# WTF? No Cecil? No Dan Savage? Is the Reader losing its mind? **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [May 24, 2013, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-no-cecil-no-dan-savage-is-the-reader-losing-its-mind/659262 "2013-05-24T20:54:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![CC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f1d935/32.png) [@CC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CC)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2013, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-no-cecil-no-dan-savage-is-the-reader-losing-its-mind/659262/21 "2013-05-26T18:30:17Z")
> [@Ed\_Zotti](#): > > I’m not sure what to tell you. Either I had an unusually vivid hallucination, or I had a copy of the printed paper for 5/23 in my hands yesterday that had TSD and Savage Love in their usual locations. Unfortunately, I left the paper on the train and cannot confirm this now. Are you sure you were reading the 5/23 edition? It’s the one with Storycorps on the cover. Clearly, you have connections to the Reader that the rest of us do not. Is there no way for you to determine what happened? If the paper is publishing now on the proverbial shoestring, how would they have been able to put out two versions of the paper? What should we think? How do we fight ignorance when the source of our knowledge is flummoxed? What’s next - Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together… mass hysteria? ---
**Author:** ![moriah](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b2d939/32.png) [@moriah](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/moriah)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2013, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-no-cecil-no-dan-savage-is-the-reader-losing-its-mind/659262/22 "2013-05-26T18:55:06Z")
TCR’s online site lists an article by Dan Savage, but not by Cecil/TSD. See: [Vol. 42 No. 35 Archives - Chicago Reader](http://www.chicagoreader.com/chicago/IssueArchives?issue=9685302) ---
**Author:** ![TubaDiva](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tubadiva/32/507_2.png) [@TubaDiva](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TubaDiva)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2013, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-no-cecil-no-dan-savage-is-the-reader-losing-its-mind/659262/23 "2013-05-26T20:09:30Z")
> [@moriah](#): > > TCR’s online site lists an article by Dan Savage, but not by Cecil/TSD. > > See: [http://www.chicagoreader.com/chicago/IssueArchives?issue=9685302](http://www.chicagoreader.com/chicago/IssueArchives?issue=9685302) I don’t know that TSD is ever listed in the contents for a particular week; it’s a permanent link on the page. See “Straight Dope” hyperlink between “Summer Guide” and “Savage Love.” ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Panda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ee7513/32.png) [@Darth\_Panda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Panda)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2013, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-no-cecil-no-dan-savage-is-the-reader-losing-its-mind/659262/24 "2013-05-26T20:18:46Z")
> [@TubaDiva](#): > > I don’t know that TSD is ever listed in the contents for a particular week; it’s a permanent link on the page. See “Straight Dope” hyperlink between “Summer Guide” and “Savage Love.” You should mix up the columns every now and then: Savage Dope Summer Love Straight Guide (ok, that doesn’t really need a handbook) ---
**Author:** ![Cartooniverse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cartooniverse/32/3084_2.png) [@Cartooniverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cartooniverse)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2013, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-no-cecil-no-dan-savage-is-the-reader-losing-its-mind/659262/25 "2013-05-27T02:14:10Z")
> [@Ed\_Zotti](#): > > I’m not sure what to tell you. Either I had an unusually vivid hallucination, or I had a copy of the printed paper for 5/23 in my hands yesterday that had TSD and Savage Love in their usual locations. Unfortunately, I left the paper on the train and cannot confirm this now. With all due respect to you,our Gormless Weenie, it would appear to the long-time reader that you’ve been enjoying- and sharing- some of your more vivid hallucinations since the early 1970’s. I’m just sayin’. Maybe you’re so used to seeing the SD column that your mind kind of inserted the column _into_ a copy of The Reader that in fact did not feature it… ---
**Author:** ![CC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f1d935/32.png) [@CC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CC)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2013, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-no-cecil-no-dan-savage-is-the-reader-losing-its-mind/659262/26 "2013-05-29T16:37:19Z")
So - it’s no longer the weekend. What’s the verdict? What happened? What will be happening? Why did little Ed claim to see the columns that were absent from the edition I saw? Did some versions of the paper come out without those columns and without reference to them in the Table of Contents? Or did something else happen? How is this to be explained? And what about Naomi? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2013, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-no-cecil-no-dan-savage-is-the-reader-losing-its-mind/659262/27 "2013-05-29T16:39:16Z")
The verdict is that you probably missed it by accident or perhaps a page was missing from your paper. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2013, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-no-cecil-no-dan-savage-is-the-reader-losing-its-mind/659262/28 "2013-05-29T16:58:34Z")
Oh no they got Marley too. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Cartooniverse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cartooniverse/32/3084_2.png) [@Cartooniverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cartooniverse)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2013, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-no-cecil-no-dan-savage-is-the-reader-losing-its-mind/659262/29 "2013-05-29T17:25:42Z")
—Lowers head— Poor, poor Marley… ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2013, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-no-cecil-no-dan-savage-is-the-reader-losing-its-mind/659262/30 "2013-05-29T17:33:20Z")
> [@CC](#): > > Or did something else happen? How is this to be explained? Turn around quick and see if Rod Serling might be lurking in the background! ---
**Author:** ![Cartooniverse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cartooniverse/32/3084_2.png) [@Cartooniverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cartooniverse)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2013, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-no-cecil-no-dan-savage-is-the-reader-losing-its-mind/659262/31 "2013-05-29T17:51:04Z")
I’d know [Rod Serling](http://www.ipass.net/whitetho/edcecil.jpg) anywhere !!! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![TubaDiva](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tubadiva/32/507_2.png) [@TubaDiva](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TubaDiva)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2013, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-no-cecil-no-dan-savage-is-the-reader-losing-its-mind/659262/32 "2013-05-29T18:05:14Z")
Do not attempt to adjust your set. ---
**Author:** ![Zyanthia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Zyanthia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zyanthia)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2013, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-no-cecil-no-dan-savage-is-the-reader-losing-its-mind/659262/33 "2013-05-29T19:20:04Z")
> [@TubaDiva](#): > > Do not attempt to adjust your set. Hmm, I attempted to adjust my set. Do I need to report myself for violating moderator instructions? ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2013, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-no-cecil-no-dan-savage-is-the-reader-losing-its-mind/659262/34 "2013-05-29T19:39:53Z")
> [@Zyanthia](#): > > Hmm, I attempted to adjust my set. Did you see Cecil? ---
**Author:** ![CC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f1d935/32.png) [@CC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CC)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2013, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-no-cecil-no-dan-savage-is-the-reader-losing-its-mind/659262/35 "2013-05-29T20:49:37Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > The verdict is that you probably missed it by accident or perhaps a page was missing from your paper. The self-imposed sentence for that verdict is to (sheepishly, I promise) admit that on further review, I somehow did miss seeing the page where they appeared. My initial tantrum having run its course, I now have to deal with the feeling of complete idiocy. ---
**Author:** ![Cartooniverse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cartooniverse/32/3084_2.png) [@Cartooniverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cartooniverse)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2013, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-no-cecil-no-dan-savage-is-the-reader-losing-its-mind/659262/36 "2013-05-29T21:48:54Z")
Hey, the banner says "Fighting Ignorance Since 1973 "= and just on the 40th anniversary, yours has been fought successfully !!! ---
**Author:** ![jnglmassiv](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f07891/32.png) [@jnglmassiv](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jnglmassiv)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2013, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-no-cecil-no-dan-savage-is-the-reader-losing-its-mind/659262/37 "2013-05-30T02:41:22Z")
I have this issue and SD & SL are on pages 16 & 17. The columns are not, however, listed in the Contents page. ---
**Author:** ![Zyanthia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Zyanthia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zyanthia)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2013, 12:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-no-cecil-no-dan-savage-is-the-reader-losing-its-mind/659262/38 "2013-05-30T12:06:59Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Did you see Cecil? I don’t think I’m worthy, all I saw was a panorama of vivid and swirling colors that tasted funny. ---
**Author:** ![drewtwo99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d07c76/32.png) [@drewtwo99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drewtwo99)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2013, 12:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-no-cecil-no-dan-savage-is-the-reader-losing-its-mind/659262/39 "2013-05-30T12:19:44Z")
Oh no. They got CC and all the rest of you too ☹ [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-no-cecil-no-dan-savage-is-the-reader-losing-its-mind/659262.md?page=1)