# WTF? Pay Up or We Let Your House Burn Down? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 6, 2010, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-pay-up-or-we-let-your-house-burn-down/556210 "2010-10-06T03:08:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 40
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2010, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-pay-up-or-we-let-your-house-burn-down/556210/781 "2010-10-29T04:35:06Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > What is 11 died? One less soccer team. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2010, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-pay-up-or-we-let-your-house-burn-down/556210/782 "2010-10-29T04:56:51Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > … I mean those mobile homes are really tough to put out. You have to climb ladders over 2 feet high. You can touch the top of it if you are a good jumper. You can sit back and squirt water on it until you get bored. … Can’t be bothered to even try to do something about your ignorance, can you? From \*\*The King of Soup’\*\*s [cite](http://www.fireengineering.com/index/articles/display/146077/articles/fire-engineering/volume-155/issue-5/features/the-dangers-of-mobile-home-fires.html), > [@](#): > > … The eighth edition of Fire in the United States, published by the U.S. Fire Administration, said this concerning mobile homes: > > \*Mobile homes are a special category of one- and two-family dwellings. While only a small fraction of the U.S. population lives in mobile homes, they have had a severe problem in terms of fire fatalities in the past-double the fatality rate per fire compared to other homes. \*… > … The frame {of a mobile home} is constructed of lightweight steel framing. When heated, lightweight steel framing can warp and bend, causing a catastrophic collapse. … > … The effects on the lightweight frame of a mobile home can be much more devastating in a much shorter period of time. The floor is often wood covered with tile or carpeting. The wood flooring may have been constructed of wood chips, a far cheaper process. During a fire, these boards can disintegrate from the heat conditions, causing dangerous openings in the floor. The unsuspecting firefighter could fall to the ground or may become hung up in the structure’s frame, unable to maneuver himself out of harm’s way. … > … The personal protective equipment, including SCBA, takes a lot of maneuvering room in the largest of structures. The mobile home exacerbates this already difficult situation. Firefighters can become trapped in between doorframes and walls. If the fire is in a one-egress home, the actions firefighters can perform are severely limited. … Do you understand what “double the fatality rate” means you fucking troll. :mad: CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2010, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-pay-up-or-we-let-your-house-burn-down/556210/783 "2010-10-29T04:59:31Z")
Here, now. **gonzo** isn’t a troll. He’s too stupid to be one. ---
**Author:** ![Jeff\_Lichtman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jeff_lichtman/32/1531_2.png) [@Jeff\_Lichtman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jeff_Lichtman)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2010, 7:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-pay-up-or-we-let-your-house-burn-down/556210/784 "2010-10-29T07:57:54Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > [Firefighter Nation: Fire Rescue - Firefighting News and Community](http://www.firefighternation.com/forum/topics/iaff-condemns-tennessee-house) IAFF an association of 300, 000 fire fighters is lashing out at the Obion firemen who stood and watched the home burn. From the article you just referenced: > [@](#): > > The IAFF statement reads, in part, “We condemn South Fulton’s ill-advised, unsafe policy. Professional, career fire fighters shouldn’t be forced to check a list before running out the door to see which homeowners have paid up. They get in their trucks and go.” > > The statement also reads, “Because of South Fulton’s pay-to-play policy, fire fighters were ordered to stand and watch a family lose its home.” In other words, the IAFF did not lash out at the firefighters - they criticized the subscription policy that put the firefighters in the position of having to watch a home burn down. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2010, 8:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-pay-up-or-we-let-your-house-burn-down/556210/785 "2010-10-29T08:20:54Z")
**Jeff** : [Scroll up a tad.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13078634&postcount=779)🙂 ---
**Author:** ![CannyDan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cannydan/32/548_2.png) [@CannyDan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CannyDan)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2010, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-pay-up-or-we-let-your-house-burn-down/556210/786 "2010-10-29T13:34:17Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > … I have never heard of a fireman dying in a mobile home fire. Christ you people are pulling shit out of your asses and presenting them as pearls… > [@St.Urho](#): > > [Now you have.](http://www.firerescue1.com/fire-attack/articles/455271-2-W-Va-firefighters-killed-fighting-mobile-home-fire/) Damn! I’m impressed. Thirty one minutes. **gonzo** , you aren’t usually this stupid. Has someone stolen your identity? Was it Cranick? Did he get to you, force you to type all these ridiculous things? C’mon, you don’t have to be afraid, and you don’t have to say anything. Raise your right eyebrow as a signal, then we’ll know and send help. We’ll send the Obion County fire department. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2010, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-pay-up-or-we-let-your-house-burn-down/556210/787 "2010-10-29T14:04:34Z")
> [@emacknight](#): > > And while you’re at it, blame the fire fighters for just standing around with their dick in their hands while you got flamed. See the way I did that? I’m covered by the NYC FD. My taxes pay for it. Someone’s getting sued because they stood around masturbating while I got flamed! ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2010, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-pay-up-or-we-let-your-house-burn-down/556210/788 "2010-10-29T15:00:39Z")
> [@emacknight](#): > > 16 fucking pages and we’re still telling people to think beyond, “uh duh the fire fighters should have done something.” Nitpick: I believe you meant “herp derp” there. > [@Monty](#): > > Seriously, **gonzo** ; what the heck happened to your reading and comprehension skills? A firefighter raped his dad and murdered his mom. _For science._ ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2010, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-pay-up-or-we-let-your-house-burn-down/556210/789 "2010-10-29T16:35:12Z")
[http://www.fireengineering.com/index/articles/display.articles.fire-engineering.volume-155.issue-5.features.the-dangers-of-mobile-home-fires.html](http://www.fireengineering.com/index/articles/display.articles.fire-engineering.volume-155.issue-5.features.the-dangers-of-mobile-home-fires.html) Ok they are smaller and made of inflammable substances and go up easy. But they did not have to go in. So it can happen. therefore they should never put out mobile home fires. Too dangerous. Same site says they are dangerous because of close quarters when firemen go inside to save someone. They did not have to go inside to save anyone. They could have opened the door to let the dogs out. But the people were standing outside when they got there. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2010, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-pay-up-or-we-let-your-house-burn-down/556210/790 "2010-10-29T16:43:55Z")
[http://www.firehouse.com/topic/strategy-and-tactics/workshop-home-fires-most-dangerous-firefight-you-will-face](http://www.firehouse.com/topic/strategy-and-tactics/workshop-home-fires-most-dangerous-firefight-you-will-face) Most dangerous home fires is "starter castles’. The McMansions of the suburbs. ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2010, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-pay-up-or-we-let-your-house-burn-down/556210/791 "2010-10-29T16:48:47Z")
[http://stephaniegayle.com/images/Sidebox-Kitten-Thinks-R.jpg](http://stephaniegayle.com/images/Sidebox-Kitten-Thinks-R.jpg) This kitten looks exactly like the one that burned up in the fire. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![PunditLisa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/4af34b/32.png) [@PunditLisa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PunditLisa)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2010, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-pay-up-or-we-let-your-house-burn-down/556210/792 "2010-10-29T16:49:54Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > Same site says they are dangerous because of close quarters when firemen go inside to save someone. They could have opened the door to let the dogs out. But the people were standing outside when they got there. Are you telling me that the bystanders were so stupid that they needed firemen to show them how to open a door? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2010, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-pay-up-or-we-let-your-house-burn-down/556210/793 "2010-10-29T16:50:53Z")
**PunditLisa** beat me to it. ---
**Author:** ![Garfield226](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Garfield226](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Garfield226)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2010, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-pay-up-or-we-let-your-house-burn-down/556210/794 "2010-10-29T16:52:46Z")
> [@PunditLisa](#): > > Are you telling me that the bystanders were so stupid that they needed firemen to show them how to open a door? Maybe they were gonzo’s relatives. It would explain that, as well as his irrationality and obtuseness regarding the situation. ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2010, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-pay-up-or-we-let-your-house-burn-down/556210/795 "2010-10-29T16:53:24Z")
[![](https://www.eastwoodzhao.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/golden-retriever-puppies.jpg) ](https://www.eastwoodzhao.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/golden-retriever-puppies.jpg) All these puppies were killed because the firemen refused to even open a door. All over $75. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2010, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-pay-up-or-we-let-your-house-burn-down/556210/796 "2010-10-29T16:58:44Z")
[http://www.freewebs.com/olddixierabbitry/BabyBunny301.jpg](http://www.freewebs.com/olddixierabbitry/BabyBunny301.jpg) This bunny hopped by and one of the firemen threw it in the fire. All over $75. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2010, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-pay-up-or-we-let-your-house-burn-down/556210/797 "2010-10-29T17:38:10Z")
The firemen are in danger when they have to go in and rescue somebody in a closed in condition of a trailer. Cranick, his wife and his grandson were outside enjoying the fire like you guys. The firemen did not have to enter, therefore it was not a dangerous burn for them. The firemen wanted to save the home. The IAFF representing 300,000 firefighters say it was wrong to allow the home to burn when they could have helped. But your cold black hearts got too much enjoyment from the suffering of a guy who obviously is not as good a citizen as you are. It was a sad day for firemen. A great day for many of you. ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2010, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-pay-up-or-we-let-your-house-burn-down/556210/798 "2010-10-29T18:32:06Z")
That poor bunny. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![pbbth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f9ae1b/32.png) [@pbbth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pbbth)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2010, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-pay-up-or-we-let-your-house-burn-down/556210/799 "2010-10-29T19:09:33Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > The IAFF representing 300,000 firefighters say it was wrong to allow the home to burn when they could have helped. But your cold black hearts got too much enjoyment from the suffering of a guy who obviously is not as good a citizen as you are. > It was a sad day for firemen. A great day for many of you. No, they didn’t. > [@Jeff\_Lichtman](#): > > From the article you just referenced: > > \*The IAFF statement reads, in part, “We condemn South Fulton’s ill-advised, unsafe policy. Professional, career fire fighters shouldn’t be forced to check a list before running out the door to see which homeowners have paid up. They get in their trucks and go.” > > The statement also reads, “Because of South Fulton’s pay-to-play policy, fire fighters were ordered to stand and watch a family lose its home.” \* > > In other words, the IAFF did not lash out at the firefighters - they criticized the subscription policy that put the firefighters in the position of having to watch a home burn down. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2010, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-pay-up-or-we-let-your-house-burn-down/556210/800 "2010-10-29T19:18:27Z")
ITT: \*\*gonzo \*\*posts cites that prove the exact opposite of what he’s trying to claim and ignores all other evidence and logical argument that he’s completely fucking wrong. What a shock. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-pay-up-or-we-let-your-house-burn-down/556210.md?page=39) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-pay-up-or-we-let-your-house-burn-down/556210.md?page=41)