, or in 10 years after a Republican President declares “mission accomplished” and brings the boys home. Doing it now will save the lives of thousands of American troops. The victims of sectarian violence are doomed either way.
But obviously, Cheney doesn’t believe that, and neither does Lieberman.They both believe it’s possible to end the sectarian violence with US involvement. Obviously, you disagree, but what they’re saying makes sense, given the premises they’re starting with, just as what you’re saying makes sense given the premises you’re starting with.