# WTF is wrong with you, conservative America?!?
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-is-wrong-with-you-conservative-america/571896
**Category:** The BBQ Pit
**Created:** [February 19, 2011, 8:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-is-wrong-with-you-conservative-america/571896 "2011-02-19T08:16:24Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
**Page:** 17
### Author:  [@Nadir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nadir)
#### Post date: [February 24, 2011, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-is-wrong-with-you-conservative-america/571896/321 "2011-02-24T15:42:50Z")
> [@septimus](#):
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> Did we come here to debate about health care, or to debate about debating? Neither, actually; the topic is **What the Fuck is wrong with today’s American right-wingers?** Let me address that question.
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> **The problem with about 97.9% of American right-wingers is that they’re poorly informed or stupid.** Let’s move on.
:rolleyes: Good luck with that! Ever wonder how the Wisconsin legislature ended up in their current state? Doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure that one out. Why, the majority of Wisconsin voters are obviously poorly informed or stupid.
Whoda thunk it? 😕
Moving on…
(and unsubscribing)
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### Author:  [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)
#### Post date: [February 24, 2011, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-is-wrong-with-you-conservative-america/571896/322 "2011-02-24T16:32:40Z")
And a tow-headed boy runs out onto the prairie, crying at the ever shrinking figure on horseback.
“Shane! Shane! Go away, Shane!..”
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### Author:  [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)
#### Post date: [February 24, 2011, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-is-wrong-with-you-conservative-america/571896/323 "2011-02-24T17:28:12Z")
> [@Uzi](#):
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> This is the point I came into the thread to ask. The ‘liberals’ nee Democrats had a majority and fucked it up.
No, they didn’t. They only had 59 votes in the Senate. In the topsy-turvy world of Senate politics, 59 out of 100 is not a majority. But you knew that.
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### Author:  [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)
#### Post date: [February 24, 2011, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-is-wrong-with-you-conservative-america/571896/324 "2011-02-24T17:46:21Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#):
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> 59 out of 100 is not a majority.
One thing is, you can’t even count.
Regards,
Shodan
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### Author:  [@Uzi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uzi)
#### Post date: [February 24, 2011, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-is-wrong-with-you-conservative-america/571896/325 "2011-02-24T17:49:47Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#):
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> No, they didn’t. They only had 59 votes in the Senate. In the topsy-turvy world of Senate politics, 59 out of 100 is not a majority. But you knew that.
59 out of 100 is a majority, it just isn’t enough to block a filibuster.
What does it matter given the democrats aren’t really liberal anyways? In any case, you couldn’t find a way to sway 1 person to change their vote? A case of money behind some dumpster? Photos of some senator making sign language to the guy in the next stall at an airport washroom? No way at all? You deserve to lose.
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### Author:  [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)
#### Post date: [February 24, 2011, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-is-wrong-with-you-conservative-america/571896/326 "2011-02-24T17:55:05Z")
> [@Shodan](#):
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> One thing is, you can’t even count.
You cut off the beginning of that sentence and completely missed that it was facetious. The point is that a simple majority in the US Senate is not sufficient to pass legislation against the resistance of a determined minority party. It’s therefore totally disingenuous to say that the Dems “fucked up” their majority. A majority doesn’t cut it in the Senate. They never had a supermajority, so the Republicans were able to stonewall everything with their childish abuse of the filibuster.
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### Author:  [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)
#### Post date: [February 24, 2011, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-is-wrong-with-you-conservative-america/571896/327 "2011-02-24T17:58:47Z")
> [@Uzi](#):
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> 59 out of 100 is a majority, it just isn’t enough to block a filibuster.
> What does it matter given the democrats aren’t really liberal anyways? In any case, you couldn’t find a way to sway 1 person to change their vote? A case of money behind some dumpster? Photos of some senator making sign language to the guy in the next stall at an airport washroom? No way at all? You deserve to lose.
You’re saying the Democrats deserve to lose because they’re not corrupt?
They didn’t get _nothing_ done, by the way. They still managed to save your ass from a depression and pass a meaningful health care bill. You’re welcome.
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### Author:  [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)
#### Post date: [February 24, 2011, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-is-wrong-with-you-conservative-america/571896/328 "2011-02-24T18:01:52Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#):
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> You cut off the beginning of that sentence and completely missed that it was facetious. The point is that a simple majority in the US Senate is not sufficient to pass legislation against the resistance of a determined minority party. It’s therefore totally disingenuous to say that the Dems “fucked up” their majority. A majority doesn’t cut it in the Senate. They never had a supermajority, so the Republicans were able to stonewall everything with their childish abuse of the filibuster.
Liberals can’t count.
Regards,
Shodan
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### Author:  [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)
#### Post date: [February 24, 2011, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-is-wrong-with-you-conservative-america/571896/329 "2011-02-24T18:02:15Z")
Aw, heck, **Doggyknees** , why did you have to spoil it? That was _classic_ Shodan!
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### Author:  [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)
#### Post date: [February 24, 2011, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-is-wrong-with-you-conservative-america/571896/330 "2011-02-24T18:02:46Z")
Teabaggers can’t understand sarcasm.
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### Author:  [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)
#### Post date: [February 24, 2011, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-is-wrong-with-you-conservative-america/571896/331 "2011-02-24T18:04:31Z")
The thing you have to understand about the liberals is:
1. We’ve all “drunk the Kool-Aid”, march in lockstep and stifle all dissent;
2. Yet we’re so disorganized and can’t agree on anything or get our goals achieved; therefore
3. We’re a hivemind, but a _really, really incompetent_ one.
Thus is cognitive dissonance avoided.
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### Author:  [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)
#### Post date: [February 24, 2011, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-is-wrong-with-you-conservative-america/571896/332 "2011-02-24T18:12:46Z")
Ah, yes, **Shodan** marching into a thread about what’s wrong with conservatives, doing his usual low content dick move shit, and then feeling smugly satisfied. Oh, the irony.
Btw, **Smiling Bandit** , I’ll get around to replying eventually, but the 8 billion word posts I wrote last night took it out of me for now.
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### Author:  [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)
#### Post date: [February 24, 2011, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-is-wrong-with-you-conservative-america/571896/333 "2011-02-24T18:31:05Z")
Liberals are stupid.
Regards,
Shodan
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### Author:  [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)
#### Post date: [February 24, 2011, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-is-wrong-with-you-conservative-america/571896/334 "2011-02-24T19:00:15Z")
> [@Shodan](#):
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> Liberals are stupid.
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> Regards,
> Shodan
Shodans are yum
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### Author:  [@Uzi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uzi)
#### Post date: [February 24, 2011, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-is-wrong-with-you-conservative-america/571896/335 "2011-02-24T19:28:16Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#):
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> You’re saying the Democrats deserve to lose because they’re not corrupt?
They deserve to lose because they aren’t willing to do what is necessary to win. 1 vote is all you needed and you couldn’t do it. “Missed it by that much!” There was no one on the other side that couldn’t have been swayed given the right incentive? Nah, you weren’t willing to die on that hill because you weren’t ‘real’ liberals. Kind of proves EP’s point earlier.
> [@](#):
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> They didn’t get _nothing_ done, by the way. They still managed to save your ass from a depression and pass a meaningful health care bill. You’re welcome.
Too bad they didn’t care enough about the economy to prevent the recession in the first place.
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### Author:  [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)
#### Post date: [February 24, 2011, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-is-wrong-with-you-conservative-america/571896/336 "2011-02-24T19:59:45Z")
There was nothing they could do about that. That was right wing de-regulation coming home to roost.
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### Author:  [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)
#### Post date: [February 24, 2011, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-is-wrong-with-you-conservative-america/571896/337 "2011-02-24T20:15:28Z")
Liberals caused the recession.
Regards,
Shodan
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### Author:  [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)
#### Post date: [February 24, 2011, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-is-wrong-with-you-conservative-america/571896/338 "2011-02-24T20:19:31Z")
Of course! That’s it! Radical left wingers burrowed into the financial sector and rose to power at Goldman Sachs and AIG! Then, at a signal from beyond the grave from Trotsky, BAM!
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### Author:  [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)
#### Post date: [February 24, 2011, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-is-wrong-with-you-conservative-america/571896/339 "2011-02-24T20:29:44Z")
> [@starving artist](#):
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> single-payer was and is the ultimate goal. The current bill is merely a foot in the door.
☹ **If only!**
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### Author:  [@Cyningablod](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cyningablod)
#### Post date: [February 24, 2011, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-is-wrong-with-you-conservative-america/571896/340 "2011-02-24T20:31:26Z")
Actually, to be totally fair, here…
I’m pretty sure that it was Clinton-era, Democratically-drafted and -passed housing equality legislation that set the stage for the housing bubble (and subsequent burst). Banks were pretty much mandated to give loans to sub-prime borrowers, and they’re the ones who royally fucked things up for the housing market.
I’m liberal, and I think it was bone-headed fucking STUPID to allow/encourage people with horrible credit and poor intentions, to get mortgages. And that’s pretty much exclusively the Dems’ fault. Granted, the lending banks really did actively _exploit_ some stupid/lazy people, and that’s not the fault of liberals, but some really BAD liberal legislation made that possible.
So while the Wall Street scandals–another big piece of the recession pie–are certainly more connected to Republican policies (and conservatives’ fondness for scant oversight), I don’t think it can reasonably denied that Dems/liberals carry some significant culpability for the recession.
(But then, Bush’s Admin didn’t exactly spare no expense or idea to right the ship! TARP–Bush’s baby, not Obama’s–was a bailout for _corporations_, not taxpayers!)
Our side ain’t perfect. That’s alls I’m sayin’ about the recession issue.
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