# WTF? (Obama's speech on violence in the Mideast) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 25, 2012, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-obamas-speech-on-violence-in-the-mideast/635795 "2012-09-25T16:59:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![newcomer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/e5b9ba/32.png) [@newcomer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newcomer)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2012, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-obamas-speech-on-violence-in-the-mideast/635795/1 "2012-09-25T16:59:28Z")
[http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/no-video-justifies-an-attack-on-an-embassy-obama-tells-un/article4566506/](http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/no-video-justifies-an-attack-on-an-embassy-obama-tells-un/article4566506/) How come nobody told Obama that video has nothing to do with planned attack on embassy? And he gets to repeat and confirm stupid lie at the UN podium. WTF!? ---
**Author:** ![BubbaDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bubbadog/32/333_2.png) [@BubbaDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BubbaDog)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2012, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-obamas-speech-on-violence-in-the-mideast/635795/2 "2012-09-25T17:22:11Z")
I forgot to mention it to him. Sorry. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2012, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-obamas-speech-on-violence-in-the-mideast/635795/3 "2012-09-25T17:23:15Z")
_sigh_ [We’ve been over this before.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=665867) ---
**Author:** ![newcomer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/e5b9ba/32.png) [@newcomer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newcomer)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2012, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-obamas-speech-on-violence-in-the-mideast/635795/4 "2012-09-25T17:29:27Z")
> **[Consulate Attack Preplanned, Libya's President Says](https://www.npr.org/2012/09/16/161228170/consulate-attack-preplanned-libya-s-president-says)** > > In an exclusive interview with NPR in Benghazi, President Mohamed el-Megarif says foreigners infiltrated Libya over the past few months, planned the attack and used Libyans to carry it out. But U.S. officials say they have no evidence the attack was... ---
**Author:** ![lieu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c2a13f/32.png) [@lieu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lieu)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2012, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-obamas-speech-on-violence-in-the-mideast/635795/5 "2012-09-25T17:47:58Z")
Is he just referencing Libya? There were attacks on U.S. embassies in Yemen, Egypt, Sudan, Tunesia, etc. ---
**Author:** ![newcomer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/e5b9ba/32.png) [@newcomer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newcomer)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2012, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-obamas-speech-on-violence-in-the-mideast/635795/6 "2012-09-25T18:02:37Z")
> [@lieu](#): > > Is he just referencing Libya? There were attacks on U.S. embassies in Yemen, Egypt, Sudan, Tunesia, etc. Well, his speech is understandably mostly about attack in Libya that ended in deaths of Americans peppered with reference to the video. I haven’t noticed a distinction that Libyan attack was pre-planned so one will go away from that speech that it’s all bout video. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2012, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-obamas-speech-on-violence-in-the-mideast/635795/7 "2012-09-25T18:06:00Z")
I heard Obama used an _i_ before an _e_, but not after a _c_. Should we impeach him? ---
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2012, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-obamas-speech-on-violence-in-the-mideast/635795/8 "2012-09-25T18:08:53Z")
“The future must not belong to those who slander the Prophet of Islam”. This is far from the first time that I’ve felt ashamed of Obama. He sounded like a mullah. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2012, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-obamas-speech-on-violence-in-the-mideast/635795/9 "2012-09-25T18:30:02Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > “The future must not belong to those who slander the Prophet of Islam”. This is far from the first time that I’ve felt ashamed of Obama. He sounded like a mullah. Not surprising that you’d cherry pick a single quote out of context. Here’s the entire paragraph: > [@](#): > > “The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam. Yet to be credible, those who condemn that slander must also condemn the hate we see when the image of Jesus Christ is desecrated, churches are destroyed, or the Holocaust is denied,” Obama said. “Let us condemn incitement against Sufi Muslims, and Shiite pilgrims. It is time to heed the words of Gandhi: ‘Intolerance is itself a form of violence and an obstacle to the growth of a true democratic spirit.’” So he’s saying “Hey, these people that slander Muhammed are jerks, but if you’re gonna get pissed off about people slamming him, why aren’t you also getting upset when people shit on the Christians and Jews.” He’s calling out hypocritical Muslim leaders. What about that makes you ashamed? ---
**Author:** ![newcomer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/e5b9ba/32.png) [@newcomer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newcomer)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2012, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-obamas-speech-on-violence-in-the-mideast/635795/10 "2012-09-25T18:30:50Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > I heard Obama used an _i_ before an _e_, but not after a _c_. Should we impeach him? He is due for that re: drones but I guess if you base your POTUS preference on idolatry then this is probably useless dicussion to you. ---
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2012, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-obamas-speech-on-violence-in-the-mideast/635795/11 "2012-09-25T19:28:15Z")
> [@Bob Ducca](#): > > Not surprising that you’d cherry pick a single quote out of context. Here’s the entire paragraph: > > So he’s saying “Hey, these people that slander Muhammed are jerks, but if you’re gonna get pissed off about people slamming him, why aren’t you also getting upset when people shit on the Christians and Jews.” > > He’s calling out hypocritical Muslim leaders. What about that makes you ashamed? Because slandering Mohammad or Jesus is a perfectly legitimate and proper thing to do. The followers of these old frauds have tortured, persecuted, burned and murdered their way round the globe for centuries and the sooner these ‘prophets’ become historical curiosities the better. If the future really does belong to the Prophet of Islam rather than his ‘slanderers’ then we’re all in fucking trouble. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2012, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-obamas-speech-on-violence-in-the-mideast/635795/12 "2012-09-25T19:34:09Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > Because slandering Mohammad or Jesus is a perfectly legitimate and proper thing to do. The followers of these old frauds have tortured, persecuted, burned and murdered their way round the globe for centuries and the sooner these ‘prophets’ become historical curiosities the better. If the future really does belong to the Prophet of Islam rather than his ‘slanderers’ then we’re all in fucking trouble. You must have done really poorly on the “Reading for Comprehension” portion of the SAT. Obama’s statement was about being against hypocrisy and hate in any form, which - believe it or not - is a good thing for someone to be against. You sound like a Mullah. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2012, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-obamas-speech-on-violence-in-the-mideast/635795/13 "2012-09-25T20:44:08Z")
> [@newcomer](#): > > He is due for that re: drones but I guess if you base your POTUS preference on idolatry then this is probably useless dicussion to you. Clearly you operate from the theocratic stand, not I. You belong to the Republican Religion which must find something wrong in any word or deed by it’s opponents and their leader the Anti-Christ Obama. I thought the idea of Romney painting himself brown to appeal to Latinos was as stoopit as your line of reasoning here. If you or your ilk had any new ideas they wouldn’t be getting trounced by an incumbent with a lousy record on the economy. Go back to your church and pray some more, because your efforts to evangelize are reducing your flock. ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2012, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-obamas-speech-on-violence-in-the-mideast/635795/14 "2012-09-25T21:36:07Z")
Obama went on to say this: > [@](#): > > I know there are some who ask why we don’t just ban such a video. The answer is enshrined in our laws: our Constitution protects the right to practice free speech. Here in the United States, countless publications provoke offense. Like me, the majority of Americans are Christian, and yet we do not ban blasphemy against our most sacred beliefs. Moreover, as President of our country, and Commander-in-Chief of our military, I accept that people are going to call me awful things every day, and I will always defend their right to do so. Americans have fought and died around the globe to protect the right of all people to express their views – even views that we disagree with. > > We do so not because we support hateful speech, but because our Founders understood that without such protections, the capacity of each individual to express their own views, and practice their own faith, may be threatened. We do so because in a diverse society, efforts to restrict speech can become a tool to silence critics, or oppress minorities. We do so because given the power of faith in our lives, and the passion that religious differences can inflame, the strongest weapon against hateful speech is not repression, it is more speech – the voices of tolerance that rally against bigotry and blasphemy, and lift up the values of understanding and mutual respect. I’m glad he’s our president. Full transcript w/ video: [http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2012/09/25/full-text-of-obamas-remarks-to-united-nations/](http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2012/09/25/full-text-of-obamas-remarks-to-united-nations/) ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2012, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-obamas-speech-on-violence-in-the-mideast/635795/15 "2012-09-25T22:38:58Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > Because slandering Mohammad or Jesus is a perfectly legitimate and proper thing to do. The followers of these old frauds have tortured, persecuted, burned and murdered their way round the globe for centuries and the sooner these ‘prophets’ become historical curiosities the better. If the future really does belong to the Prophet of Islam rather than his ‘slanderers’ then we’re all in fucking trouble. I’m sure a search of the board would show that you were among those denouncing Bush for regularly invoking Jesus and declaring a national day of mourning for Jerry Falwell, right? ---
**Author:** ![Carmady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f04885/32.png) [@Carmady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carmady)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2012, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-obamas-speech-on-violence-in-the-mideast/635795/16 "2012-09-25T22:49:44Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > “The future must not belong to those who slander the Prophet of Islam”. This is far from the first time that I’ve felt ashamed of Obama. He sounded like a mullah. Well, he is technically correct. He just doesn’t say what “slander” would consist of. Maybe Obama would be fine with calling Mohammed a pedophile warmonger, but is absolutely opposed to calling him a Nazi. ---
**Author:** ![Ca3799](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9f8e36/32.png) [@Ca3799](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ca3799)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2012, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-obamas-speech-on-violence-in-the-mideast/635795/17 "2012-09-25T22:59:00Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > “The future must not belong to those who slander the Prophet of Islam”. This is far from the first time that I’ve felt ashamed of Obama. He sounded like a mullah. To be fair to **aldiboronti** , this sentence is about the only thing Rush Limbaugh talked about regarding Obama’s UN speech today, so **aldiboronti** probably didn’t know there was a whole speech made. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2012, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-obamas-speech-on-violence-in-the-mideast/635795/18 "2012-09-26T02:03:36Z")
[Moderating] I’ve edited the title of this thread to reflect its subject matter. **newcomer** , in the future, please try to use more descriptive titles for your threads, so people can have some idea what they’re about before they click on them. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2012, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-obamas-speech-on-violence-in-the-mideast/635795/19 "2012-09-26T02:04:47Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > “The future must not belong to those who slander the Prophet of Islam”. This is far from the first time that I’ve felt ashamed of Obama. He sounded like a mullah. > [@aldiboronti](#): > > Because slandering Mohammad or Jesus is a perfectly legitimate and proper thing to do. By this standard, you must be ashamed of every single American president, ever. Is that the case? ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2012, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-obamas-speech-on-violence-in-the-mideast/635795/20 "2012-09-26T03:01:41Z")
Spend the day at the beach Aldi and Newcomer? Sure is a lot of sand in your vaginas. Try not to scoot while sitting directly on the sand. \<3 [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-obamas-speech-on-violence-in-the-mideast/635795.md?page=2)