# WTF Do You Mean By This DeLay? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 1, 2005, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-do-you-mean-by-this-delay/297173 "2005-04-01T03:20:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2005, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-do-you-mean-by-this-delay/297173/61 "2005-04-01T19:17:59Z")
Very well. let’s talk about the 152 executions and the tasteless mocking and mimicking of one of the “executees” then. ---
**Author:** ![Mtgman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5a626/32.png) [@Mtgman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mtgman)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2005, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-do-you-mean-by-this-delay/297173/62 "2005-04-01T19:45:44Z")
No thanks. I’m anti-death penalty already and my criticism of your inaccurate summary of the Texas Futile Care law does not imply support for anything else Bush did while he was Texas Governor, President, or part owner of the Texas Rangers. I’ve never liked the guy. Not when he was my Governor, nor now that he’s my President. I didn’t think much of him as a part owner of the Rangers either, but that was tolerable. Enjoy, Steven ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2005, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-do-you-mean-by-this-delay/297173/63 "2005-04-01T20:28:42Z")
Oh, I agree with Tom DeLay. The federal judiciary is activist and bad for America. Has been since the Supreme Court did so much to help Dubya engineer that stolen election back in 2000, with that “extraordinary” “one-time” decision of theirs. But I don’t think they’re out of control. I think they’re totally in Republican control. Right now, the use the Pubbies have for them is “whipping boy.” ---
**Author:** ![Excalibre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@Excalibre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Excalibre)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2005, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-do-you-mean-by-this-delay/297173/64 "2005-04-01T20:44:15Z")
> [@FriarTed](#): > > My kind of people! 😃 > > You know you just included Alan Dershowitz, Ralph Nader, Jesse Jackson & 47 House Democrats in that group (and I’ll say I was surprised at the three named & that many Dem Congressfolk on our side) What? SteveG1 was talking about attempts by a political group - the ultraconservative wing of the Republican party, to be precise - to control the judiciary. None of these people you mention are members of that political group. In fact, Jesse Jackson and Ralph Nader are among the most prominent leftist political figures in the United States today. > [@FriarTed](#): > > Anyone who thinks the judiciary- any judiciary, left or right- should rule unchecked by Executive, Legislature or the Citizenry either doesn’t really know or doesn’t really care about Constitutional Government. The Constitution does allow Congress to check the Judiciary. And if it didn’t (tho it does), it would need to be amended so that it did. And anyone who things that checks and balances should occur in the form of Congress having the power to punish judges for “wrong” decisions - i.e. ones contrary to party principles - is in fact supporting a one-party dictatorship. Do you really think that those in prominent positions in the Republican party are so morally pure that they can be trusted with this power? Nothing in this case even remotely approached “judicial activism”. The word has essentially become a codeword to describe judicial action not toeing the party line - which is a frightening indictment of the inability of the left to frame the debate - but there is absolutely nothing about these decisions that even approaches the idea of judges making laws. Permitting one’s next of kin to make medical decisions on their behalf is the norm, and the findings-of-fact in the case reflect the importance to the case of Terry Schiavo’s own wishes. I disagree with your belief that Terry’s own wishes regarding her medical care are less important than those of prominent politicians - in fact, I support the idea of a government that has less power to intrude into our most personal choices, not more. Regardless, though, there was an already-extant system to manage the care of those who are unable to communicate, and upholding that system is the precise opposite of “activism”. I understand your conviction in the leadership of the Republican party. Perhaps I skew partisan myself; I have found myself thinking on more than one occasion that if my people ruled the world, we could put an end to all these difficulties. 🙂 Nevertheless, history has shown that excessive or zealous faith in governmental leaders permits them to destroy the liberties of their citizens. It is an unhealthy impulse to forget that your own side isn’t perfect. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2005, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-do-you-mean-by-this-delay/297173/65 "2005-04-01T21:03:08Z")
> [@Mtgman](#): > > No thanks. > Enjoy, > Steven Fair enough 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2005, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-do-you-mean-by-this-delay/297173/66 "2005-04-01T22:11:21Z")
In the Sun Hudson case, it wasn’t about money, per se. It was the fact that the boy’s condition was extremely painful, so keeping him alive on life support was cruel, AND his own mother was judged mentally incompetant. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2005, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-do-you-mean-by-this-delay/297173/67 "2005-04-01T22:33:47Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > In the Sun Hudson case, it wasn’t about money, per se. It was the fact that the boy’s condition was extremely painful, so keeping him alive on life support was cruel, AND his own mother was judged mentally incompetant. That part was left out of the things I read. I have to assume they were left out deliberately, and I’ve been had. After all, that would have a major gigantic impact, and I would have to agree with the final decisions that were made. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2005, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-do-you-mean-by-this-delay/297173/68 "2005-04-01T23:33:14Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > In the Sun Hudson case, it wasn’t about money, per se. It was the fact that the boy’s condition was extremely painful, so keeping him alive on life support was cruel, AND his own mother was judged mentally incompetant. Was that the one where the mother was convinced she was in psychic connection with her son, and that he was some sort of messianic figure? ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2005, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-do-you-mean-by-this-delay/297173/69 "2005-04-02T01:37:54Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Was that the one where the mother was convinced she was in psychic connection with her son, and that he was some sort of messianic figure? Yes. ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2005, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-do-you-mean-by-this-delay/297173/70 "2005-04-02T04:49:33Z")
> [@Eve](#): > > Ted Kennedy—bless his little cotton socks!—came through: As I was scrolling down I glanced at this and some of the words mashed together. I found myself wondering why **Eve** was blessing Ted Kennedy’s little cocks. This in turn led to even more wondering and now I have to end this hijack to go throw up. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2005, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-do-you-mean-by-this-delay/297173/71 "2005-04-02T05:15:54Z")
> [@This Year's Model](#): > > Yes. That’s another “tidbit” that was left out of the accounts I read. I guess I can’t read anything these days, without wondering what the author embellished or deliberately omitted. ---
**Author:** ![milroyj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2005, 6:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-do-you-mean-by-this-delay/297173/72 "2005-04-02T06:21:23Z")
> [@Scoundrel Swanswater](#): > > I really feel that not enough is being done to prevent this. > What possibility does the American people have to get rid of their president? They’re called elections. Happens every four years, second Tuesday in November, like clockwork. ---
**Author:** ![milroyj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2005, 6:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-do-you-mean-by-this-delay/297173/73 "2005-04-02T06:33:23Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > The moment DeLay, Bush, or anyone else tries to eliminate the constitution, they DO become The Enemy. Well, sure, if they actually tried to _tried_ to eliminate the Constitution, they would become The Enemy, but they haven’t. Are there monsters under your bed? Is the boogey-man lurking in your closet? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2005, 6:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-do-you-mean-by-this-delay/297173/74 "2005-04-02T06:47:41Z")
No, but there’s one scary mo-fo lurking around my House. ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2005, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-do-you-mean-by-this-delay/297173/75 "2005-04-05T03:12:43Z")
[Well, it looks like there might be some fallout for DeLay because of this.](http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/metropolitan/3116290) > [@](#): > > Nearly 58 percent were critical of DeLay’s leading role in spurring Congress to pass a special law to get a federal court review of Schiavo’s parents’ attempts to have her feeding tube kept in place. And this part > [@](#): > > In the survey, conducted by Zogby International, 53 percent of the respondents said they are Republicans, a third identified themselves as Democrats and the rest are independents, except for one Libertarian. Indicates he might have just eroded the support of his core voting block. _Not_ a good thing for him. ---
**Author:** ![stpauler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9d8465/32.png) [@stpauler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stpauler)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2005, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-do-you-mean-by-this-delay/297173/76 "2005-04-15T15:41:09Z")
Bumping this thread because of [a quote](http://washingtontimes.com/national/20050413-111442-2344r.htm) a co-worker showed me…: > [@Tom Delay](#): > > “The reason the judiciary has been able to impose a separation of church and state that’s nowhere in the Constitution is that Congress didn’t stop them. The reason we had judicial review is because Congress didn’t stop them. \*\*The reason we had a right to privacy is because Congress didn’t stop them,” he said. \*\* “We’re having to change a whole culture in this — a culture created by law schools.” That pesky right to privacy. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Raygun99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Raygun99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Raygun99)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2005, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-do-you-mean-by-this-delay/297173/77 "2005-04-15T15:47:18Z")
> [@stpauler](#): > > Bumping this thread because of [a quote](http://washingtontimes.com/national/20050413-111442-2344r.htm) a co-worker showed me…: > > That pesky right to privacy. :rolleyes: When you see “privacy”, read “abortion”. ---
**Author:** ![Homebrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Homebrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Homebrew)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2005, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-do-you-mean-by-this-delay/297173/78 "2005-04-15T15:49:01Z")
> [@](#): > > The reason we had judicial review is because Congress didn’t stop them. Since many of the original framers were still around when _Marbury v. Madison_ was decided in 1803 and the fact that they didn’t revolt, suggests to me that they accepted that decision as their intent. ---
**Author:** ![stpauler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9d8465/32.png) [@stpauler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stpauler)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2005, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-do-you-mean-by-this-delay/297173/79 "2005-04-15T15:52:51Z")
> [@Raygun99](#): > > When you see “privacy”, read “abortion”. Well, that WOULD explain getting rid of the sodomy law in Texas then. ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2005, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-do-you-mean-by-this-delay/297173/80 "2005-04-15T16:02:03Z")
> [@Homebrew](#): > > Since many of the original framers were still around when _Marbury v. Madison_ was decided in 1803 and the fact that they didn’t revolt, suggests to me that they accepted that decision as their intent. How _dare_ you drag **facts** into this discussion, sir! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-do-you-mean-by-this-delay/297173.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-do-you-mean-by-this-delay/297173.md?page=5)