# WTF moments from otherwise innocuous TV/movies **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 18, 2011, 7:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-moments-from-otherwise-innocuous-tv-movies/606628 "2011-12-18T07:48:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2011, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-moments-from-otherwise-innocuous-tv-movies/606628/41 "2011-12-20T19:53:23Z")
> [@Morbo](#): > > In the movie **Under Siege** , where after the bad guys have taken over and Seagal is sneaking around, hired stripper Erika Eleniak wakes up from being drugged, then pops out of a cake and takes her top off without even looking around first. > I debated even posting this, since it was the best scene in the movie. Well, the scene where Gary Busey is on deck when the main guns fire and wanders around in a daze with his ears bleeding is pretty good, too. ---
**Author:** ![KneadToKnow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kneadtoknow/32/3999_2.png) [@KneadToKnow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KneadToKnow)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2011, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-moments-from-otherwise-innocuous-tv-movies/606628/42 "2011-12-20T19:55:51Z")
With all due respect, **DCnDC** , picking out dumb things people do in the prequel trilogy is like finding hay in a haystack. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2011, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-moments-from-otherwise-innocuous-tv-movies/606628/43 "2011-12-20T20:01:49Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > There’s at least one rather direct reference to her being straight. McCoy is prosecuting someone who had sex underage and Serena talks about making out with a guy when she was technically too young, and the guy didn’t grow up to be a sex offender. He’s a state Senator in Albany, or something. There are plenty of gays and lesbians who don’t acknowledge or realize their orientation until after having sex with the opposite gender. My contribution to the thread will be the early _7th Heaven_ episode in which 16-year-old, hot virgin Mary Camden, concerned about her skill as a kisser, asks her older brother to give her lessons – i.e., to make out with her. If it were a Joss Whedon or Seth McFarland show I might not have blinked, but this was the holiest show on network television. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2011, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-moments-from-otherwise-innocuous-tv-movies/606628/44 "2011-12-20T20:40:22Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > There are plenty of gays and lesbians who don’t acknowledge or realize their orientation until after having sex with the opposite gender. Oh yeah, it’s far from conclusive. But if we’re looking for hints at Serena Southerlyn’s sexual orientation, it’s at least worth mentioning along with her reactions to gay rights cases. And I don’t even remember any scenes with her and Dr. Rogers, unless the medical examiner was testifying. ---
**Author:** ![Soylent\_Juicy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/82dd89/32.png) [@Soylent\_Juicy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Soylent_Juicy)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2011, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-moments-from-otherwise-innocuous-tv-movies/606628/45 "2011-12-20T20:44:10Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > …the early _7th Heaven_ episode in which 16-year-old, hot virgin Mary Camden, concerned about her skill as a kisser, asks her older brother to give her lessons – i.e., to make out with her. Wait, what?!! :eek: My favourite one is in the movie “The Long Kiss Goodnight”. The characters are supposed to be walking around New Jersey but the big ole “Honest Ed’s” sign in downtown Toronto is shining brightly behind them. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2011, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-moments-from-otherwise-innocuous-tv-movies/606628/46 "2011-12-20T20:55:25Z")
> [@Prelude\_to\_Fascination](#): > > _A Mighty Wind_, directed by Christopher Guest, is a great movie with fantastic performances from his troupe (many from _This is Spinal Tap, Waiting for Guffman_, and _Best in Show_). I really like the film, until the very end, when The Folksmen are playing a concert in a casino on, I believe, a Native American reservation. Harry Shearer plays Mark Shubb, the bassist for The Folksmen, but at the casino, he’s dressed in women’s clothes and a blonde wig. > > I mean, where in the hell did that come from?! It’s so far out in left field that this part takes me out of the whole thing. Yes and no. There were lots of great references in that movie that would mostly be funny only to folk fans. The fake album covers, for example, were beyond genius. Each of the three groups were loosely based on real acts. The large group = The New Christy Minstrels. Mitch and Mickey = Caesar and Cleo (i.e. Sonny and Cher in their very early days.) The Folksman = At first you assume The Kingston Trio when all along it was Peter, Paul and Mary. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2011, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-moments-from-otherwise-innocuous-tv-movies/606628/47 "2011-12-20T21:01:00Z")
I never thought of _The Godfather_ as particularly innocuous. Or _The Critic_, for that matter. ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2011, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-moments-from-otherwise-innocuous-tv-movies/606628/48 "2011-12-20T21:22:44Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Or _The Critic_, for that matter. Sorry, I was using the “otherwise unremarkable” definition of the word. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2011, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-moments-from-otherwise-innocuous-tv-movies/606628/49 "2011-12-20T21:34:34Z")
The succubus blowjob scene was completely in keeping with the tone of the movie, which was cynical and smart and had all sorts of sexual undertones going with it (Keymaster and Gate, anyone?) but what made it not work was the complete lack of a setup for it. I bet that setup is on the cutting room floor somewhere. They should probably have dumped the scene along with the setup. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2011, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-moments-from-otherwise-innocuous-tv-movies/606628/50 "2011-12-20T21:38:49Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > My contribution to the thread will be the early _7th Heaven_ episode in which 16-year-old, hot virgin Mary Camden, concerned about her skill as a kisser, asks her older brother to give her lessons – i.e., to make out with her. If it were a Joss Whedon or Seth McFarland show I might not have blinked, but this was the holiest show on network television. That was creepy. Though as I recall I don’t know that she wanted a heavy makeout session…just sort of a primer in where to put her arms/position her face. It was still incredibly weird, though… ---
**Author:** ![RandMcnally](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b782af/32.png) [@RandMcnally](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RandMcnally)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2011, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-moments-from-otherwise-innocuous-tv-movies/606628/51 "2011-12-20T21:54:32Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > There’s a scene in _Clerks_ where Dante and Randal are nitpicking the ending of _Return of the Jedi_ (found the dialog posted [here](http://www.whysanity.net/monos/clerks5.html)), well I have a nitpick with that scene in _Clerks_. > > Just as D and R are discussing the injustice in the killing of independent contractors when the second Death Star was destroyed, an actual contractor overhears them. He says that a smart contractor takes such risks into account, and tells them of a job that was too risky for him and that he passed along to a friend, who was then killed on that job. > > What the fuck, dude? That’s how you treat your friends, set them up to get caught in the crossfire of a mob hit? Asshole probably did it on purpose to get rid of the competition; there’s now one less roofer in town. > I take a certain bizarre and meta-level pleasure in deconstructing a Kevin Smith movie in the same way that he deconstructs so many others. I don’t think that makes the roofer an asshole. Like he said, the money wasn’t worth the risk to him. All he did was pass on the job information to his friend. It’s his friend’s fault that the money was worth the risk. Unfortunately for the friend, he ended up getting killed. ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2011, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-moments-from-otherwise-innocuous-tv-movies/606628/52 "2011-12-20T22:21:25Z")
> [@Justin\_Bailey](#): > > As stupid as that one was, if you go back and watch some of Serena’s episodes, there are hints all over the place that she’s a lesbian. > [@Justin\_Bailey](#): > > They’re not smack you in the face hints by any means, but she absolutely flies off the handle during a few gay rights episodes. And there was all the flirty banter with the medial examiner. > [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > There’s at least one rather direct reference to her being straight. > [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > Oh yeah, it’s far from conclusive. But if we’re looking for hints at Serena Southerlyn’s sexual orientation, it’s at least worth mentioning along with her reactions to gay rights cases. But the point is, there was never any story specifically dealing with Serena’s private life, nor was there any story that implied either Arthur or Jack McCoy (or the detectives or medical examiner or anyone else) knew or cared about Serena’s sexuality. In fact, I’d bet that pretty much the only reason anyone remembers Serena at all is that 30 second exchange at the very end of the last episode she ever appeared in. If she had asked, “Is this because I’m a bad actress?” and Arthur had said “Damn right!” it wouldn’t have been WTF at all. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2011, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-moments-from-otherwise-innocuous-tv-movies/606628/53 "2011-12-20T22:22:58Z")
> [@kunilou](#): > > But the point is, there was never any story specifically dealing with Serena’s private life, nor was there any story that implied either Arthur or Jack McCoy (or the detectives or medical examiner or anyone else) knew or cared about Serena’s sexuality. In fact, I’d bet that pretty much the only reason anyone remembers Serena at all is that 30 second exchange at the very end of the last episode she ever appeared in. > > If she had asked, “Is this because I’m a bad actress?” and Arthur had said “Damn right!” it wouldn’t have been WTF at all. No, because then they’d have been breaking the fourth wall, which L&O never did. ---
**Author:** ![Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e47c2d/32.png) [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffy_the_Elephant_Shrew)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2011, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-moments-from-otherwise-innocuous-tv-movies/606628/54 "2011-12-20T22:26:20Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > Mitch and Mickey = Caesar and Cleo (i.e. Sonny and Cher in their very early days.) I thought they were based on Ian and Sylvia. ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2011, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-moments-from-otherwise-innocuous-tv-movies/606628/55 "2011-12-20T22:40:09Z")
> [@Evil\_Captor](#): > > The succubus blowjob scene was completely in keeping with the tone of the movie, which was cynical and smart and had all sorts of sexual undertones going with it (Keymaster and Gate, anyone?) but what made it not work was the complete lack of a setup for it. I bet that setup is on the cutting room floor somewhere. They should probably have dumped the scene along with the setup. I remember hearing that the scene was going to get cut because it was OVERTLY sexual so the compromise was making it a dream sequence… which makes it even more jarring since a dream sequence seems out of place as well. ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2011, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-moments-from-otherwise-innocuous-tv-movies/606628/56 "2011-12-20T22:42:02Z")
> [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > I remember hearing that the scene was going to get cut because it was OVERTLY sexual so the compromise was making it a dream sequence… which makes it even more jarring since a dream sequence seems out of place as well. Am I the only one that doesn’t remember this scene at all? ---
**Author:** ![mlees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba8739/32.png) [@mlees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mlees)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2011, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-moments-from-otherwise-innocuous-tv-movies/606628/57 "2011-12-20T22:44:37Z")
> [@Justin\_Bailey](#): > > Am I the only one that doesn’t remember this scene at all? The guys are shown to be working lots of overtime, catching tons of ghosts. The team is sleeping in the firehouse, Akroyd rolls off his cot during the dream. Yes, you’re the only one. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2011, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-moments-from-otherwise-innocuous-tv-movies/606628/58 "2011-12-20T22:45:02Z")
> [@RandMcnally](#): > > I don’t think that makes the roofer an asshole. Like he said, the money wasn’t worth the risk to him. All he did was pass on the job information to his friend. It’s his friend’s fault that the money was worth the risk. Unfortunately for the friend, he ended up getting killed. “Hey man, you’ve had seven martinis. Give me your car keys.” “I’m okay to drive.” “Oh, okay then.” At best, the roofer was callous. Real friends are supposed to look out for each other. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2011, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-moments-from-otherwise-innocuous-tv-movies/606628/59 "2011-12-20T22:47:26Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > “Hey man, you’ve had seven martinis. Give me your car keys.” > “I’m okay to drive.” > “Oh, okay then.” > > At best, the roofer was callous. Real friends are supposed to look out for each other. I think the roofer’s callousness depends on exactly what he told his friend, and what his friend’s circumstances were. If he told his friend, “Hey, I know about a job that’ll pay really well, but I’m not willing to take it because it’s for a mobster and I think it’s too risky for my taste,” he’s not responsible for his friend’s poor judgment. If he didn’t mention the mobster thing, he’s a jackass. ---
**Author:** ![Prelude\_to\_Fascination](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a183cd/32.png) [@Prelude\_to\_Fascination](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prelude_to_Fascination)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2011, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-moments-from-otherwise-innocuous-tv-movies/606628/60 "2011-12-20T22:50:32Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > Yes and no. There were lots of great references in that movie that would mostly be funny only to folk fans. The fake album covers, for example, were beyond genius. Each of the three groups were loosely based on real acts. > > The large group = The New Christy Minstrels. > > Mitch and Mickey = Caesar and Cleo (i.e. Sonny and Cher in their very early days.) > > The Folksman = At first you assume The Kingston Trio when all along it was Peter, Paul and Mary. Well, prairie dog shit. Assuming you’re right (and I’m not accusing you of being wrong), then I’ve missed the clues all the times I’ve watched the film. I was never all _that_ big a folkie, but thought I was familiar enough with the genre to get the inside stuff in a relatively major movie. Thanks for clearing it up for me. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-moments-from-otherwise-innocuous-tv-movies/606628.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-moments-from-otherwise-innocuous-tv-movies/606628.md?page=4)