# WTF tomndebb **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [May 29, 2011, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-tomndebb/583711 "2011-05-29T23:50:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 5
**Author:** ![Farmer\_Jane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Farmer\_Jane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Farmer_Jane)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2011, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-tomndebb/583711/5 "2011-05-30T00:46:15Z")
I definitely got exasperated, but I didn’t violate any rules ( I don’t think? ) as I didn’t feel it was fair to cry _oh for shame_ on an Israeli for making legitimate points about history…considering Elvis’s continuing posts on how Israelis absolutely don’t want peace (and apparently, I don’t either?) I was fed up. How many times has Allesan been asked (and not sincerely) for a solution? wtf? I honestly don’t think I violated a rule, and if I had, Tom would have called me out on it. He’s pretty good at that. 😃 I also thought _threadshitting_ is when you derail a topic, but that thread is full of, “Israelis steal land/commit genocide/commit war crimes/are imperialist racists/etc.”, soooo…I’m pretty sure my response was weak. > [@If not the Green Line, then what line should be the Israel-Palestine border?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-not-the-green-line-then-what-line-should-be-the-israel-palestine-border/582805/20): > > I’d rather see Palestine expel some illegal immigrants,. > [@If not the Green Line, then what line should be the Israel-Palestine border?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-not-the-green-line-then-what-line-should-be-the-israel-palestine-border/582805/21): > > The settlers are criminals. Why should they be defended? > [@If not the Green Line, then what line should be the Israel-Palestine border?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-not-the-green-line-then-what-line-should-be-the-israel-palestine-border/582805/60): > > And let’s face it, Hamas, peace be upon them > [@If not the Green Line, then what line should be the Israel-Palestine border?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-not-the-green-line-then-what-line-should-be-the-israel-palestine-border/582805/79): > > Peace is a complete fantasy. The only thing the current Israeli government is interested in is doing absolutely nothing. They intend to keep taking the territory they feel is rightfully theirs and no real percentage of Americans or Israelis will ever voice an argument against it. The only peace agreement the Palestinians can get is to be completely subjugated, to let themselves be entirely ruled over by the whims of the Israeli government, and to allow this under the false notion of two states. > [@If not the Green Line, then what line should be the Israel-Palestine border?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-not-the-green-line-then-what-line-should-be-the-israel-palestine-border/582805/106): > > The discussion shows the need for clarity and codification. The proper role of the UN is to keep a register of ethnicities and nationalities, who owing to incurable moral defects, cannot be expected to meet minimum standards of decency. By a fair summary of this discussion the Israelis are in. > > How was **Redfury** to know Israel is viewed on par with the brute quadrupeds; dogs, sheep and swine? We need a register and a link to it. > [@If not the Green Line, then what line should be the Israel-Palestine border?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-not-the-green-line-then-what-line-should-be-the-israel-palestine-border/582805/111): > > And that attitude of exceptionalism is yet another obstacle to peace, isn’t it? Along with trapping oneself in a carefully-massaged view of the past, refusing to consider the possibility that the world today does not reflect that comfortingly repeated self-image if it ever did, that nobody has anything worthwhile to say to you that you do not already believe, that nobody else’s experiences have any applicability to yours … > > IOW, get over yourselves already. Be part of the solution. > [@If not the Green Line, then what line should be the Israel-Palestine border?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-not-the-green-line-then-what-line-should-be-the-israel-palestine-border/582805/113): > > It is a fair summary of the discussion: To wit we cannot hold Israelis to the same standard as normal, civilized people. That being their conviction they should have the courage to say so. > [@If not the Green Line, then what line should be the Israel-Palestine border?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-not-the-green-line-then-what-line-should-be-the-israel-palestine-border/582805/149): > > Since the Israeli politics place so much weight onto their perceived divine claim of belonging on someone else’s land, the only right thing to do is carve out a space in the Sahara Desert in Africa and call it Israel. > > I don’t think anyone would disagree with the validity of my proposition. Not on religious grounds, at least. > [@If not the Green Line, then what line should be the Israel-Palestine border?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-not-the-green-line-then-what-line-should-be-the-israel-palestine-border/582805/154): > > OK, let’s start with the genocide and the land grab of the past 60 years… no matter who was in charge. > > A claim of a divine right of other people’s land is a criminal offense. > [@If not the Green Line, then what line should be the Israel-Palestine border?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-not-the-green-line-then-what-line-should-be-the-israel-palestine-border/582805/161): > > So, it would be genocide if only someone would accuse France of genocide too? > > Israel is an imposed political entity based on a religious belief that other people’s land belongs to a group of people that happened to be born from a specific female’s genital pathway. > > The rest is just religious intolerance, hate and mental disorder. > [@If not the Green Line, then what line should be the Israel-Palestine border?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-not-the-green-line-then-what-line-should-be-the-israel-palestine-border/582805/164): > > Probably must have meant ethnic cleansing. BTW, France got a lot of heat during the Algerian war precisely because of its actions. > But I guess France should have followed the path suggested here by other posters and tell the world to go fuck itself with its moral reprimands. plus the [antisemitism](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=608604) and the [67 thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=609155). When people are hellbent on blaming Israel for everything, I do wonder what that’s all about. Zombie has to make a deal about something I do every other day. I guess if there’s a whole ATMB thread about my response in the thread, I did something right. --- _[View the full topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-tomndebb/583711)._