# WTF happened to improve Trump’s odds of re-election? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [July 9, 2020, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-happened-to-improve-trump-s-odds-of-re-election/914869 "2020-07-09T21:14:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2020, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-happened-to-improve-trump-s-odds-of-re-election/914869/361 "2020-08-28T20:05:38Z")
When the vast majority of political violence is coming from the left in democrat run areas you really believe that it will be republicans that are going to engage in mob violence on Election Day? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2020, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-happened-to-improve-trump-s-odds-of-re-election/914869/362 "2020-08-28T20:11:31Z")
This is false – in fact, it was a Trump supporter who murdered two protesters 2 days ago. If you didn’t know this, you can google it – it was in Kenosha, and the murderer was a 17 year old. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2020, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-happened-to-improve-trump-s-odds-of-re-election/914869/363 "2020-08-28T20:14:54Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Trump supporter who murdered two protesters 2 days ago. If you didn’t know this, you can google it – it was in Kenosha, and the murderer was a 17 year old. octopus says “[self defense](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-heres-your-own-thread-to-shit-all-over/815550/592)”. 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2020, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-happened-to-improve-trump-s-odds-of-re-election/914869/364 "2020-08-28T20:54:21Z")
Self defense iiandyiiii. Self defense. Unlike the looters, rioters, and arsonists that young man was defending himself. And whatever happened to trials? I know mob rule isn’t rare around here on this board but to see it manifest itself in mostly peaceful arsonists, looters, and other Biden supporters in the real world is going to be very unproductive. Even Don Lemon is worried about the poll numbers. … ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2020, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-happened-to-improve-trump-s-odds-of-re-election/914869/365 "2020-08-28T20:56:10Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Self defense iiandyiiii. Self defense. Yes, this is the current (evidence-free) party line of the bloodthirsty Trump supporters. Some of us oppose killing people – it’s a shame you’re not with us, but not terribly surprising. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2020, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-happened-to-improve-trump-s-odds-of-re-election/914869/366 "2020-08-28T21:04:32Z")
Biden’s America right there! Where mobs of left wing radicals are allowed to loot, pillage, and rape in the name of social justice while the victims have to endure the burning of their property, the assaults on their bodies, and the silencing of their voices or _they’ll_ be the ones the state prosecutes. Are you seriously suggesting that folks don’t have the right to self defense from unhinged mobs engaged in random violence? If you are upset with anyone it should be the folks who have hijacked a legitimate movement concerned with justice system reform and have turned it into an excuse to engage in opportunistic theft, destruction, and violence. Furthermore, there is more evidence that the shooter acted in self defense than your assertion that he’s a murderer. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2020, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-happened-to-improve-trump-s-odds-of-re-election/914869/367 "2020-08-28T21:20:30Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > and rape Cite? Or are you inventing a societal strawman in an attempt to support a position that doesn’t stand up without one? ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2020, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-happened-to-improve-trump-s-odds-of-re-election/914869/368 "2020-08-28T21:33:33Z")
Lol. Funny how you don’t challenge the arson, looting, assault, and other mayhem. [The violent end of CHOP, formerly known as CHAZ, explained - Vox](https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/7/2/21310109/chop-chaz-cleared-violence-explained) ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2020, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-happened-to-improve-trump-s-odds-of-re-election/914869/369 "2020-08-28T21:38:13Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Biden’s America right there! If you weren’t aware, the President is currently Trump. This is Trump’s America. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2020, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-happened-to-improve-trump-s-odds-of-re-election/914869/370 "2020-08-28T21:38:51Z")
I just targeted the most blatant piece of bullshit in your giant ball of fiction. Seriously, the more hyperbolic you get, the more it sounds like fantasy. Yes, some percentage of protests are violent. Yes, some percentage of that violence is not caused by conservative agitators. But the breathless hysteria that you seem to require to support your tenuous position sounds like you’re responding to a fictional world of your own invention. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2020, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-happened-to-improve-trump-s-odds-of-re-election/914869/371 "2020-08-28T21:43:22Z")
There’s this concept called federalism. Local leaders and DAs are the ones responsible for their municipalities and states. I know you know tha. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2020, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-happened-to-improve-trump-s-odds-of-re-election/914869/372 "2020-08-28T21:44:40Z")
But Biden’s not a DA or local leader! I think you’re confusing your propaganda. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2020, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-happened-to-improve-trump-s-odds-of-re-election/914869/373 "2020-08-28T21:45:24Z")
So those buildings are burning themselves down? Those Nikes and TVs, oops I mean bread and milk, are looting themselves? Those police are torching their own precincts and vehicles? Is that your claim? ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2020, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-happened-to-improve-trump-s-odds-of-re-election/914869/374 "2020-08-28T21:46:05Z")
Touché. ---
**Author:** ![suranyi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e36b37/32.png) [@suranyi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/suranyi)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2020, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-happened-to-improve-trump-s-odds-of-re-election/914869/375 "2020-08-28T21:46:16Z")
This is a national emergency that requires a national response. ---
**Author:** ![suranyi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e36b37/32.png) [@suranyi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/suranyi)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2020, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-happened-to-improve-trump-s-odds-of-re-election/914869/376 "2020-08-28T21:49:24Z")
They are, but, at least around here, nobody cares. The only issue that people here are talking about is COVID. “When will stores open? When will it be safe to go to a concert? When can our kids go back to school? When can we travel? When can we get a haircut?” That’s all I hear from my neighbors, 24/7. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2020, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-happened-to-improve-trump-s-odds-of-re-election/914869/377 "2020-08-28T21:49:48Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > There’s this concept called federalism. Local leaders and DAs are the ones responsible for their municipalities and states. I know you know tha. > [@suranyi](#): > > This is a national emergency that requires a national response. So is COVID but Jared declined to initiate a national response because “fuck Democrats”. Same thing here. Edited for clarification. ---
**Author:** ![suranyi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e36b37/32.png) [@suranyi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/suranyi)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2020, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-happened-to-improve-trump-s-odds-of-re-election/914869/378 "2020-08-28T21:50:06Z")
I meant COVID. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2020, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-happened-to-improve-trump-s-odds-of-re-election/914869/379 "2020-08-28T21:53:24Z")
My claim, (and stop me if you’ve heard this before) is that it’s _far_ from clear that the people engaging in each of these acts can be fairly called “liberal protesters” - some of them aren’t protesters, and some of them aren’t liberal. That, and since you are _clearly_`*` perfectly willing to make things up whole cloth in order to falsely slander the protests, anything you accuse them of sounds like a lie, even if it’s true. You are literally convincing me the protesters are more peaceful than they probably are. `*` “and rape” ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2020, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-happened-to-improve-trump-s-odds-of-re-election/914869/380 "2020-08-28T21:53:27Z")
> [@suranyi](#): > > They are, but, at least around here, nobody cares. The only issue that people here are talking about is COVID. “When will stores open? When will it be safe to go to a concert? When can our kids go back to school? When can we travel? When can we get a haircut?” That’s all I hear from my neighbors, 24/7. I believe what @octopus is trying to convey in his inimitable way is that Trump supporters and the overwhelming majority of republicans don’t give a fuck about those things. They’ve been out partying, traveling, getting their hair cuts and spreading COVID with impunity. What they do care about is the riots in cities in which they don’t live and looting in neighborhoods they don’t shop. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-happened-to-improve-trump-s-odds-of-re-election/914869.md?page=18) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-happened-to-improve-trump-s-odds-of-re-election/914869.md?page=20)