# WTF is wrong with you, conservative America?!?
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-is-wrong-with-you-conservative-america/571896
**Category:** The BBQ Pit
**Created:** [February 19, 2011, 8:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-is-wrong-with-you-conservative-america/571896 "2011-02-19T08:16:24Z")
**Posts on this page:** 6
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### Author:  [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)
#### Post date: [February 27, 2011, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-is-wrong-with-you-conservative-america/571896/421 "2011-02-27T23:50:00Z")
> [@Assi](#):
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> Not too long ago when a Messiah was annointed, the left was proclaiming the end of conservatism.
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> Conservative America seems to be doing fine.
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> November wasn’t too bad considering Pelosi’s gavel is no more.
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> Unions pissing and moaning surely is a good thing. It means that conservatives are in positions to oppose the greedy bastards. Like a baby getting a toy taken away before bedtime Unions and their lefty leaders are crying their eyes out. You can’t blame them because they don’t know any better. To them it’s just not fair. Some are even running away. They’ll cry themselves to sleep eventually.
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> There are many independents as well as party loyal Repubs that find many of the base values attractive and necessary at this time. You don’t have such a huge turnaround in the House without doing something to grab independents. The embarrasing way that the left handled things the last two years obviously turned off a lot of independent voters.
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> Try as it has, the liberal media cannot overcome the flow of information online and over the radio. I think that fact alone is what makes this wave of conservatism a strong force. People are able to go to several sources for information and come to forums like this and others to gather on their own instead of relying on what is spoon fed to em.
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> It could go several different ways over the next 21 months. I don’t see a strong candidate yet out of the republicans. I myself like Bobby Jihndal(sp\>) out of Louisianna but I don’t know if is even old enough to run. (I guess it doesn’t matter since you don’t need a birth certificate(snicker)). I don’t think they can win by just running against the third Bush. You have to remember that President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho will have an entire race voting for him regardless of what he does. Hell, he could rape the statue of liberty and get that voting block.
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> Maybe the house will screw up. Both sides will blame each other if things get worse, but It’s too early who the public will assign it to.
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> Right now though, conservatives are in as good a position as libs.
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> That’s just my $.02
Oh look. Someone has posted a long list of petty partisan insults and standard right-wing talking points and fallacies for the purpose of irritating those posters who do not share their political views. No one on the history of this messageboard has ever done this before. I predict a long and fruitful board membership for this person.
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### Author:  [@emacknight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emacknight)
#### Post date: [February 27, 2011, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-is-wrong-with-you-conservative-america/571896/422 "2011-02-27T23:58:55Z")
> [@Uzi](#):
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> Completely relevant for a number of reasons, 1. The term ‘real’ liberals was brought up; and 2. Conservatives are the corrupt ones. Martin proves that ‘real’ liberals are as corrupt as anyone else.
No, nothing was “proven.” You _showed_ that Martin was a [real] liberal, and you showed that Martin was corrupt. That does NOT prove liberals are corrupt, nor does it prove liberals are NOT corrupt. It says nothing about liberals, or conservatives for that matter.
What good would it do us if I showed that the Conservative Part of North Korea rapes little boys? Can we draw any conclusions about the number of little boys raped by Republicans?
Bob is Russian, Bob drives a red truck. Do all Russians drive red trucks? Are all trucks red? Are all Russians named Bob?
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### Author:  [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)
#### Post date: [February 28, 2011, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-is-wrong-with-you-conservative-america/571896/423 "2011-02-28T00:35:51Z")
What’s with all the new guys who keep calling Obama “The Messiah” anyway? Seems kind of creepy. As insults go, it’s pretty lame, as well as very last-year.
Does he (they) really think it accomplishes anything, other than mark him (them) as a dullard?
(ETA: Oh, wait, I just got it. They are specifically answering the OP with self-referential examples of what is wrong with conservative America. Gotcha.)
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### Author:  [@Uzi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uzi)
#### Post date: [February 28, 2011, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-is-wrong-with-you-conservative-america/571896/424 "2011-02-28T01:35:41Z")
> [@emacknight](#):
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> No, nothing was “proven.” You _showed_ that Martin was a [real] liberal, and you showed that Martin was corrupt. That does NOT prove liberals are corrupt, nor does it prove liberals are NOT corrupt. It says nothing about liberals, or conservatives for that matter.
Sure it does. The _Prime Minister of Canada_ was Paul Martin. If the other members in the Liberal Party thought what he did was wrong, they had many options. It isn’t like impeaching a President down in the States. In Canada, they can kick out the party leader relatively easily in comparison. Didn’t see that happen. Didn’t see it likely to happen. Frankly, I didn’t hear too many objections on the liberal side to the thing when it occurred.
I used the example of Canada because that is where I live and know the politics better than in the US. IIRC, someone accused me of being corrupt and as such as being a reflection of how conservatives think. I’m a conservative in Canada, which is the left of conservatives in America. Liberals in Canada are even further left. If they are willing to do what is needed to get what they want (in this case to a purely selfish reason to retain power temporarily). My argument is that corruption isn’t limited to conservatives. As you seem to be agreeing with in an argumentative fashion.
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### Author:  [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)
#### Post date: [February 28, 2011, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-is-wrong-with-you-conservative-america/571896/425 "2011-02-28T05:52:33Z")
Funny, you seemed to start this whole tangent with the supposition that the Democrats are losers because there were not corrupt enough. That they _should have_ tried to give a senator some cash in order to change his vote.
I guess your logic is that “everyone does it”, even the liberal party of Canada, so the Democrats were stupid for not being corrupt too.
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### Author:  [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)
#### Post date: [February 28, 2011, 10:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-is-wrong-with-you-conservative-america/571896/426 "2011-02-28T10:23:16Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#):
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> (ETA: Oh, wait, I just got it. They are specifically answering the OP with self-referential examples of what is wrong with conservative America. Gotcha.)
Well yeah, in the sense that the political discourse of the right is dominated by Beavis-and-Butthead types who think saying “Liberals are stupid people who think Obama is the Messiah even though he doesn’t have a birth certificate” is an actual argument, while the intelligent ones are either happy to let the “useful idiots” loose as long as their agenda is furthered or else are too frustrated/disgusted/apathetic to do much about it.
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